William John (abt. 1830 - 1885)

Born about 1830 in Glamorgan, Wales, United Kingdom

Husband of Ellen John — married about Jun 1872 (to 2 Apr 1874) in Pontypridd, Glamorgan, Wales, United Kingdom [uncertain]

Died 24 Feb 1885 at about age 55 in Pontypridd, Glamorgan, Wales, United Kingdom

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Biography

William John was born in Glamorgan, Wales.

William John was born about 1830. See Research Notes below for possible matches.

In the 1871 Census, William John (born 1831 in St Mary Hill, Glamorganshire and employed as a Coker - a person who cleans fireplaces) was living in Hafodrinog, Llanwonno, Glamorganshire, Wales ^[1] with his wife, Ellen John, a Dress Maker born in 1844 in Cowbridge and their nephew James Morris, aged 6 and born in London.

According to an entry in a family bible held by David Stephens, William John(s) passed away aged 55 on 24 February 1885 and his death was registered in Pontypridd in the March quarter 1885. ^[2]

Research Notes

Another profile for William John (1830-1885) has been created to explore a number of research strategies, and these two profiles for William John should be merged once a verified profile has been finalised.

Possible Match 1: In the 1841 Census, William was living in Penlline in the Cowbridge and Bridgend District with his parents, Thomas John (an Agricultural Labourer) and Barbara (David) John (both born about 1806 in Glamorgan). ^{[3] [4]} Also in the household were his siblings:

• Martha John born 1829 in Penlline, Glamorganshire;
• Richard John born 1833;
• Edward John born 1835;
• Margaret John born 1837; and
• Job John born 1839 with Mother's maiden name David.

In the 1851 Census, William John (aged 21 and employed as a Boatman) and his sister Margaret (employed as a House Servant) were lodging with William (a Boatman) and Ann Thomas in Eglwysilan, Glamorganshire, Wales. ^[5]

Where was William in the 1861 Census?

Possible Match 2: William John was born in Glamorgan in 1830 and christened on 28 November 1830 in Coity, Glamorgan, Wales. ^[6] His parents were David and Mary John.

In the 1841 Census, was living in Coity, Glamorgan, Wales (in the Bridgend & Cowbridge Registration District) ^[7] with his parents, David (born 1802-1806) and Mary (born 1802-1806) John, and his siblings:

• David John born 1828;
• Richard John born 1833;
• Margaret John born 1836; and
• John John born 1839.

All family members were born in Bridgend, Glamorgan. John John was baptised in 1839 in Coity, Glamorgan, Wales and his father David was a Victualler. The family was living at the Oak & Ash Old Castle in Coity. Maiden name of Mary probably either Griffith or Phillip, from GRO for birth of son John John.

In the 1851 Census, William aged 20 and working as a Blacksmith, was still living with his father David John (now a widower) who was working as a Pig Dealer & Publican in Coity, Glamorgan, Wales. ^[8] The following siblings were also in the household:

• Richard John;
• Margaret John; and
• John John.

Where was William in the 1861 Census?

Possible Match 3: William John was born in Bridgend, Glamorgan in 1830 and christened on 1 December 1830 in Bridgend, Glamorgan, Wales. ^[9] His parents were Thomas and Rebeka John.

In the 1841 Census, William (aged 10) was at home in Coity, Glamorgan, Wales ^[10] with his parents, Thomas (born in Pile, Glamorganshire in 1792-1796) and Rebeka (born in Llangynwyd, Glamorganshire in 1787-1791) John, and his siblings:

• Evan John born 1819-1823;
• David John born 1827; and
• Margaret John born 1833.

Thomas and Rebeka can be found in Coity, Glamorgan in the Census for 1851, 1861 and 1871 without son William John.

Where was William in the 1851 Census and 1861 Census?

Possible Match 4: William John was born in Llansanor, Glamorgan in 1831. His parents were William and Catherine John.

