John Howse

John Howse (abt. 1568 - bef. 1630)

Born about [uncertain] in England
Died before before about age 62 in Eastwell, Kent, England

John Howse (abt. 1568 - bef. 1630)

Born about [uncertain] in England
Died before before about age 62 in Eastwell, Kent, England

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Biography

This profile is protected by the England Project to prevent the reattachment of unverified parents, Alice Hinton and Thomas Howse.

He might have been the John Howse or Hues who matriculated "sizar"[1] at St. John’s College, Cambridge about 1590.[2] The Cambridge alumni publication mentions that a man with this name was rector of Eastwell, Kent. However, there is no documentation proving the connection. The John Howse of this profile was appointed rector of Eastwell, Kent in April 1603. [3]. (note: this quote previously in the profile - "In the Bishop’s Transcripts for Canterbury he is also given as Curate for Egerton, 1592-6" - probably means that his name appears in the extant Egerton registers for that period as transcribed for the Bishop. More information about these registers is discussed below). He was previously appointed to the curacy of Egerton, Kent, on 19 April 1592.[3] It isn't clear from the alumni database why the circa date of 1590 was chosen, but he must have graduated about this time or shortly after if he had a curacy appointment in 1592. This suggests he was born in the late 1560s.

Marriage

The only reference to John's wife is in his will, where he names wife Alice. A claim found in several self-published genealogies, and repeated many times since on the internet, is that his wife Alice's surname was Lloyd (Alice Lloyd). No credible sources were found to support this. The baptism of John's children don't name their mother, so Alice wasn't necessarily their mother.

Children

The earliest baptsm records for John's children are in the Egerton parish records. The original parish records apparently aren't extant. The contemporary Bishop's Transcripts of those records have many gaps, but are the only source evident for the Egerton records. The comments for the Family Search microfilm of those records (as they pertain to the Howse family) says there are gaps between 1588/9-1592/3 and 1596/7-1602/3. Baptism records for first-born Elizabeth and children born between Peninah and John may be lost in those gaps. There have been comments about the children up to Peninah being by a first wife and the rest by a second, but this was likely without the knowledge that there are gaps in the Egerton records. A 1599 "visitation" or census of the clergy within the jurisdiction of the Bishop of Canterbury says John was still in Egerton.[3]

i. Elizabeth Howse b. ca 1590-2; married, Eastwell to John Champion, of Little Chart, 28 September 1607[4]

ii. Hannah Howse bp. Egerton, 5 May, 1594.[5] Died between 1632 and 1634, London, while her husband, Rev Lothrop, was in prison. Married, Eastwell to Rev. John Lothrop, 16 October 1610.[6]

iii. Peninah Howse bp. Egerton, 11 April, 1595.[7] Died after 1669, Barnstable, Massachusetts. Married between 1632 and 1638 to Robert Linnell, probably in London.[The will of her brother Thomas Howes, in 1643 gives her name as Peninah Linnell [also Lynell]. In the High Commission proceedings in 1632, she is given as Peninah Howes].

1595-1603 - more children possibly born in Egerton where records are lacking or a different parish

iv. John Howse bp. Eastwell 19 June, 1603.[8] Married Eastwell to Mary Osborn of Ashford, 18 September, 1623.

v.. Priscilla Howse bp. Eastwell 25 August, 1605.[9] Buried, Eastwell 28 Nov 1618

vi. Thomas Howse bp. Eastwell, 21 August, 1608.[10] Died 1644 London. In his will, dated 18 October 1643, he lists his wife Elizabeth, his brother Samuel of Scituate and Barnstable, Mass. See Great Migration Series, Vol. III, I634-5, page 424-8], his sister Peninah Lynell, his sister Druscilla Player.

vii. Samuel Howse bp. Eastwell, 10 June, 1610.[11] Died 12 September 1667, Mass. Married about April 1636 to Ann Hammond of Watertown, Mass. He emigrated to America in 1634, joined Rev Lothrop’s church in Scituate then Barnstable, and returned to Scituate.

