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Thomas Howard KG KB (1443 - 1524)

Thomas "2nd Duke of Norfolk, 1st Earl of Surrey" Howard KG KB
Born in Stoke-by-Nayland, Suffolk, Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Husband of — married 30 Apr 1472 (to 4 Apr 1497) [location unknown]
Husband of — married 17 Aug 1497 (to 21 May 1524) [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died at about age 81 in Framlingham Castle, Framlingham, Suffolk, Englandmap
Profile last modified | Created 3 Aug 2008
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Preceded by
John Howard, 1st Duke of Norfolk
Duke of Norfolk
Succeeded by
Thomas Howard, 3rd Duke of Norfolk



Thomas Howard (b.1443 Stoke Neyland, Suffolk - d. 21 May 1524 Framlingham Castle, Framlingham, Suffolk; bur. 26 June 1524 Thetford Abbey, Norfolk) is the son of John Howard, 1st Duke of Norfolk and Catherine Moleyns.


  • 14 Jan 1478: created Knight of the Bath (KB) by Edward IV at the marriage of the King's second son, the young Duke of York.[1]
  • 1483: 1st Earl of Surrey
  • 1483/5: Privy Counsellor (P.C.)
  • 1491: Order of the Garter (K.G.)
  • 01 Feb 1514: 2nd Duke of Norfolk (created with precedence of any previous Dukedoms of Norfolk, effectively restoring father's attainted title).


He married twice. Both wives carried the Tilney surname at birth.

Elizabeth Tylney

m.1 (30 Apr 1472) Elizabeth, dau of Frederick Tylney and Elizabeth Cheney. Issue:

  1. Edmund b. bt 1472 - 1497, d. 19 Mar 1539
  2. Adm. Sir Edward Howard b. bt 1472 - 1497, d. 25 Apr 1513
  3. Elizabeth b. bt 1472 - 1497, d. 3 Apr 1538
  4. Marcella b. bt 1472 - 1497
  5. Thomas, 3rd Duke of Norfolk+ b. 1473, d. 25 Aug 1554

Agnes Tylney

m.2 (17 Aug 1497) Agnes, dau. of Hugh Tilney.[2]. Issue:

  1. Elizabeth b. bt 1497 - 1534, d. 18 Sep 1537
  2. Lord Thomas Howard b. bt 1497 - 1545
  3. Katharine b. bt 1497 - 1545, d. c May 1554
  4. Dorothy b. bt 1497 - 1545
  5. Anne b. abt 1497 - 1545
  6. William, 1st Baron Howard of Effingham b. c 1510, d. 21 Jan 1572/73


Manor of Hooks and Pinnacles

"In 1449 William Say, clerk, John Say and Lawrence Cheyne his [father]-in-law were listed as tenants of a group of manors including Hooks. Sir John Say died in 1478 holding Hooks and Pinnacles of the Abbot of Waltham. He was succeeded by his son Sir William. In 1515 Robert Turbervyl, at the request of Sir William Say, granted this manor to Thomas Howard, Duke of Norfolk, steward of Waltham Forest during the minority of John de Vere, Earl of Oxford. Dorothy, daughter and heir of Sir William Say, brought this manor to her husband William, Lord Mountjoy. Their only daughter Gertrude married Henry Courtenay, Marquess of Exeter, in 1519, and the manor subsequently came into Exeter's possession. In 1539 he was attainted and this manor was forfeit to the Crown."[3]


  1. The Knights of England, p. 138.[1]
  2. alt m. date 17 Aug 1487.[citation needed]
  3. 'Waltham Holy Cross: Introduction and manors,' in A History of the County of Essex: Volume 5, ed. W R Powell (London: Victoria County History, 1966), 151-162, accessed March 16, 2016, [2]
  • Lewis, M. (2014, March 11). "Sir Thomas Howard, Earl Marshal of England, 2nd Duke Norfolk, Sheriff of Norfolk & Suffolk, Lord High Treasure #15419, b. 1443, d. 21 May 1524," citing: Burke, 1938 and various works by Douglas Richardson. ORTNCA. Web.
  • Richardson, D. (2011). "Howard 11," in Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd ed, II, p. 414. Google Books.
  • Richardson, D. (2011). "Howard 12," in Plantagenet Ancestry, 2nd ed, II, p. 274. Google Books.
  • Richardson, D. (2013). Royal Ancestry, I: 486, III: 336.

See Also...

  • Pine, L. G. (1971). The New Extinct Peerage 1884-1971, pp. 9. London: Heraldry Today)
  • Proceedings of the Society of Antiquaries of London, 1, pp. 14. J.B. Nichols and Son, for The Society of Antiquaries, Somerset House, London, 1849. "buried at Thetford Priory; and Blomefield states, that his remains were removed to Framlingham, but it is more probable that they were deposited at Lambeth in the chapel founded by him"

see also: Space: Proceedings of the Society of Antiquaries of London

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Nash-9215 Thomas Howard is my 13th great grandfather
posted by Dennis Nash
Thomas Howard is in prospective trails from Gateway ancestors to a Magna Carta Surety Baron. I have therefore made the Magna Carta Project a profile manager. Any questions, please get in touch. Thanks.
posted by Michael Cayley
Any ideas on who this Elizabeth and John are? Brain foggy tonight and they seem to fit in here somewhere, but I'm not catching on.

posted by Monica Edmunds
She is Elizabeth Fitz Alan, wife of Thomas Mowbray, 1st Duke of Norfolk. Her son was John Mowbray, 2nd Duke of Norfolk. Richard III created John Howard (this guy's father), Duke of Norfolk using the pretense that he was the great-grandson of the Thomas Mowbray, 1st Duke of Norfolk. If we follow Complete Peerage's numbering we should call this guy Thomas Howard, 7th Duke of Norfolk and his father John Howard, 6th Duke of Norfolk (rather than restarting the numbering with a new creation of the title).
posted by Joe Cochoit
edited by Joe Cochoit
Thanks, Joe! Much appreciated.
posted by Monica Edmunds
Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry: A Study In Colonial And Medieval Families, in 5 vols. (Salt Lake City, Utah, 2013), Vol. V. page 73.

Thank you!

Howard -2 is Blackstone -170 15th great grandfather can someone add my DNA 23andme to his profile please, Thanks
posted by Donnie Blackstone
posted by Vic Watt
Is everyone OK with deleting all this Wikipedia cut & paste, (so we can write him an original biography)?
posted by Cynthia (Billups) B
Howard-2 and Howard-1949 appear to represent the same person because: Same birth and death dates, wife, and daughter. Howard-2 is PPP.
posted by Bob Fields
Howard-Arundell-1 and Howard-2 do not represent the same person because: obviously not a match - sorry
posted by Andrew Bassett-Smith
Based on the biography, Bob is correct and I agree with Jacques on the profile situation.
posted by Cheryl (Stone) Caudill
I propose to use this profile for Thomas 2nd, as Thomas 3rd already has a profile:

I changed the dates, but the other information has to be checked.

posted by [Living Pictet]
Wikipedia says his father was Thomas Howard, 2nd Duke of Norfolk, not John Howard (as listed in this profile). I didn't see an existing John Howard 1443 – 21 May 1524 to connect as father. Do we have to create a new one? See,_3rd_Duke_of_Norfolk. The picture here is actually Thomas Howard II, so it looks like father and sone were accidentally merged.
posted by Bob Fields