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Nancy Talbot (Jones) Lucas (1806 - 1881)

Nancy Talbot Lucas formerly Jones
Born in Georgiamap
Wife of — married 18 Dec 1825 in Jackson Twp., Shelby County, Indianamap
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Descendants of Nancy Talbot Jones

Nancy Talbot Jones b: 1806 in Georgia d: June 10, 1881 in home at South Santa Monica (now Ocean Park), Los Angeles Co., CA Cause of death: accidental poisoning, using strychnine in her garden Burial: 1881 buried in Woodlawn Cem, Santa Monica (L.A. City) CA, tall monument .. +John G. _Lucas b: November 03, 1794 in Parish & inner Borough of Southwark, London, England Emigration: May 30, 1821 London, England Immigration: Abt. June 1821 Baltimore, Baltimore Co., MD m: December 18, 1825 in Jackson Twp., Shelby Co., IN d: January 23, 1873 in Lucas Ranch, Santa Rosa, Sonoma Co., CA Cause of death: disease of heart Burial: 1873 tall monument at top of hill, Lucas-Green plot, Old Rural Cem., McDonald Ave., Santa Rosa, Sonoma Co., CA

  1. ........ 2 Elizabeth Ann Lucas b: November 08, 1826 in Shelby Co., IN d: September 11, 1828 in Shelby Co., IN
  2. ........ 2 James L. Lucas b: February 26, 1829 in Jackson Twp., Shelby Co., IN
  3. ........ 2 Lewis 'Lou' Lucas b: November 13, 1831 in Shelby Co., IN
  4. ........ 2 Eliza Nancy Lucas b: December 11, 1834 in Shelby Co., IN d: December 07, 1868 in Virginia City, Storey Co., NV Burial: 1868 tall monument at top of hill, Lucas-Green plot, Old Rural Cem., McDonald Ave., Santa Rosa, Sonoma Co., CA ............ +Christopher Columbus Green, Dr. b: 1828 in Ohio m: June 24, 1849 in Bloomfield, Davis Co., IA d: December 1876 in Santa Rosa, Sonoma Co., CA Cause of death: venereal disease, probably syphillis Burial: tall monument at top of hill, Lucas-Green plot, Old Rural Cem., McDonald Ave., Santa Rosa, Sonoma Co., CA
  5. ........ 2 John Henry _Lucas, Judge b: December 16, 1836 in Chambersburg, nw. Cain Twp. (now central ne. Veedersburg, Van Buren Twp.), Fountain Co., IN d: February 12, 1924 in Alameda Co. Hospital, San Leandro, Alameda Co., CA Cause of death: Cerebral Hemorrhage, Arterio Sclerosis Burial: February 15, 1924 Oakland CA Crematory ............ +Farina Maria 'Feen' Bentley b: March 02, 1844 in Mount Clemens, Macomb Co., MI m: September 22, 1859 in Bentley home, Bloomfield, Davis Co., IA d: February 10, 1924 in home of son Allen, Fresno, Fresno Co., CA
  6. ........ 2 Benjamin Willis Lucas b: April 14, 1840 in near Chambersburg, nw. Cain Twp. (now ne. Veedersburg, central Van Buren Twp.), Fountain Co., IN? d: October 1871 in ranch at Ojai, Ventura Co., CA Cause of death: tuberculosis of the lungs Burial: 1871 Ventura, Ventura Co., CA ............ +Julia Williams b: Bet. 1847 - 1848 in Missouri m: Abt. 1867 in near Santa Rosa, Sonoma Co., CA?
  7. ........ 2 Edward 'Lutz' Lucas b: May 01, 1842 in Chambersburg (now ne. Veedersburg), Van Buren Twp., Fountain Co., IN d: February 04, 1882 in Duarte, Los Angeles Co., CA Burial: 1882 Bentley Plot, Compton Cem. (now Woodland Memorial Park), Los Angeles Co., CA ............ +Sylvia Louise Bentley b: April 30, 1854 in Macomb, Macomb Co., MI m: February 17, 1876 in house in Compton, Los Angeles Co., CA d: July 03, 1944 in near Whittier, Los Angeles Co., CA Burial: 1944 Rose Hills Memorial Cem., Whittier, Los Angeles Co., CA
  8. ........ 2 Unnamed Lucas b: 1847 in Santa Rosa, Sonoma Co., CA d: 1847 in Santa Rosa, Sonoma Co., CA

May 22, 1873 sold Lucas Ranch, Santa Rosa, CA [now Old Rural Cem] for $41, 500, "the highest price ever paid for real estate in Sonoma Co." April 12, 1879 company was formed with son JHL to build the original Santa Monica pier, offer 30, 000 shares @ $10.00 each

