Maud (Ingelrica) Peverel (1032 - 1083)

Born 1032 in St Martin le Grand, London, England

Died 2 Nov 1083 at about age 51 in Caen, Calvados, Basse-Normandie, France

Biography

Jim Weber refers to her as Maud (Athelida) de Ingelrica ^[1]

Non-existent Person?

Maud was previously linked as the daughter of Ingelric of Wessex. It is doubtful that such a person existed and that link has been removed.

Todd A. Farmerie, in response to a query regarding Ingelric's relationship to Aethelred and Emma on SGM (soc.genealogy.medieval), responded, Complete fantasy. AEthelred and Emma had just three known children - AElfred, Eadweard, and Godgifu. Further every single one of AEthelred's children were named for prior kings of Wessex/England. AEthelred had no such son. In fact, I would be surprised if there ever was any Ingelric the Saxon. This man is completely invented, as is his supposed daughter Maud/Ingelrica. ^[2]

Legacy

There is currently an Ingelrica Ave, Hatfield Peverel, Chelmsford CM3 2RW, UK.

Research Notes

Disambiguation

Information related to two Gronwys, two Mauds, and two husbands of Maud is mixed both on WikiTree and the sources. The two Gronwys are:

• Gronwy ap Tudur ap Rhys Sais ap Ednyfed, shown with life (1076-1110) but Boyer, p. 358, estimates birth 1100. Son of Tudur ap Rhys and Sionet ap Rhys. Married Maud ferch Indelric. Father of Sir Roger Powys and his brother Jonas. (Bartrum, via Boyer). Considerable data related to a wife Maud and her father Ingelric has been moved to Research Notes.
• Gronwy Pefr, born, say, 995. No parents, spouse or children. Save profile in case ap Tudor-15 needs to be divided in two.

The two Mauds are a generation apart, however a number of facts which may be applicable to one may be attributed to the other:

• Maud de Ingelrica Peverel born, say, 1032, daughter of ingelric, wife of William Peverell.
• Maud ferch Indelric, born, say 1083. No parents linked, but daughter of Ingelric and born about 1060, wife of Gronwy ap Tudur, born Wales 1076, or wife of Tudor ap Rhys Sais

The husbands of Maud are:

• Gronwy ap Tudur, born, say 1100, above.
• Ranulf Wrenroc, born, say, 1009. Same as Ranulf de Peverel, but no merge until data cleaned.
• Ranulf de Peverel, born say 1020. Same as Ranulf Wrenroc, but no merge until data cleaned.
• Tudor ap Rhys Sais

1030 Birth and Parentage

Darrell Wolcott estimates Maud's birth at 1030, which fits chronologically with a Maud being a daughter of Ingelric born 1000 and granddaughter of Aethelred, born 968; the dating also fits with a liaison with King William, born 1024, and then marriage to Ranulph Peverel, born 1020.^[3]

Jim Weber reports Maud's birth at 1032 ^[1] and Geni reports Maud's birth at 1033 ^[4]

Geni notes Maud as a daughter of Ingelric "The Saxon" and Adelaide of France ^[4]. Ingelric's association with Adelaide is not documented elsewhere.

Jim Weber joins in the assertion that Maud's father was Prince Ingelric of England, b. 1006 in St Martin's, London, Middlesex, England. Thus he joins in the assertion that Maud was the daughter of a powerful Saxon Lord, said to be a son of Aethelred "the Unready". ^[1] However, Renia Simmonds at the google Newsgroup soc.genealogy.medieval, on 8 April 2001 discounts the Saxon birth of Athelida. ^[1] Weber notes that "if Maud's father was a son of Aethelred (according to his likely date of birth, it would be by Emma of Normandy), then William's favoritism towards the Peverel family could easily be explained by the fact that Maud Ingelrica was his cousin.^[1]

Cawley simply states, regarding Ingelric, who he states is a nobleman of Norman origin, that his family background is unknown. ^[5]

Several historians think "Ingelric the Saxon" is a myth, and it is highly unlikely that Æthelred had a son of that name.^[2][6]

1056 St. Martin's le Grand

Both Jim Weber and Geni report Maud born at St. Martin's le Grand, London.^[4] but do not explain or document the connection with the St. Martin's parish.

About 1056, during the reign of Edward the Confessor, the collegiate church and monastic precinct of St. Martin's was rebuilt or founded by two brothers, Ingelric and Girard. ^[7]

The precinct was within the City of London but not subject to its jurisdiction. According to a somewhat dubious tradition, the church dated to the 7th or 8th century and was founded by King Wihtred of Kent. ^[7]

In 1068, the church's foundation was confirmed by a charter of William the Conqueror, dating to 1068. The church was responsible for the sounding of the curfew bell in the evenings, which announced the closing of the City's gates. It was dissolved by King Henry VIII and demolished in 1548. ^[7]

Refer also to the scholarly article here about the Ingelric mentioned at the Foundation of St. Martin: ^[8]

Early trip to Normandy

Weber suggests that Maud may have gone to Normandy with Edward the Confessor, when he was in exile in Normandy (1013-1035). ^[1]. This would not, however, fit the timeline of a Maud born in 1030 as Wolcott has suggested.

