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Warham Horsmanden (bef. 1628 - 1691)

Col. Warham Horsmanden aka Horsemanden
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Died after age 63 in Purleigh, Essex, Englandmap
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Biography

Parents and Early Life

Warham Horsmanden was born into a family whose tradition was to serve the church. He was baptised 5 September 1628 at Ulcombe, Kent, the eldest son of Daniel Horsmanden and Ursula Saint Leger.[1][2] He had three younger brothers: Richard, Anthony, and David; and two sisters: Mary and Susanna.[3] His father, Daniel Horsmanden, had received his B.A. from St John's College of Cambridge University in 1604,[4] his M.A. in 1607,[4] and his D.D. from Oxford University in 1617.[4] In 1627 (the year before Warham was born) he received a second D.D. from his alma mater, Cambridge University.[4] He served in 1622 as the rector of Whipsnade, Bedfordshire; in 1625 as the Vicar of Goudhurst; and from 1627 as the Rector of Ulcombe, in which position he succeeded his own father.[4] Warham's baptism was recorded in the Ulcombe Parish records in Latin, probably inscribed by his father who was at that time the vicar of the parish: "Warham filius Danielus Horsmanden theology proffessorus, baptizitus quinto Dir [sic] Septemorius anno deo 1628."[5]

Although his father was a devoted scholar and cleric, he was also a Royalist and that did not escape the notice of certain members of parliament. In 1642 he was sequestered by parliament (besides severe financial penalties, his sequestration included being evicted from his postion in the parish of Ulcombe) for saying that "the late Deputy of Ireland was put to death wrongfully and was sacrificed as our Saviour Christ was, to give people content."[6] The following year a pamplet was widely distributed that also accused him of being "for eleven yeares past, a common haunter of Ale-houses and Tavernes,"[7] To be fair, it was a charge commonly leveled during this period at clergy who did not conform to rigid standards of behaviour and there is no evidence that Rev. Daniel Horsmanden ever had a drinking problem. He was also accused of "acting maliciously toward parliament and having an aversion to weekday sermons."[7] Warham was approximately fifteen years old at this time, and his father's sequestration and public censure undoubtedly had a major impact on him. His father, uncle, and grandfather had all been vicars in the parish of All Saints, Ulcombe, and Purleigh, Essex, and two of his nephews also joined the clergy.[6] After witnessing the criticism which his father was subjected to and experiencing first hand the deprivations of sequestration, Warham did not follow family tradition and become a clergyman. He also did not attend university, one of the only males in his family not to do so. This may have been partly due to a lack of funds caused by the family's reduced circumstances after the sequestration.[8]

On 27 February 1649 (at about 21 yrs of age) he married Susanna Beeching in St Mary's Church at London, Somerset.[9] It was a union that would last for over forty years. With his family still struggling financially, having never recovered from the effects of sequestration, it was a difficult time to be a Royalist in England. By 1651 Warham and his bride had decided to sail to Virginia to establish their own home in a new country.[8]

The Virginia Years

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Warham Horsmanden was a Virginia colonist.

The first evidence of Warham Horsmanden in Virginia[10] is found in a land deed dated September 1674, which refers to his presence in the colony on 1 January 1652.[11] Soon after he had settled in Charles City, Virginia, he had received a land grant and indenture for 1350 acres in Warwick County, Virginia, from Samuel Stephens. The land was to be held in trust for Stephens and his wife Frances for the rest of their lives. Stephens died sometime after 1652 and his wife married (second) the Governor, William Berkeley.[12] The 1674 land deed conveyed the land from Lady Berkeley to a Mr. William Cole. Horsmanden had relinquished his position as trustee by this time but the reference in the deed clearly places him in Virginia in early 1652. By 1653 he owned land which was recorded in a patent to Firdinando Austin, whose own grant lay "south on Mr. Horsmandine [sic]."[13] Several years later land in the same general area belonging to a Robert Nicholson was described as lying "W.N.W. on Warham Horsmonden's land."[13]

