John Griffith John (1776)

Born 1776 in Lampeter Valley

Husband of Martha (Smith) John — married about 1798 in Lampeter Velfrey [uncertain]

Descendants

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Biography

John was born in 1776.

Sources

The non primary sources led us to the records...

One source is an Ancestry.com tree and the other is the My Heritage tree attached to Gwyn John who is a DNA match to Varey-8

So... this is speculative work.

There is confusion about his name... John Griffith John? Or John Griffith?

Or Griffith John?

NON-PRIMARY SOURCES

• Ancestry

John Griffith John

Christening 20 OCT 1776 • Lampeter-Velfrey,Pembroke,Wales

MARR 2 NOV 1798 • Lampeter Velfrey, Pembrokeshire, Wales Martha Smith (1776–)

Birth of daughter Margaret John(1799–) ABT 9 JUN 1799 • Carmarthenshire, Wales

Birth of son William John(1811–1874) BET 1811 AND 1812 • Pembrokeshire, Wales

Death of son William John(1811–1874) BET APR 1874 AND JUN 1874 • Narberth, Pembrokeshire, Wales

Parents John Rowland Jane

PRIMARY SOURCES

BIRTH

This birth is obviously the source for the above, but was he the father of William John b 1811 m Hannah David?

• Griffith John

in the Wales, Select Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907 Name: Griffith John Gender: Male Baptism Date: 20 Oct 1776 Baptism Place: Lampeter-Velfrey,Pembroke,Wales Father: John Rowland Mother: Jane FHL Film Number: 105148

MARRIAGE

I cannot fond the marriage to Martha Smith 1798 Lampeter Vefrey...

margaret Smith's parents are purported to be David William and Elizabeth Philip...

I can find only this marriage... for Griffith John and a Rachel for 1809, which would fit with birth of son, but ... not daughter Margaret.

• Griffith John in 1809

Pembrokeshire Marriages And Banns Lampeter Velfrey, Pembrokeshire, Wales Transcript of Griffith's record First name(s) Griffith Spouse's last name Phillip Last name John Spouse's birth year - Birth year - Spouse's residence Lampeter Velfrey Event year 1809 County Pembrokeshire Banns year - Country Wales Marriage year 1809 Event Marriage Marriage date 31 Dec 1809 Record set Pembrokeshire Marriages And Banns Marriage place Lampeter Velfrey Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Residence Egermond Subcategory Parish Marriages Spouse's first name(s) Machel Collections from Wales, Great Britain

Must be Rachel. Does not accord, but may be right...

Now

DAUGHTER

This was prompted, but are these records connected? This could presume a marriage in 1798 to Martha Smith (?) b 1776 (?) It accords with the Ancestry.com tree, but this Margaret's father was a John Griffith according to the record, but a Griffith John... and mother was Martha (?). Perhaps it was a Martha John...

• Margaret John

in the Wales, Select Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907 Name: Margaret John Gender: Female Baptism Date: 09 Jun 1799 Baptism Place: Lampeter-Velfrey,Pembroke,Wales Father: John Griffith Mother: Martha FHL Film Number: 105148

SON

William b 1811 according to Ancestry.com...but no record... He was born in Fishguard according to the censuses, and married in that area also, but then died in Narberth... (?)... as did his father Griffith John... So did Griffith John go to Fishguard?

POSS DEATH

• Griffith John in 1852

England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Narberth, Pembrokeshire, Wales Transcript of Griffith's record Copy to clipboard First name(s) Griffith District Narberth Last name John County Pembrokeshire Gender Male Volume 11A Birth day - Page 330 Birth month - Country Wales Birth year - Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Age - Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Death quarter 3 Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials Death year 1852 Collections from Great Britain, Wales

And another:

• Griffith John in 1853

England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Narberth, Pembrokeshire, Wales Transcript of Griffith's record First name(s) Griffith District Narberth Last name John County Pembrokeshire Gender Male Volume 11A Birth day - Page 413 Birth month - Country Wales Birth year - Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Age - Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Death quarter 2 Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials Death year 1853 Collections from Great Britain, Wales

RESEARCH...