In the 1841 Census, William was living with his parents, William (born 1797-1801) and Catherine (born 1802-1806) John, in St Bride's Minor, Glamorgan, Wales. ^[11] Also in the household were his siblings:

• Catherine John born 1829;
• John John born 1833;
• David John born 1835;
• Rachel John born 1836;
• Thomas John born 1837; and
• Baby Ann John born 1841 with Mother's maiden name John, ^[12]

In the 1851 Census, William was living with his parents, William (born 1797-1801) and Catherine (born 1802-1806) John, in Llantrisaint, Glamorganshire, Wales. ^[13]

Where was William in the 1861 Census?

Possible Match 5: William John born in Llanblethion, Glamorganshire and christened in Maendy Independent on 18 February 1831. ^{[14] [15]} His parents were Thomas and Ann John.

Where was William in the various Census?

Sources

1. ↑ 1871 Census: "England and Wales Census, 1871", database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V51C-429 : 28 September 2019), William John, 1871.
2. ↑ Death: England & Wales General Register Office, GRO Online Index - Death (https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content : accessed 4 May 2021), database entry for JOHN, WILLIAM. (Age at death: 55). GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 293.
3. ↑ 1841 Census: (https://www.ancestry.co.uk/sharing/24104999?h=2a1f8c&utm_campaign=bandido-webparts&utm_source=post-share-modal&utm_medium=copy-url)
4. ↑ "England and Wales Census, 1841," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7WW-FL1 : 25 May 2019), William John in household of Thomas John, Penllyn, Glamorgan, Wales, United Kingdom; from "1841 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.
5. ↑ 1851 Census; "England and Wales Census, 1851," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG8V-F7T : 8 November 2019), William John in household of William Thomas, Eglwysilan, Glamorganshire, Wales; citing Eglwysilan, Glamorganshire, Wales, p. 40, from "1851 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives of the UK, Kew, Surrey.
6. ↑ Possible Birth 2: "Wales Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X1TQ-TZR : 10 February 2020), William John, 1830.
7. ↑ 1841 Census: "England and Wales Census, 1841," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7W7-YYN : 25 May 2019), William John in household of David John, Coity, Glamorgan, Wales, United Kingdom; from "1841 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.
8. ↑ 1851 Census: "England and Wales Census, 1851," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG8V-V5W : 8 November 2019), William John in household of David John, Coyty, Glamorganshire, Wales; citing Coyty, Glamorganshire, Wales, p. 2, from "1851 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives of the UK, Kew, Surrey.
9. ↑ Possible Birth 3: "England and Wales Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8), 1588-1977," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F7L7-F5F : 11 December 2014), William John, 01 Dec 1830, Baptism; citing p. 64 & 65, Bridgend, Glamorganshire, record group RG4, Public Record Office, London.
10. ↑ 1841 Census: "England and Wales Census, 1841," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7W7-BQM : 25 May 2019), William John in household of Thomas John, Coity, Glamorgan, Wales, United Kingdom; from "1841 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.
11. ↑ 1841 Census: "England and Wales Census, 1841," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7W7-R7Z : 25 May 2019), William John in household of William John, St Bride's Minor, Glamorgan, Wales, United Kingdom; from "1841 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.
12. ↑ England & Wales General Register Office, GRO Online Index - Birth (https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content : accessed 12 May 2021), database entry for JOHN, ANN (Mother's maiden surname: JOHN). GRO Reference: 1841 J Quarter in BRIDGEND AND COWBRIDGE Volume 26 Page 351.
13. ↑ 1851 Census: "England and Wales Census, 1851," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG8X-54G : 8 November 2019), William John in household of Catherine John, Llantrisaint, Glamorganshire, Wales; citing Llantrisaint, Glamorganshire, Wales, p. 16, from "1851 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives of the UK, Kew, Surrey.
14. ↑ Possible Birth 5: "England and Wales Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8), 1588-1977," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F7QX-HVZ : 11 December 2014), William John, 18 Feb 1831, Baptism; citing p. 15, Llanblethion, Glamorganshire, record group RG4, Public Record Office, London.
15. ↑ "Wales Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X1YW-9RJ : 10 February 2020), William John, 1831.