viii. Henry Howse bp. Eastwell, 28 June, 1612;[12] died after 1631

ix. Hannah Howse b ca 1614; m (1) Benjamin Allen (2) Livewell Chapman

x. Druscilla Howse b ca 1616; Married, Eastwell, to Simon Player 17 April 1637[13]

Burial

Rev. John Howse was buried in Eastwell, Kent, England, on 2 September 1630.[14] He served as rector of the parish at Eastwell from 1603 until his death. The parish register, in a list of rectors, noted: John Howse dyed in ye year 1630 and was rector of ye parish about 27 years.

Nuncupative Will

The nuncupative will of John House, Clarke, parson of Eastwell, co Kent, written on 30 August 1630. To my wife Alice, all my goods, and I make her my sole executrix. Witnesses: Elizabeth Champion, Druscilla Howes, Mrs Joane Wallis. Proved 8 September 1630 by the executrix named. [15] [16]

Disputed Family Members

Parents:
It has been claimed, without evidence, that the Rev. John Howse was son of Thomas Hulse and Alice Hinton of Norbury, Cheshire. There is no reason to think this is correct. There is no scrap of evidence linking this man to Cheshire or the Hulse family.

John Hulse son of Thomas of Astley would have born c. 1539 to be on the record below from the British National Archives dated 1560 . There is no way he could have been the Rector of Eastwell, Kent and still having children in 1637.] at such as advanced age.

  • 16 April 2 Elizabeth (1560) John Hulse son and heir of Thomas Hulse of Astley co Chester. Thomas Hulse of Astley gentleman, Robert Corbett of Hatherton co Chester esq and John Dodd of Cloreley co Salop esq are bound to John Newton and Elizabeth his wife in £100 Signatures of John Hulse, Thomas Hullse, Robert Corbet, John Dod Witnesses:- Thomas Moreton gentleman, Thomas Costandyne, John Davye, Griffith Woode, William welde Defeazance - The coheirs of Griffith Hynton esq deceased have agreed to a partition made by William Hanmer of Fennysheathe co Flint esq and John Barker of Culcester co Salop gentleman of the capital manor or mansion house of Hynton and lands, as appears by indenturesof partition dated 4 March last (2028/1/2/40). Defeazance provided they accept the partition and hold themselves pleased with it and allow the Newtons to have peaceful possession of the part which came to their lot, viz, a close called the News closse and other parcels; and will make then further assurance at their reasonable request. Date: 1560[17]



Children:
Note. There has been great confusion in the American record to the effect that Robert Linnell’s first wife was a Jemimah Howes, presumably another daughter to Rev. John Howes. This has been compounded by an LDS record of the supposed marriage of a Jemimah Howes to Robert Linnell in 1621 in Ashford, Kent. There are no records to support this.

Note: There are several different spellings for the family surname.

Sources

  • Dalley, Craig L. "Religious and Political Radicalism in London: The Family of Thomas Howse, with Massachusetts Connections, 1642-1665. New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Volume 170. Boston, MA: Winter 2016 (Online database: AmericanAncestors.org, New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2001-2018.) By Subscription.

Page 41.