Did he have a son Griffith John?

(Seems this is not his son... this one has father Stephen...)

• Griffith John in 1838

Pembrokeshire Marriages And Banns Llawhaden, Pembrokeshire, Wales Transcript of Griffith's record First name(s) Griffith Spouse's last name Williams Last name John Spouse's age Full Age Full Spouse's birth year - Birth year - Spouse's father's last name Williams Event year 1838 Spouse's father's first name(s) Edward Banns year - County Pembrokeshire Marriage year 1838 Country Wales Marriage date 28 Aug 1838 Event Marriage Marriage place Llawhaden Record set Pembrokeshire Marriages And Banns Father's first name(s) Stephen Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Father's last name John Subcategory Parish Marriages Spouse's first name(s) Mary Collections from Wales, Great Britain Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru

• Griffith John in 1841

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Pen Fordd, Bletherston, Narberth, Pembrokeshire, Wales Household members (3 people) First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place Griffith John Male 25 1816 Pembrokeshire, Wales Mary John Female 25 1816 Pembrokeshire, Wales Stephen John Male 1 1840 Pembrokeshire, Wales Transcript of Griffith's record First name(s) Griffith Registration district Narberth Last name John Sub district Llandissilio Sex Male Family member first name(s) Stephen, Mary Age 25 Family member last name John Birth year 1816 Archive reference HO107 Birth county Pembrokeshire Piece number 1445 Birth county as transcribed PEMBROKESHIRE Book number 2 Birth place other Wales Folio number 6 Occupation - Page number 15 Full address Pen Fordd, Bletherston, Narberth, Pembrokeshire, Wales Schedule 187 Street Pen Fordd Record set 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Parish or township Bletherston Category Census, land & surveys County Pembrokeshire Subcategory Census Country Wales Collections from Great Britain, Wales © FindMyPast

• Griffith John in 1851

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Cefn, Egremont, Narberth, Pembrokeshire, Wales Household members (10 people) First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Griffith John Head Married Male 35 1816 Railway labourer Maenclochog, Pembrokeshire, Wales Mary John Wife Married Female 37 1814 - Lampeter Velfrey, Pembrokeshire, Wales Stephen John Son - Male 11 1840 - Bletherston, Pembrokeshire, Wales Edward John Son - Male 8 1843 - Bletherston, Pembrokeshire, Wales Griffith John Son - Male 0 1851 - Egremont, Carmarthenshire, Wales David John Son - Male 3 1848 - Egremont, Carmarthenshire, Wales William Johnson Lodger Married Male 40 1811 Railway labourer Oxford, Oxfordshire, England Jane Johnson Lodger - Female 30 1821 - Alhampton, Somerset, England Edward Johnson Lodger - Male 1 1850 - Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Timothy Kelly Lodger Unmarried Male 35 1816 Railway labourer Ireland Transcript of Griffith's record First name(s) Griffith Parish Egremont Last name John County Pembrokeshire Relationship Head Division of county Egremont Parish Carmarthen and Hamlet of Grondre Pembro Marital status Married Country Wales Sex Male Registration district Narberth Age 35 Sub district Llandissilio Birth year 1816 Enumeration district 10 & 11 Birth town Maenclochog Archive reference HO107 Birth town as transcribed Maenclochog Piece number 2475 Birth county Pembrokeshire Folio 256 Birth county as transcribed Pembrokeshire Page 5 Birth place Wales Schedule 15 Occupation Railway labourer Record set 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Full address Cefn, Egremont, Narberth, Pembrokeshire, Wales Category Census, land & surveys House name Cefn Subcategory Census Street - Collections from Great Britain, Wales

This looks like a dead end.

Here's another, next generation down...

He is the son of Benjamin John b abt 1811 and Hannah (?) john b abt 1816

Looks like Lewis... another dead end?