1048 Maud's Affair with William the Conqueror

Weber^[1] cites a newsgroup assertion that about 1048 Maud had an affair with William I "The Conqueror" King of ENGLAND b: 14 OCT 1027 in Falaise, Calvados, Normandy, France. The affair may have produced William "Elder" Peverel ^[9] An affair in 1048, when she was 18, would fit the timeline of a Maud born in 1030 as Wolcott has suggested.

Cawley reports that Maud is said to have been the mistress of William I King of England. Cawley notes that Eyton states that, according to Dugdale, Maud's relationship with William (then Duke of Normandy) predated her marriage and that he was the father of her son William Peverel. ^[5]

Neither the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy ^[10] nor Douglas Richardson ^[11] in their discussion of William, on the other hand, address the possibility of any mistresses of William or natural children by him. Since both do so for other persons when there is documentation, an affair between Maud and William should be considered questionable absent any better documentation.

1051 Marriage to Ranulf

Whatever her prior relationships, Maud and Ranulf were apparently married quite awhile before the conquest, as the age of their children would indicate.^[1] Weber reports that Maud married Ranulf (Randolph) Peverel b: about 1030 in Vengeons, Manche, Normandy, France^[1]

Cawley, too, reports the marriage, referring to Maud as Ingelrica: Ranulf Peverel of Hatfield, Essex, married Ingelrica, daughter of Ingelric and his wife. ^[5]

Geni also reports that Maud married Ranulph de Peverel, of Hatfield ^[4]

The unanswered question here is that, if the marriage took place prior to the conquest, where were the parties based before the conquest, and how did the connection leading to marriage take place?

Ranulf's Alleged Welsh Origins

Wolcott provides a possible scenario to account for the various suppositions in a consistent timeline: The son of this Gronwy was probably referred to as Ranulph Pefr until he was approached by the young Duke of Normandy, William the bastard in 1051. The latter was betrothed to marry a Flanders princess, a connection vital to his standing in Normandy. But in his negotiations with Edward the Confessor regarding his succeeding the childless king as King of England, it was suggested William required a Saxon connection as well. His great aunt Emma had married Aethelred the Unready and now had a granddaughter, Maud. Both a comely and wealthy young lady, William agreed to bear her a son which would be his first-born and whom he would reward handsomely when he became King. But to keep the boy from bearing the bastard stigma he himself wore, William convinced the part-Welsh, part Saxon Ranulph Pefr to marry the pregnant lady and give his name to her child. As evidenced by Ranulph's extensive holdings cited in the Domesday Book, he was well rewarded for this act. Since the Welsh Pefr was not a suitable family name for the first-born child of William Duke of Normandy, it was given a Norman look as Peverel. And while this covering marriage "legitimized" the king's son, persistent rumors continued as to who was really his father. Having no way to be certain, historians are wholly silent on the matter. Nor do they offer any explanation how both Ranulph Peverel and his "son" acquired their extensive lands all across England or why the early Marcher Barons would freely give their daughters in marriage to Peverel men. Our conjecture is offered as one possibility. We doubt that William Peverel went to live in Normandy and returned with the 1066 invasion, but may well have joined Duke William in the battle at Hastings as a "Norman" already in England. ^[3]

1083 Death

Geni reports that Maud died November 2, 1083 in Caen, Calvados, Normandy ^[4]. Only Geni gives a date and place for Maud's death, and does not explain why she died in Normandy.

Issue

Sources generally credit Maud with four, sometimes five children. They are linked below. Cawley provides extensive detail on three of them, which is shown on their own profiles.

#William "The Elder" Peverel , of Nottingham b: ABT 1050 in Vengeons, Manche, Normandy, France. Has children ^[1]. Cawley gives no birth, but shows 28 Jan 114 as a death date. ^[5] Said to be the son of Maud and William the Conqueror. Ingelrica (Maud) is said to be the mother of William Peverel. ^[5][12] William is one of three children named by Cawley. Named by Wolcott as son of Maud and King William I, born 1046. ^[3]

1. Pagan (Pain) Peverel , of Brunne b: ABT 1060 in Vengeons, Manche, Normandy, France. Has children ^[1]. Not named by Cawley. ^[5] Named by Wolcott as Payne, son of Ranulph, born 1054. ^[3]
2. Robert Peverel , of Bourne b: ABT 1065 in Vengeons, Manche, Normandy, France. Has children ^[1]. Cawley reports that Robert died after 1103. Henry I King of England confirmed the donation of the church of Lenton to Cluny, by charter dated to [1103/14], which records “Willelmo Peverello cum uxore sua Adaleida et filio suo Willelmo” as founders of the church and is subscribed by “…Roberti fratris Willelmi Pevrelli…”. ^[5] Not named by Wolcott.
3. Hamon Peverel , of Brunne b: ABT 1067 in Bourn (Brunne), Caxton, Cambridgeshire, England. Has children ^[1]. Not named by Cawley. Named by Wolcott as Hamo, born 1050. ^[3]
4. Emma Peverel b: ABT 1069 in Bourn, Caxton, Cambridgeshire, England. Has children ^[1]. Not named by Cawley.
5. Ranulph Peverel; ^[4]. Not named by Weber. Cawley reports his death after 27 Jan 1091. "…Ranulfus Peverellis…" witnessed the charter dated 27 Jan 1091 under which William II King of England confirmed the status of Bath abbey[2357]. Assuming that the dates attributed to William, son of Ranulf Peverel, are correct as shown above, it is unlikely that Ranulf who witnessed this charter was William´s father. It is assumed therefore that he was another younger brother of William who is unrecorded elsewhere.] ^[5]
6. William, born 1052. Named by Wolcott as son of Ranulph and Maud, making this the second child of Maud named William. Not named by the others. ^[3]