  1. "an undergraduate at Cambridge University or at Trinity College, Dublin, receiving financial help from the college and formerly having certain menial duties," Google Dictionary.
  2. Alumni cantabrigienses; a biographical list of all known students, graduates and holders of office at the University of Cambridge pg 418 Internet archive
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 "Clergy of the Church of England" database online [1].
  4. Marriage: "Kent Marriages And Banns"
    Archive: Canterbury Cathedral Archives
    FindMyPast Transcription (accessed 1 May 2023)
    Eliz Howse marriage to John Champion on 20 Sep 1607 in Eastwell, St Mary, Kent, England.
  5. Parish register of Egerton, Kent, England, transcription database at Familysearch.org [2] and Findmypast.co.uk $ [3].
  6. Marriage: "Britain, Marriage Licences"
    Archive: College of Arms
    FindMyPast Image - FindMyPast Transcription (accessed 1 May 2023)
    Hannah Howse marriage to John Lothropp in 1610 in Eastwell, Kent, England.
  7. Parish register of Egerton, Kent, England, transcription database at Familysearch.org [4] and Findmypast.co.uk $ [5].
  8. Parish register of Eastwell, Kent, England, Findmypast.co.uk image database online $ [6]. See also the transcription database at Familysearch.org [7].
  9. Parish register of Eastwell, Kent, England, Findmypast.co.uk image database online $ [8]. See also the transcription database at Familysearch.org [9].
  10. Parish register of Eastwell, Kent, England, Findmypast.co.uk image database online $ [10].
  11. Parish register of Eastwell, Kent, England, Findmypast.co.uk image database online $ [11].
  12. Parish register of Eastwell, Kent, England, Findmypast.co.uk image database online $ [12]. See also the transcription database at Familysearch.org [13].
  13. Marriage: "Kent Marriages And Banns"
    FindMyPast Transcription (accessed 1 May 2023)
    Druscilla Howse marriage to Simon Player on 17 Apr 1637 in Eastwell, St Mary, Kent, England.
  14. Parish register of Eastwell, Kent, England. Findmypast.co.uk image database online $ [14], John Howse burial on 2 Sep 1630 in Eastwell, St Mary, Kent, England.
  15. Flagg, Ernest. Genealogical Notes on the Founding of New England: My Ancestors Part in that Undertaking. United States: Genealogical Publishing Company, 1973. pg 326 Google Books
  16. French, Elizabeth, "Genealogical Research in England," New England Historical and Genealogical Register 66, 1912, 356-358.
  17. British National Archives, 16 April 2 Elizabeth (1560) John Hulse son and heir of Thomas Hulse of Astley co 2028/1/3/5

Photos of John: 3

Ruins of St. Mary's Church
(1/3) Ruins of St. Mary's Church John Howse (abt.1568-bef.1630). Eastwell, Kent, England, United Kingdom 13 Sep 2023
Overgrown grave sites at St. Mary's Church
(2/3) Overgrown grave sites at St. Mary's Church John Howse (abt.1568-bef.1630). Eastwell, Kent, England, United Kingdom 13 Sep 2023
Gravestone engraved J. House
(3/3) Gravestone engraved J. House John Howse (abt.1568-bef.1630). St Mary's Church, Eastwell, Kent, England, United Kingdom 13 Sep 2023

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Donnelly-2171
Nic Donnelly
Hi PMs,

The England Project would like to co-manage this profile with you, to prevent spurious parents being attached to it. I will send a Trusted List request from the England Project account. Please accept this request when it comes through. Thanks for all your work taking care of this profile, we look forward to working with you on it.

--Nic, England Project Managed Profiles Team

posted by Nic Donnelly

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Quick-2940
Jason Quick
Thomas Hulse of Astley (son of Philip) was not the father of John Howse rector of Eastwell.

John Hulse son of Thomas of Astley would have born abt 1539 according to the record below from the British National Archives dated 1560. There is no way he could have been the Rector of Eastwell, Kent and still having children in 1637 at such as advanced age. Its far-fetched that a land-owning country gentleman would want to join the clergy and go through all the tedious training.