Abt. 1874 bought a parcel from son J. H. Lucas, Los Angeles Co., CA

Aft. 1874 bought 1200 acre farm, Rancho Rodeo de las Aguas, [West Hollywood], Los Angeles Co., CA

Aft. 1874 bought 1200 acres, Santa Monica Heights, at end of Laurel Canyon, Brea Ranch, Brea Oil Fields (now West Hollywood), Los Angeles Co., CA

Aft. 1874 bought 760 acres s. Santa Monica, between Front St. [now Pico Blvd.] and Ocean Park Blvd., built Lucas Mansion on hill facing ocean [now Woodlawn Cem?]

June 02, 1874 bought 861.430 acres from Machados, of Rancho Rodeo de las Aguas, stretching from San Vincente Rancho on north, to s. border of Santa Monica, $14 per acre

June 02, 1874 sold 50-acre tract of South Santa Monica fronting the ocean (now Ocean Park) to Ivar E. Weid, 370 feet ocean frontage 5 minutes walk from the wharf, $1400

Abt. 1875 sold 640 acres e. Santa Monica [West Hollywood] farm to son John for $12, 000

Abt. 1875 sold remaining 560 acres e. Santa Monica [West Hollywood] farm to Hancock and Weed

1875 house built by C. W. Davis at cost of $7, 000.00, in South Santa Monica, CA [Ocean Park], between Strand St. & Hill St., and 3rd St. & 4th St. (now Mary Hotchkiss Park) 1875 built 2-story house atop little hill on 861 acre ranch for $12,000, South Santa Monica (now Ocean Park) between Strand St. & Hill St., and 3rd St. & 4th St. (now Mary Hotchkiss Park)

Aft. 1875 took back son John's 640 acres e. Santa Monica [West Hollywood] on mortgage

1879 financed with JHL building a road to L.A. with a 20 year franchise from the County Supervisors, Los Angeles Co., CA

1879 involved with son JHL in building a 1500 foot long warehouse

1880 farms, La Ballona, Los Angeles Co., CA 1880 La Ballona Twp., Los Angeles Co., CA

Abt. 1881 donated Woodlawn Cem property to Santa Monica

Abt. 1881 Lucas Mansion burned to the ground

Abt. 1881 N. T. Lucas sold parcel to F. B. Clark, Los Angeles Co., CA

1881 640 acres e. Santa Monica sold at auction

1881 South Santa Monica house was sold to Miss Mary Green

Aft. 1881 South Santa Monica house home of Mary Green & Dan Mooney

Aft. 1886 South Santa Monica house home of Mary Green Mooney & Col. A. B. Hotchkiss

December 1904 South Santa Monica house burned down

from Carrie Ann Partridge, abt 1950:

Evidently they [Lucas brothers] had money, for they went into business together in a General Merchandise Store, in Chambersburg, Shelly Co. [later Washington Co.? now Orange Co.], Indiana. Here in 1825 they married sisters [Matilda and Nancy].

Anyway, after his [husband John] death [1873], his wife Nancy, sold out [of Santa Rosa, CA ranch for $41,500] & went to Southern California. She bought a farm of 1200 acres, 7 miles from L.A. bet. L.A. & Santa Monica; she sold 640 acres to John Henry Lucas her son, for $12000; the balance (560) acres she sold to Hancock and Weed. In 1880 she took John's back on a mortgage, & it was sold at an auction sale. She had also bought 760 acres in South Santa Monica - where she built on the hill - facing the ocean - a very large house. It was called by the residents of Santa Monica, "The Lucas Mansion" - after her death this mansion was burned to the ground. She was buried on her own property in the cemetery [Woodlawn Cemetery, Santa Monica CA] she had donated to Santa Monica.

from Oakland Tribune article, reprint from Los Angeles Daily News, 1998:

Santa Monica clearly has changed from the quiet, conservative community founded in 1886 into a thriving city of 90,000 residents that draws more than 2 million tourists annually and is a bustling hub of entertainment, shopping and trendy restaurants.

from John LeRoy Humbert, Jr., Feb 1999:

Nancy Lucas moved to Santa Monica after John died. John Henry bought some realestate from her there which she later foreclosed on!. We did a lot of tracking on John, Nancy and John Henry via deed books in Santa Rosa and the L.A. area about 30 years ago. I pretty sure that after Elko, John Henry's base of operations was in CA. They still had plenty of relations in the midwest and visits etc. went back and forth. One member of the Sessions branch was an engineer/surveyor. He surveyed Nancy Lucas' land in Ranco Rodeo de las Aguas, and we used to have a subdivision map of Santa Monica drawn on linen (went the way of the stock certificates) drawn by him.