Although he was self-educated, Warham Horsmanden was clearly an articulate and intelligent man and he rose rapidly in political influence in the Virginia colony. He served as justice of Charles City in 1655[2]; a member of the House of Burgesses from 1658-1659[2]; and a member of the Governor's Council from 1658-1659.[2] It is assumed he was either a merchant, banker, or land owner, but no real record has been found that indicates what his occupation was. Although Richardson identifies him as "[Col.] Warham Horsmanden"[2] there is no evidence that he ever had a military career, and no rank was ever listed before his name in the records of the House of Burgesses.[14] The fact that he bequeathed his law books to his grandson, William Byrd, is one indication that he may have practiced law in the colonies, although he did not formally attend university or study law at the Inns of Court.[15]

There is no evidence of Horsmanden's tenure on the Governor's Council lasting beyond 1660[16] and it is assumed that about that time (at the beginning of the Restoration) he and his wife returned to England.[2]

Later Life

Little is known of Warham's political or business dealings after his return to England. He initially took up residence at Lenham, Kent and eventually moved his household to Purleigh, Essex. [2] Sometime around 1683 William Byrd II (almost ten years old) was sent to live with his maternal grandparents at Purleigh so that he could receive an English education. His younger sisters, Ursula (nicknamed "Nutty" by her family) and Susanna, were likewise sent in 1685 to live with their grandparents in order to be sent to school there.[17] In a letter written to his father-in-law, Warham Horsmanden, and dated 25 July 1690, William Byrd I commented on Horsmanden's retirement from public life: "I recd two [letters] from you this year, which gave us great Satisfaccon in hearing of all yor healths att Purleigh, amidst ye late amazing revolutions, & truely I must acknowledge that it Seems apparent to mee, that none can bee So happy or contented as those that are retired from Public business, or great Traffic....."[18] The children lived with their grandparents until 1690.[19]

Warham Horsmanden was buried 12 November 1691 in All Saint's Church at Purleigh.[20] He and Susanna both died of a fever within four months of each other and their memorial beneath the stones in the chancel remains today.[19] There is also a memorial to Warham in the vestry of the church, erected prior to his death probably in appreciation for a notable gift to the church, which reads: "Warham Horsmanden. Patron of this rectory of Purleigh, 1685."[21]

Marriage and Children

Warham married Susanna Beeching 27 February 1649 in St Mary's Church at London, Somerset.[9] Susanna was the daughter of William Beeching and Elizabeth Stone. The births of their three children have been difficult to document. All three were born while their parents were living in Virginia. Because the courthouse at New Kent County was burnt three times by British troops during both the American Revolution and the War of 1812, and again by the Union troops during the US Civil War[22] many of the records from the period when Warham Horsmanden lived there have been lost.

  1. Their eldest child is generally acknowledged to be Mary Horsmanden, born about 1652 soon after her parents arrived in Virginia.[23][24] She married (first) Samuel Filmer and (second) William Byrd.[23]
  2. Their second child was Ursula Horsmanden, born about 1654.[23][24] She married (first) William Crayford in 1673,[23] and (second) Nordash Rand 28 September 1676.[25]
  3. The youngest child was their son Daniel Horsmanden, born about 1655. He received his B.A. in 1676 from Magdalen College of Oxford University, his M.A. in 1679, and following in his grandfather's footsteps became Vicar of Purleigh in 1680.[23] He married Susanna Woolston, widow of Thomas Bowyer.[23]

This is also the order in which the children are listed in Warham Horsmanden's Will.

Will of Warham Horsmanden

In the name of God, Amen. Know all men by these presents that I, Warham Horsmanden, of Purleigh in the County of Essex, Esquire, being sick in body but of sound and perfect memory, blessed be God, doe make and ordaine this my last will and testament revokeing all other wills and testaments whatsoever. First I bequeath my soule to Allmighty God who gave me my first hopeing of his great mercy and goodness to have full and free pardon of all my sins. Secondly, I remitt my body to the Earth to be buried in decent manner, at the discretion of my Executor as shalbe hereafter named. Thirdly and lastly, I give and bequeath in manner and forme following (viz:)

Imprimis I give and bequeath unto such poore of the parish of Purleigh, as my Executor with the advise of the Churchwardens and Overseers shall think meet the sum of three pounds.

Item I give and bequeath unto my daughter Bird, the sum of fifty pounds, and unto each of her children the sum of five pounds a peece.

Item I give and bequeath unto my daughter Rand the like sum of fifty pounds, and unto each of her children the like sum of five pounds a peece.