16 April 2 Elizabeth (1560) John Hulse son and heir of Thomas Hulse of Astley co Chester. Thomas Hulse of Astley gentleman, Robert Corbett of Hatherton co Chester esq and John Dodd of Cloreley co Salop esq are bound to John Newton and Elizabeth his wife in £100 Signatures of John Hulse, Thomas Hullse, Robert Corbet, John Dod Witnesses:- Thomas Moreton gentleman, Thomas Costandyne, John Davye, Griffith Woode, William welde Defeazance - The coheirs of Griffith Hynton esq deceased have agreed to a partition made by William Hanmer of Fennysheathe co Flint esq and John Barker of Culcester co Salop gentleman of the capital manor or mansion house of Hynton and lands, as appears by indenturesof partition dated 4 March last (2028/1/2/40). Defeazance provided they accept the partition and hold themselves pleased with it and allow the Newtons to have peaceful possession of the part which came to their lot, viz, a close called the News closse and other parcels; and will make then further assurance at their reasonable request. Date: 1560 https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/ebc82a8e-35e3-4328-9b1a-38dcf8300060

The Same John Hulse of Astley was dead by 14 August 33 Elizabeth (1591) By a deed recorded naming Hughe Huls of Astley co Chester esq (John Hulse's half brother) "John Huls his late brother, or Thomas Huls his late father" https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/109b8a71-1d48-4f42-b885-aa0eea08d265

posted by Jason Quick
edited by Jason Quick

Kreutzer-114
Pam Kreutzer
House-2134 and Howse-1 appear to represent the same person because: House and Howse are different versions of the same surname, these profiles have the same information concerning death and burial.

posted by Pam Kreutzer

Why do we have Howse-1 connected to House-6/19 (and indirectly to Alice Hinton-144) when the bio says "There is no scrap of evidence linking this man (...)"

What possible explanation is there for somebody who -- according to OUR PROFILE -- was born and died in KENT, to be the son of a notional family in Cheshire? That would be rare even today.

posted by NN Taylor

Catambay-1
Bill Catambay
Unfortunately, the "English Origins of New England Families, Vol. I" only goes back as far as this John Howse, and doesn't mention his parents.

posted by Bill Catambay

Has anyone found an actual document yet that proves that Thomas is the father of John? Any Mayflower ancestors the relationship finder finds for me is relation through them. I can prove everything up to them but I can not find documents showing that Thomas is John's father..

posted by Amber (Pike) Boicourt

White-22300
Bill White
I have set the birth and death to conform with that given at Find A Grave in an effort to prevent additional database errors. If anyone has what they believe to be a more reliable source, we can contact the profile manager at FAG and request an update or inquire about their source.

posted by Bill White

What is the source of Eastwell, Kent, Eng, as place of birth? FAG gives his place of birth as Cossington, Leicestershire (with, granted, no source given). I did some research on this and found several other sites that mention Cossington as his place of birth, but also with no source--and possibly all of these trace back to one source. I did a search on Ancestry, and it was surprising how many people named John Howse were born in England in the 1560s! However, unless we have proof that he is from Eastwell, it shouldn't be listed as his birthplace just because that's where he ended up serving as rector.

posted by Christine Crawford

White-22300
Bill White
House AKA HAWSE-1 and Howse-1 appear to represent the same person because: I am working a duplicate line of the House family that needs some serious attention. The dates here don't match but I have found the same issues through several generations. This is the optimal starting point for the cleanup effort that will include several date corrections as well as merges since this is as far up the ancestrial ladder that this line goes. I intend to work my way down from here adding reliable sources whenever I can. It is fairly obvious by looking through the lines why I think these profiles appear to represent the same individual. I would appreciate your help.

posted by Bill White

Howse-1 and Howse-259 appear to represent the same person because: same name, dod, location

posted by Darrell Parker

Howse-1 and Howse-258 appear to represent the same person because: same name, dod, location

posted by Darrell Parker

Howse-1 and Howse-257 appear to represent the same person because: same name, dod, location

posted by Darrell Parker

Roche-395
Patricia Roche
Howse-259 and Howse-5 appear to represent the same person because: same name and birth year

posted by Patricia Roche

Roche-395
Patricia Roche
Howse-258 and Howse-5 appear to represent the same person because: same name and birth year

posted by Patricia Roche


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