Nancy Lucas' home in Santa Monica was built by C.W.Davis for a construction cost of $7,000.00 which doesn't sound like much now but was a bunch a century and a quarter ago.

On April 12, 1879 JHL and Nancy were at a meeting at the United States Hotel in Santa Monica where a company was formed to build the original Santa Monica pier. They decided to offer 30,000 shares @ $10.00 each. Pres. of company Ivar Reid, Sec. Oscar Himble.  That same year JLH and Nancy were involved in building a 1500 foot long warehouse (may have taken over a failed project), and building a road to L.A. with a 20 year franchise from the County Supervisors.

Nancy Talbot Jones Lucas was apparently quite a business woman, and a rip in general. Carrie said she used to carry a walking stick and would use it to trip children that ran in her house, also to beat Mexicans tha worked for her that she thought were lazy. The official cause of her death was accidental poisoning, the assumption being that she had been using strychnine in her garden and had not washed her hands properly. I've always wondered if she was helped on her way.

One tidbit regarding Nancy's grave.

I no longer hav a photo of the monument down in Sta. Monica, but as you may recall  she and John purchased a lot of their property in Sta. Rosa from Julio Carrillo. He was a brother in law to Gen. Vallejo. Many of the Carrillo family still reside in Sta. Rosa.

One member of that family was Leo Carrillo who was a regular feature in the Rose Parade in Pasadena every year, he appeared in many films with Wallace Beery, and was 'Poncho" sidekick to the Cisco Kid in the westerns.

Leo is buried in the plot next to Nancy's, and his ranch in the area may be on land that was owned by the Lucas family (rumor that has not been checked out yet).

Apparently the ties to the Carrillo family traveled to Sta. Monica from Sta. Rosa.

Attachment 2 Lucas gives legal description of 3 parcels. The first was purchased from Andres and Rafael Machado by Nancy in 1874 and contains 861,430 acres. This was the old land grant of Rancho Rodeo de las Aguas.

Attachment 3Lucas is the Sessions map of that parcel. The dark bar is the bottom of the sketch. The short side of the parcel along the coast of the Pacific is 3 miles long.

It is from parcels such as this that the great piles of worthless stock were generated from (see earlier ms.).

Measurements on the map are in chains (I've not taken the time to calculate whether Gunter Chains or 100' chains, looks like Gunters). > > The map is recorded in book 6, page 221. > > My parents got Sta. Monica land data from a title company microfilm file and from the county during the 1950's and 60's.

I'm afraid the original is really bad, most of it faded to the point I can't read it. Also, the sheet obviously did not get all of the parcel as the original was larger than letter size.    My understanding is that Edgar S. prepared the map, it was drawn on cloth rather than paper. The copy I have is an early xerox of a page out of a book of maps which contained a photo of the original.   The meets and bounds description is on the other side of the same piece of paper. Nancy sold 50 acres that same day, perhaps part of the piece purchased.

I'd oticed that the streets seemed to run n-s that looked to be e-w on the map. I'm not sure what if anything the arrow at the bottom of the plat means. It obviously is not part of the orig. drawing. The subdivision shown woul total something less than 500 acres, so we know that Nancy had other property in the Sta. Monica area. Perhaps the house was not on this piece at all.

Carrie states that Nancy donated property for the cem. But she also has comments about donated land in Sta. Rosa being used for purposes other than intended. I checked the title history of the property there in the 1960's, and found that the family never did own it or donate it. Family stories may often reflect somebody's interpretation of something heard as a child. That's the nature of the beast, and of historical research in general.

I think the Machado family were in the L.A.County area from Mexican or Spanish times. I don't think they were in Sta. Rosa. The Carrillo family was in Sta. Rosa (some still are). and were an old established family (Leo Carrillo could trace back to a member of the DeAnza expedition, was related to Pio Pico, etc- he is buried in plot next to Nancy's). Julio Carrillo was brotherinlaw to Gen. Vallejo.

According to Carrie (verbal about 1960), Nancy was not a pleasant person to be around at times. Carrie said that Nancy did not hesitate to whip her Mexican workers, and was known to use a cane to trip children running around the house, then laugh at them (first-hand experience I think). I believe the poison she died from was strychnine which is a nasty way to go.


The Lucas Plot, from Steve Mix, Feb 1999:

It looks like the old streets John named on the lower left, Bay, Ocean, and Pacific, are still there as Bay, Grant, and Pacific.  So I changed my mind about the location.  I would shift the map a bit to the south, to Ocean Park, rather than Santa Monica.  That fits then with the other comment, I think by Fenita, that the property was in Ocean Park.