Item I give and bequeath unto my Grandchild William Bird my Law Books.

Item I give and bequeath unto my Grandchild Susanna Byrd my gold watch, to be delivered to her at the age of fifteen years.

Item I give and bequeath unto my daughter in law Susanna Horsmanden my five peeces of broad cloth and also all my fine linnen in my greate chest of drawers, in my chamber.

Item I give and bequeath unto my Grandchild Susanna Horsmanden, daughter of my Executor hereafter named, the sum of one hundred pounds to be put out to interest for her, to be paid her at the age of eighteene years or the day of marriage which[ever] shall first happen.

Item I give and bequeath to my brother Mr. Anthony Horsmanden the sum of five pounds to buy him mourning and to his oldest sonn William Horsmanden the sum of forty shillings.

Item I give and bequeath unto my sister Mrs. Mary Ellward of Manling (?) Town the sum of five pounds to buy her mourning.

Item I give unto my steward Robert Sale of Goudhurst in the County of Kent the sum of twenty shillings to buy him a mourning ring.

Item I give and bequeath unto James Manning of Purleigh the sum of forty shillings.

Item I give and bequeath unto Sarah Woodward, my maidservt,: one good feather bed, and bedstede with curtains and battens, one paire of blanketts, one paire of sheets, one feather bolster and two feather pillows, one iron pottinge pot, one brass skillett, and such of her Mistresses old clothes as to my Executor and his wife shall seem meete, and also the sum of five pounds in mony, in lieu of all claymes and demands whatsoever for my charge of bringing her upp.

Item I give and bequeath unto Elizabeth Wookward [sic] the sum of forty shillings to be paid when her apprenticeship shalbe ended, in lieu of all claymes and demands whatsoever for my charge of bringing her upp.

Item I give and bequeath unto my old friend Mr. Thomas Robbins of Lenham in Kent the sum of twenty shillings to buy him a mourning ring and the like sum of twenty shillings unto Mr. Robert Ellward of the same parish, Attorney, to buy him a mourning ring.

Lastly I doe make and ordaine my loving son Daniel Horsmanden of Purleigh in the County of Essex, Esqr, my sole Executor of this my last will and testament, to whom I give all my goods, my debt legacies and funerall charges first paid. In that this is my last will and testament I have hereunto put my hand and seale the nineteenth day of October in the third yeare of William and Mary, by the grace of God of England, Scotland, France, and Ireland, King and Queen, Defenders of the Faith, etc. Annoque Dom. 1691.

[signature] Warham Horsmanden Signed, sealed, published and delivered in the presence of James Manning.[26]

