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John Holbrook was the brother of Thomas Holbrook According to Andersen in the Great Migration Series, Thomas Holbrook did have a brother John "whose fate is unknown in 1625 [when his father's will referred to him as "John, if living"]. [Joseph Neal Anc 128] The absurd claim has been made that he was already in New England by 1626, and was the father of every stray Holbrook male who later appeared in New England. [M&JCH 17:89]. There was no John Holbrook in Dorchester in 1635 and this entire proposed family did not exist."[1]
According to The Holbrook Family of Derby, Connecticut, John Holbrook was born about 1587, calculated. He had sons, Thomas, John, Daniel, Samuel, Nathaniel, Richard and daughter Mary.[2]
It looks like some of the facts that have been applied to John, probably relate to John Holbrook (abt.1618-1699), son of Thomas: lived in Weymouth, married Sarah, son Samuel, made free in 1640.
Notes on reported children: Three of the supposed children, Richard, Thomas and Margaret, may have some connection, and their existence is supported by actual records.
The remaining children were possibly confused with children of Thomas's son John, but there is no actual record of them in New England could be found.
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https://archive.org/details/vintonmemorialco00vint/page/331/mode/1up
Starts with Thomas Holbrook and his wife Jane. Mentions son John b. about 1617. This John had 3 wives Sarah ___, Elizabeth ___ and widow Mary Loring. Names of this John's Children are JOHN who married Abigail Pierce, a DAUGHTER who m. Simon Whitmarsh, ABIEZER prob. unm., HANNAH m. Ephraim Pierce, GRACE m. Joseph Nash, SAMUEL b. perhaps abt. 1654 married twice, LOIS, twin to Samuel, prob d. young, EUNICE m. Benjamin Ludden, EXPEIENCE, b. 5-23-1661, m Joseph Edson., ICHABOD, b. May 20, 1662, m. Sarah Turner.
Thanks for adding sources !
As I read it, the Vinton Memorial doesn't follow this John's line through his children, and that John m Abigail Pierce etc are descendants of his supposed nephew John Holbrook, so of Thomas. With the repeated names, its easy to get confused.
Some of these books do have some good documentation. But like a lot of early genealogies, there can be a mix of good, sourced information, and some speculation or carryover from earlier unsourced publications. As you may have seen in the Research Notes, there is a question about this family, and from the comment Anderson made, I'm not even sure what kind of record there is of John and wife Sarah. (I haven't dug into it myself). But a search for vital records, deeds, wills, etc for John, his reported wives and the children would be really helpful to see which relationships can actually be documented.
Some of the Holbrooks intersect with some of my lines, so I have some interest in the accuracy, but it just hasn't made it to the top of my list to do a deep dive.
Yes, the books are unreliable, that's why you need to go to the original records. It looks like there may be a separate cluster of Holbrooks in Dorchester. That would be a good place to start seeing what records on Holbrooks you could find.
https://archive.org/details/holbrookalliedfa00lord/page/8/mode/1up
Mentions Children Of John Holbrook and Sarah ____.
1. Richard b. abt. 1617.
2. William, born in England abt. 1620. Freeman 1648 Mass. Bay Colony. Dismissed from Dorchester churck and joined First Church of Milford. Died Milford Conn. June 27, 1670.
3. Daniel, b.abt.1623.
4. Thomas b. abt 1627. 3 wives. Died 1705.
5. Margaret b. abt. 1630 m. N. Rockwood.
6. Nathaniel probably died young. 'Could be Grandson?'
edited by Katherine Cappon
Mentions Richards siblings as Thomas, b. about 1627, John, Daniel, Samuel, Nathaniel and Mary. Then the book continues on with Richard's wife Agnes and their children.
edited by Katherine Cappon
John bp. Glastonbury, April, 1618 married Sarah by 1643, then she died and he remarried.
Thomas Holbrook: GMIII: p. 352 https://www.americanancestors.org/DB116/i/7118/352/22097181
Am I correct to assume all the profile managers will get notified?
edited by George Fulton
Edit to add: It looks like only children Richard, Thomas, and Margaret have sources supporting their existence. Nathaniel, Mary and Samuel seem to only have dates saying they were born in Weymouth with no sources.
edited by M Cole
Unfortunately dad's FTM tree is not well sourced and I hesitate to add detail to profiles until I can confirm with sources. I fear a lot of my father's sources are in 8 boxes of papers I have in the garage.
There are two marriage index records for John and Sarah (Loring) that have conflicting information: https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=7836&h=588050&indiv=try and https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=7836&h=588050&indiv=try.