If you look at the larger map of Santa Monica that I sent you, you can see that if you match up the plot map's Front St. with Pico Blvd, the streets on the lower left then break at the same angle on both maps, below Santa Monica and Compton Rd., which I am now sure is today's Lincoln Blvd.  And Lucas Ave. is still 4th St, in my judgment.

Then Woodlawn Cemetery is off the plot map, to the upper left of Front St.  Central Ave. would be today's Oak St., and the large 147-acre lot is now a subdivision of smaller streets. The unnamed street on the left of the plot map must be Ocean Park Blvd., with the municipal airport off the map on the southeast.

It's hard to say then where the house would have been.  The thing to do is to look at a topo map to find the hill.  I doubt they would have built an airport near a hill.  But then why is that 147 acres not subdivided in the plot map?

note by Steve

Fenita says Nancy bought 1200 acres, Santa Monica Heights, at end of Laura Canyon [should be Laurel Canyon], Brea Ranch [now West Hollywood].

I think she may be confusing two different sites.  Brea is just south of Brea Canyon, and Brea Oil Fields, Orange Co., CA.  It's 25 miles east of Santa Monica, northeast of Fullerton and Anaheim.  I suspect that Laura Canyon is Brea Canyon.

That's the first I have heard of them owning property that far out to the east.

from Fenita White journal, abt 1930:

Nancy moved to Santa Monica Calif. and bot two pcs of land - one 740A Ranch upon hts of Sta Monica where she built an unusually large, pretentious house for that time which could be seen for miles around. This property is now the site of Ocean Park. Another piece was 1200A 7 miles from L.A. in Hollywood & known as the Lucas Ranch. 1881- Nancy Lucas died 6/10/1881 and was buried in Sta Monica Cemetery. The autopsy revealed she had been poisoned by stryctnine and her chinese cook was brought to trial but was released, on account of insufficient proof. It was learned she had used strychnine for poisoning gophers from time to time.

[John L. Humbert, Jr..FTW]

BIO:A brief description of Nancy Talbot Jones' activities may be found in the biographical data for one of her sons, John Henry Lucas. The property she owned in Santa Monica was subdivided, and a map of that subdivision drawn on linen by Edgar Sessions* has passed back & forth among family members for several years, and I have lost track of it. * I had heard for years that John Sessions was the family member who drew this map, but the name of Edgar Sessions appears on the map of the Lucas tract in Sta. Monica. I do not find a John among the Sessions family members in Carrie Ann Lucas Partridge's journal. John may have been a nickname or middle name. In her old age, Nancy Talbot Jones is reported to have had something of a mean streak in her, and is supposed to have done such things as using a cane to knock the feet out from under family children running by her, used her buggy whip to beat the workers on her ranch (Rancho Rodeo de los Aquas) the exact circumstances of her death by poisoning have been a topic of discussion in the family for many years. In the ambrotype photograph taken of her and her husband John in 1850, she looks a lot sweeter and milder than family stories suggest she actually was. The largest single parcel that Nancy purchased in the Santa Monica area that I am aware of, she purchased from people named Machado , and contained 861,430*acres (1,346 square miles). She paid $7,000 for her house in 1875, which was built by C.W. Davis. This house burned down shortly after Nancy's death, it has been described as a mansion. *computed and mapped by Edgar Sessions She had financial interests in the original Santa Monica Pier, as well as enterprises such as warehouses, and other such commercial properties. Judging by her ability to garner wealth, she may have been the reason for John Lucas' success in Indiana, and Sta.Rosa. It is plain that John Henry Lucas did not have 'the touch'. While visiting the site of Wormslo (Wormsloe? Wormslow?) plantation in Georgia, just out of Savannah, I spoke with a ranger-historian on duty there about Nancy. He felt that she was probably one of the descendants of Noble Jones, and the local Talbot family. When I made a donation to the Georgia State Historical Society, and asked them to check existing records, they informed me that they could neither confirm nor deny the connection to Noble Jones due to the nonexistence of records from that early era. Lucas Blvd. in Santa Monica, CA is named for Nancy and family. Nancy is buried in Santa Monica, in the plot next to that of the Carrillo family (in which the actor, Leo Carrillo is buried). The cemetery is on land which she owned at one time. Friendship ties with the Carrillo family lasted for over a hundred years. -JH, Jr.1992

Conversations with Carrie Ann Lucas, and Alfred J. Preston Partridge. The Sessions maps of Santa Monica, the Lucas Tract, and Rancho Rodeo de las Aguas (the ranch of the twisting waters). Research data of John L. Humbert, Sr. Conversations with staff at Wormsloe Plantation, Georgia.