Sources

  1. Kent Baptisms. Warhamus Horsmanden. Baptism date: 5 Sep 1628; Baptism place: Ulcombe, All Saints; Father's first name: Danielis; County: Kent; Country: England; Archive: Kent History and Library Centre; Archive reference: P376/1/A/1; Register type: Baptisms, Marriages and Burials; Year range: 1560-1643; page: 16; Record set: Kent Baptisms; Category: Birth, Marriage, Death and Parish Records; Subcategory: Parish baptisms. https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=PRS%2FKENT%2FBAP%2F0869275
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 2.6 Richardson, Douglas. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham, 2nd edition (Salt Lake City: the author, 2011), volume III, page 483, SAINT LEGER 16.i.a: Col. Warham Horsmanden.
  3. Richardson, Douglas. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham, 2nd edition (Salt Lake City: the author, 2011), volume III, page 483, SAINT LEGER 16.i:Ursula Saint Leger.
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 Hemp, W.J. The Horsmandens of Lenham and Purleigh. Genealogies of Virginia Families (Tylers Quarterly Historical and Genealogical Magazine), 1981, p. 243 available online.
  5. Ulcombe Parish Records 1583-1660, Kent Archives Office, microfilm, reel 24, cited in Williams, Cyane Dandridge, "The parallel lives of two displaced royalists : Moore Fauntleroy and Warham Horsmanden" (1992). Master's Theses, #1350, pp. 13-14 available online.
  6. 6.0 6.1 Williams, Cyane Dandridge, "The parallel lives of two displaced royalists : Moore Fauntleroy and Warham Horsmanden" (1992). Master's Theses, #1350, p. 14 available online
  7. 7.0 7.1 White, John. The First Century of Scandalous and Malignant Priests. Blackfriars, London: George Miller Printers, 1643 (reprinted 1943), pp. 36-37, available online.
  8. 8.0 8.1 Williams, Cyane Dandridge, "The parallel lives of two displaced royalists : Moore Fauntleroy and Warham Horsmanden" (1992). Master's Theses, #1350, p.15 available online.
  9. 9.0 9.1 England Marriages 1538-1973. Susanna Beeching. Marriage date: 27 Feb 1649; Marriage place: London; Spouse: Warnehaw [sic] Horsemanden; County: London; Country: England; Record set: English Marriages 1538-1973; Category: Birth, Marriage, Death and Parish Records; Subcategory: Parish marriages. https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=R_22085382541%2F2
  10. Horsmenden, Warham - A4011; died 1691, Charles City Co.: 1658 (Burgess); 1658-59 (Councillor). accessed 24 September 2021
  11. Henning, William Waller. Laws of Virginia. Richmond: Samuel Pleasants (printer to the Commonwealth), 1809, p. 322 available online.
  12. Williams, Cyane Dandridge, "The parallel lives of two displaced royalists : Moore Fauntleroy and Warham Horsmanden" (1992). Master's Theses, #1350, p. 43 available online.
  13. 13.0 13.1 Jester, Annie Lash, and Martha Woodruff Hiden. Adventurers of Purse and Person 1607-1625: New Jersey: Princeton University Press, 1956, p. 287. available online.
  14. Williams, Cyane Dandridge, "The parallel lives of two displaced royalists : Moore Fauntleroy and Warham Horsmanden" (1992). Master's Theses, #1350 , p. 51available online.
  15. Williams, Cyane Dandridge, "The parallel lives of two displaced royalists : Moore Fauntleroy and Warham Horsmanden" (1992). Master's Theses, #1350 , p. 63 available online.
  16. Williams, Cyane Dandridge, "The parallel lives of two displaced royalists : Moore Fauntleroy and Warham Horsmanden" (1992). Master's Theses, #1350 , p. 50 available online.
  17. Williams, Cyane Dandridge, "The parallel lives of two displaced royalists : Moore Fauntleroy and Warham Horsmanden" (1992). Master's Theses, #1350 , p. 57 available online.
  18. Byrd, William, I. The Letters of WIlliam Byrd the First. Virginia Magazine of History and Biiography, 26 (1918), pp. 127-128.
  19. 19.0 19.1 Williams, Cyane Dandridge, "The parallel lives of two displaced royalists : Moore Fauntleroy and Warham Horsmanden" (1992). Master's Theses, #1350 , p.60 available online.
  20. Essex Burial Index 1530-1994. Warham Horsmanden. Burial date: 12 Nov 1691; Burial place: Purleigh; County: Essex; Archive: Essex Record Office; Archive reference: D/P 197/1/2; Record set: Essex Burial Index 1530-1994; Category: Baptism, Marriage, Death ad Parish Records; Subcategory: Parish burials. https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBPRS%2FESSEX-BUR%2F0434517
  21. Purleigh, Essex, England. The Church of the Washingtons and Horsmandens. Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, 15 (1907-08), p. 315 available online.
  22. Williams, Cyane Dandridge, "The parallel lives of two displaced royalists : Moore Fauntleroy and Warham Horsmanden" (1992). Master's Theses, #1350 , p. 41 available online.
  23. 23.0 23.1 23.2 23.3 23.4 23.5 Hemp, W.J. The Horsmandens of Lenham and Purleigh. Genealogies of Virginia Families (Tylers Quarterly Historical and Genealogical Magazine), 1981, p. 245 available online.
  24. 24.0 24.1 Williams, Cyane Dandridge, "The parallel lives of two displaced royalists : Moore Fauntleroy and Warham Horsmanden" (1992). Master's Theses, #1350, p. 42 available online.
  25. London, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials 1538-1812, published by Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., Provo, UT 2014. Urshula Craford.[sic] Marriage date: 28 Sep 1676; Marriage place: St Botolph, Aldgate, London; Spouse: Nordash Rand; Register type: Parish register. Urshula Craford discovered in London, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812 - https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/19480011?h=9e1365
  26. McLean, Dabney. Mary Horsmanden Byrd of Westover. Treasure Island, FL: by the author, Treasure Island Press, 1989. p. 32
See also:
  • Berry, William. Pedigrees of the Families in the County of Kent. Paternoster Row, London: Sherwood, Gilbert and Piper Publishers, 1830
  • Bruce, Philip Alexander (ed.). "Virginia Gleanings in England." The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, Vol. 27, pp. 289-290. available online.
  • Hemp, W.J. Horsmandens and Virginia. Genealogies of Virginia Families (Tyler's Quarterly Historical and Genealogical Magazine, 28 (Jan 1947), pp. 239-242 available online.
  • Hunter, Jane of St. Anthony ID, correspondence including her research and references.
  • Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols, ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City: the author, 2013), volume IV, pp. 538-539, SAINT LEGER 21.i.a: Col. Warham Horsmanden.
  • Stanard, W. Glover. Some emigrants to Virginia: memoranda in regard to several hundred emigrants to Virginia during the colonial period whose parentage is shown or former residence indicated by authentic records. Richmond, Va.: For sale by the Bell Book & Stationery Co., 1911, p.35, available online.