Claimed Marriage to Tudar ap Rhys Sais

Y. W. Lloyd ^[13] reports that Maude, daughter of Ingelric, a noble Saxon (who had previously had a son named William, of whom the Conqueror was the father”), subsequently became the first wife of Tudor ap Rhys Sais b. abt 1055, son of Rhys ap Ednyfed, and his wife Efa verch Hir. d. 1120. This marriage of Maude and Rhys Sais is then said to be the source of several noted lines of Welsh descendants.

It does not appear that the same Maude would be the ancestor of both Tudor ap Rhys Sais' descendants and also the Peverells. Further research will be important to identify the actual truth.

Sources

1. ↑ ^{1.00 1.01 1.02 1.03 1.04 1.05 1.06 1.07 1.08 1.09 1.10 1.11 1.12 1.13} Jim Weber. The Phillips, Weber, Kirk, & Staggs families of the Pacific Northwest Maud (Athelida) de Ingelrica Updated June 11, 2015. Accessed December 20, 2017. jhd
2. ↑ ^{2.0 2.1} Farmerie, Todd A. "Re: 2 questions re INGELRIC the Saxon (of England) " post to soc.genealogy.medieval newsgroup 16 February 2007.
   On Feb 15, 10:29 pm, "Carole T" wrote:
   ...
   > 1. the parents of Ingelric.
   > I have noticed several entries on private genealogy sites naming
   > INGELRIC as a son of ETHELRED of England and EMMA of Normandy.
   
   Complete fantasy. AEthelred and Emma had just three known children -
   AElfred, Eadweard, and Godgifu. Further every single one of
   AEthelred's children were named for prior kings of Wessex/England.
   AEthelred had no such son. In fact, I would be surprised if there
   ever was any Ingelric the Saxon. This man is completely invented, as
   is his supposed daughter Maud/Ingelrica.
3. ↑ ^{3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 3.5} Darrell Wolcott. Ancient Wales Studies. Welsh Origins of the Peveral Family Wolcott notes: Much of the genealogical data contained herein is of late, unproven origin and should not be relied upon. The purpose of this paper is primarily to examine what others claim to be true about the family, and create a timeline which will show the chronological errors contained in those accounts, and suggest a pedigree which eliminates earlier anachronisms. Accessed December 20, 2017. jhd
4. ↑ ^{4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.5} Geni. Athelida de Ingelrica Added by: Dean Ronald Tanner, Sr. on May 12, 2007. Managed by: Henrik Nissen Sætness and 81 others. Curated by: Janet Palo-Jackson. Accessed December 20 2017. jhd
5. ↑ ^{5.0 5.1 5.2 5.3 5.4 5.5 5.6 5.7} Charles Cawley. Foundation for Medieval Genealogy. Medieval Lands Database. William Peverel Accessed December 20, 2017 jhd
6. ↑ Taylor, Pamela. "Ingelric, Count Eustace and the Foundation of St Martin-le-Grand." Anglo-Norman Studies Volume 24 (2001) pages 215-237. Bibliography entry at Foundation for Medieval Genealogy (accessed 6 September 2023).
7. ↑ ^{7.0 7.1 7.2} Wikipedia. St. Martin's Le Grand Accessed Dec 22, 2017. jhd
8. ↑ [1]
9. ↑ Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com. Page: Leo van de Pas, 1 Jan 2001. Cited by Weber.
10. ↑ Charles Cawley, Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, Medieval Lands Database William the Conqueror
11. ↑ Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry (2013) Volume I, page 1
12. ↑ Wikipedia. [2]
13. ↑ J. Y. W. Lloyd of Clochfaen, Esq. "The Lordship of Whittington," in The History of the Princes, the Lords Marcher, and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog and the Ancient Lords of Arwystli, Cedewen, and Meirionydd. Volume III. London” T. Richards, 1882. p. 381 https://books.google.com/books?id=jz0LAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA381&lpg=PA381&dq=%22Rhys+Sais%22&source=bl&ots=b4QKi-FPYW&sig=jJoFnPZh1-kbKQpiblRydlRPbpA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDkQ6AEwBGoVChMI4NWUh_XMxwIVyBo-Ch14gADR#v=onepage&q=%22Rhys%20Sais%22&f=false