• Griffith John in 1840

England & Wales Births 1837-2006 Narberth, Pembrokeshire, Wales Transcript of Griffith's record First name(s) Griffith Country Wales Last name John Volume 26 Birth quarter 1 Page 614 Birth year 1840 Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006 Mother's maiden name Hanah Lewis Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records District Narberth Subcategory Civil Births County Pembrokeshire Collections from Great Britain, Wales © brightsolid online publishing ltd

• Griffith John in 1841

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Llangwin, Llanycefn, Narberth, Pembrokeshire, Wales Household members (8 people) First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place Benjamin John Male 30 1811 Pembrokeshire, Wales Hannah John Female 25 1816 Pembrokeshire, Wales Phoebe John Female 8 1833 Pembrokeshire, Wales Rebecca John Female 6 1835 Pembrokeshire, Wales Sarah John Female 4 1837 Pembrokeshire, Wales Griffith John Male 1 1840 Pembrokeshire, Wales Phoebe David Female 25 1816 Pembrokeshire, Wales Ann Richard Female 15 1826 Pembrokeshire, Wales Transcript of Griffith's record First name(s) Griffith Registration district Narberth Last name John Sub district Llandissilio Sex Male Family member first name(s) Phebe, Rebecca, Ann, Sarah, Hannah, Benjamin Age 1 Family member last name David, John, Richard Age as transcribed 15 months Archive reference HO107 Birth year 1840 Piece number 1445 Birth county Pembrokeshire Book number 11 Birth county as transcribed PEMBROKESHIRE Folio number 16 Birth place other Wales Page number 7 Occupation - Schedule 574 Full address Llangwin, Llanycefn, Narberth, Pembrokeshire, Wales Record set 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Street Llangwin Category Census, land & surveys Parish or township Llanycefn Subcategory Census County Pembrokeshire Collections from Great Britain, Wales Country Wales

• Griffith John in 1851

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Llangwm, Llanycefn, Narberth, Pembrokeshire, Wales Household members (11 people) Copy to clipboard First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Benjamin John Head Married Male 41 1810 Farmer Llanycefn, Pembrokeshire, Wales Hannah John Wife Married Female 36 1815 - Llandissilio, Pembrokeshire, Wales Phoebe John Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1833 Farmer's daughter Llanycefn, Pembrokeshire, Wales Rebecca John Daughter Unmarried Female 15 1836 Farmer's daughter Llanycefn, Pembrokeshire, Wales Sarah John Daughter - Female 13 1838 Scholar Llanycefn, Pembrokeshire, Wales Griffith John Son - Male 11 1840 Scholar Llanycefn, Pembrokeshire, Wales Richard John Son - Male 8 1843 Scholar Llanycefn, Pembrokeshire, Wales Stephen John Son - Male 5 1846 - Llanycefn, Pembrokeshire, Wales Margaret John Daughter - Female 3 1848 - Llanycefn, Pembrokeshire, Wales Elizabeth John Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Llanycefn, Pembrokeshire, Wales Thomas Evan Servant Unmarried Male 19 1832 Farm servant Llandissilio, Pembrokeshire, Wales Transcript of Griffith's record Copy to clipboard First name(s) Griffith Parish Llanycefn Last name John County Pembrokeshire Relationship Son Division of county Pembroke Marital status - Country Wales Sex Male Registration district Narberth Age 11 Sub district Llandissilio Birth year 1840 Enumeration district 8 Birth town Llanycefn Archive reference HO107 Birth town as transcribed Llanycefn Piece number 2475 Birth county Pembrokeshire Folio 208 Birth county as transcribed Pembrokeshire Page 13 Birth place Wales Schedule 53 Occupation Scholar Record set 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Full address Llangwm, Llanycefn, Narberth, Pembrokeshire, Wales Category Census, land & surveys House name Llangwm Subcategory Census Street - Collections from Great Britain, Wales © brightsolid online publishing ltd