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Magna Carta Project

Warham Horsmanden is listed as a Gateway Ancestor in Magna Carta Ancestry (volume I, pages xxiii-xxix "List of Colonial Immigrants") and is in a Richardson-documented trail to Magna Carta Surety Baron Robert de Vere.(Magna Carta Ancestry, III:481-484 SAINT LEGER). In March 2020, Jen Hutton developed this profile and his mother's, connecting him to Warham St Leger. Michael Cayley reviewed/approved/badged this profile on 23 March 2020 and the profile for his mother, Ursuala (St Leger) Horsmanden, on the 26th.
This profile is also the Gateway in trails badged by the Magna Carta Project to Hugh le Bigod, Roger le Bigod, Richard de Clares, Gilbert de Clare, John Fitz Robert, John de Lacy, Saher de Quincy, and Robert de Vere through Warham's grandfather, Warham St Leger. All the trails are set out below.
See Base Camp for more information about Magna Carta trails. See the project's glossary for project-specific terms, such as a "badged trail".

Magna Carta Trails

Badged (2020) Richardson-documented trail to Vere (MCA III:481-484 SAINT LEGER):
Gateway Ancestor Warham Horsmanden (badged/100% 5-star)
1. Warham was the son of Ursula St Leger (badged 2020)
2. Ursula was the daughter of Warham St Leger (badged/100% 5-star)
3. Warham was the son of Anthony St Leger (badged/100% 5-star)
4. Anthony was the son of Warham St Leger (badged/100% 5-star)
5. Warham was the son of Anthony St Leger (badged/100% 5-star)
6. Anthony was the son of Isabel (or Elizabeth) Haute (badged 2020)
7. Elizabeth was the daughter of Elizabeth Tyrell (badged100% 5-star)
8. Elizabeth was the daughter if Anne Marney (badged/100% 5-star)
9. Anne is the daughter of Elizabeth Sergeaux (badged/100% 5-star)
10. Elizabeth is the daughter of Philippe Arundel (badged/100% 5-star)
11. Elizabeth is the daughter of Edmund de Arundel (badged/100% 5-star)
12. Edmund is the son of Richard de Arundel (badged/100% 5-star)
13. Richard was the son of Alice de Warenne (badged/100% 5-star)
14. Alice is the daughter of Joan de Vere (badged/100% 5-star)
15. Joan is the daughter of Robert de Vere (badged/100% 5-star)
16. Robert is the son of Hugh de Vere (badged/100% 5-star)
17. Hugh is the son of Magna Carta Surety Robert de Vere
Badged trails to Quincy (x2), the Bigods (x2), the Clares, Lacy, FitzRobert:
16. Robert de Vere is the son of Hawise de Quincy (badged/100% 5-star)
17. Hawise is the daughter of Magna Carta Surety Saher de Quincy
12. Edmund de Arundel is the son of Isabel le Despenser (badged/re-reviewed 2020)
13. Isabel is the daughter of Hugh le Despenser (badged/100% 5-star)
14. Hugh is the son of Isabel de Beauchamp (badged/100% 5-star)
15. Isabel is the daughter of Maud FitzJohn (badged/100% 5-star)
16. Maud is the daughter of Isabel Bigod (badged/100% 5-star)
17. Isabel is the daughter of Magna Carta Surety Hugh le Bigod
18. Hugh is the son of Magna Carta Surety Roger le Bigod
4. Anthony St Leger was the son of Ursula Neville (badged/100% 5-star; re-reviewed 30 Jan 2023)
5. Ursula is the daughter of George Neville (badged/100% 5-star; re-reviewed 31 Jan 2023)
6. George is the son of George Neville (badged/100% 5-star)
7. George is the son of Edward Neville (badged/100% 5-star)
8. Edward is the son of Ralph Neville (badged/100% 5-star)
9. Ralph is the son of Maud Percy (badged/100% 5-star)
10. Maud is the daughter of Idoine Clifford (badged/100% 5-star)
11. Idoine is the daughter of Robert Clifford (badged/100% 5-star)
12. Robert is the son of Isabel Vipont (badged/100% 5-star)
13. Isabel is the daughter of Isabel FitzJohn (badged/100% 5-star)
14. Isabel is the daughter of Isabel Bigod (badged/100% 5-star)
15. Isabel is the daughter of Magna Carta Surety Hugh (Bigod) le Bigod
16 Hugh is the son of Magna Carta Surety Roger Bigod
11. Idoine Clifford is the daughter of Maud de Clare (badged/100% 5-star)
12. Maud is the daughter of Thomas de Clare (badged/100% 5-star)
13. Thomas is the son of Richard de Clare (badged/100% 5-star)
14. Richard is the son of Magna Carta Surety Gilbert de Clare
15. Gilbert is the son of Magna Carta Surety Richard de Clare
13. Thomas de Clare is the son of Maud de Lacy (badged/100% 5-star)
14. Maud is the daughter of Magna Carta Surety John de Lacy
9. Ralph Neville is the son of John de Neville (badged/100% 5-star)
10. John is the son of Ralph de Neville (badged/100% 5-star)
11. Ralph is the son of Euphame Clavering (badged/100% 5-star)
12. Euphame is the daughter of Robert FitzRoger (badged/100% 5-star)
13. Robert is the son of Roger FitzJohn (badged/100% 5-star)
14. Roger is the son of Magna Carta Surety John FitzRobert
12. Euphame Clavering is the daughter of Margery Zouche (badged/100% 5-star)
13. Margery is the daughter of Ellen de Quincy (badged/100% 5-star)
14. Ellen is the daughter of Roger de Quincy (badged/100% 5-star)
15. Roger is the son of Magna Carta Surety Saher de Quincy




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I have changed the LNAB to Horsmanden, the most common spelling, including in his baptism record, with Horsemanden as an other last name. I briefly adopted the profile to do this.
posted by Michael Cayley
I am going to be updating and editing this profile on behalf of the Magna Carta Project. If anyone has additional information they think should be included please contact me. Thanks everyone.
posted on Horsemanden-2 (merged) by Jen (Stevens) Hutton
Thanks Jen!

I was just working on the profile for an ancestor of his - Despenser-35 - who descends from the Bigods & the Clares (see Despenser-35#Magna Carta Project, and Richardson's SAINT LEGER chapter documents him to de Vere (whose son marrried Hawise, daughter of Saher de Quincy), so you have a bunch of choices on which surety baron to develop a trail to.

Cheers, Liz

posted on Horsemanden-2 (merged) by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
edited by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Thank you, Jen, for your excellent work on this profile. I have completed a Magna Carta Project review.
posted by Michael Cayley
edited by Michael Cayley
Horsemanden-2 and Horsmanden-12 appear to represent the same person because: Same name, dates, wife
posted on Horsemanden-2 (merged) by Karen Lowe
Horsmanden-11 and Horsemanden-2 appear to represent the same person because: same birth, death, and spouse
posted on Horsemanden-2 (merged) by Karen Lowe
The Magna Carta project has identified a suggested line for this Gateway Ancestor and will be starting a trail to a Magna Carta surety baron.

If you're interested in getting involved or following our progress, you can do so at the Magna Carta Base Camp.

posted on Horsemanden-2 (merged) by PM Eyestone