One recen message asked about a graphic that I believe I'd sent. I don't store the graphics after I send them, so won't have the file name that was mentioned. If I know more about the document I might be able to rescan it when I get home. If it is the one that shows Rancho Rodeo de las Aguas and the Pacific Coast, it is in very poor condition and not really decipherable to any great depth of detail.

The story in/re Nancy using her cane to trip children that ran in her house came from Carrie. Might have involved Carrie as well as she was born in 1865 and would have been a youngster when the Santa Monica pile was new. Nancy also supposedly drove a buggy around her properties and woul horse-whip farm workers she thought were not working hard enough. I think that, coupled with the suspicion on the cook, might be the source of family stories in/re her death might not have been an accident.


The family did own a large chunk of what is now the Sta. Rosa Rural Cemetery, sold it in 1867 (I have a photostat of the record).

The property I mentioned that the family did not own as near as I could find out (but which tradition said they had donated) was the former site of the County Courthouse in Sta. Rosa.

I believe the cemetery in Sta. Monica was at own time Lucas property.

I think the information in/re Leo Carrillo (first name was pronounced 'Lay-o" and the double 'l' in the last gets the Castillian pronounciatio of a combined 'L' ans 'Y' sound) I think came from my parents. Perhaps I misremembered and it was a Machado, but I don't think so. (buried next to Nancy]


from Carole Bartlett MacKay, Jul 1999:

The first is from the Daily Commercial, Sat., June 11, 1881. The second is from The L.A. Evening Express, Sat., June 11, 1881. Unfortunately, I did not have time to look for what happened next. It was very hard to find anything at all in these papers. The second is very hard to read, so I will write it here: "Mrs. Lucas, of South Santa Monica, mother of J.H. Lucas, Esq., died last night from the effects of poison. A messenger came to town this morning bringing  the intelligence and requesting the Coroner to go down and investigate the case. Coroner Nadeau left at 9 am  and is expected back at a late hour this afternoon. Meanwhile only the most meagre account of the catastrophe is obtainable. It is intimated that suspicion of administering the poison rests upon a Chinese cook, who has since made off and is nowhere to be found. Mrs. Lucas was well-advanced in years and possessed of considerable property."

[1880 census] I am convinced that Nancy Lucas was missed in this census. It is a pity. I spent hours pouring over Santa Monica area censuses last time and did not find her with Edward in the Calif. Soundex this time. Maybe her place was remote and the census taker didn't know...It is interesting that although Edward had his own place, that Ralph was born in 1882 at Santa Monica.Oh. That was after Nancy's death, so perhaps then JHL owned it. I will have to check.

i have been going through some more of my grandmothers old stuff. I have found a gold mine that will take some time to assimilate and distribute.

The first thing I have is a letter to Carrie 1928 from Ralph Lucas. It indicates that he had a bunch of Nancy Lucas' letters and, perhaps, the Lucas family Bible. I wonder what happened to all of it since he died. It also indicates that after Nancy Lucas bought property in Santa Monica, she made trips back to Santa Rosa. I wonder if I could find her in the Santa Rosa census for 1880? Probably not, since I didn't find her in the soundex, but who knows? I also thought that she could have been visiting one of her children. Anyway, the letter is rich with all kinds of info.

Since you are so busy, you can let me know when you want to receive it. I could, perhaps, send one thing per week.

Another exciting thing is that Fenita copied a bunch of letters, largely from Ap Bentley. It seems to me that you or John sent me something like this. I will look. But there is more than his trip to Calif. there.

Also, I have a number of letters from Ralph to Fenita that are quite interesting.


I accidentally came across a book on the history of Santa Monica that talks about Nancy Lucas and the Lucas Ranch in Santa Monica:

Call #979.41 L88In Ingersoll, Luther A., 1865- Ingersoll's century history, Santa Monica Bay cities Los Angeles, L.A. Ingersoll, 1908.

pp. 167, 244, 245, 248, 265

from the Central L.A. Library-History Dept Location: reference Not checked out. ] I wonder if I could get this through interlibrary loan. If it's ref., it probably can't be checked out.

Had a very hectic, but good trip to Calif. I had a chance to do a small amount of research. Fortunately, the records office for births, deaths, and marriages is quite close to where my daughter lives. One can go into the basement and research the original documents. Unfortunately, they have not photocopied those very old books and they are in tatters. It is really a crime. Now I know why they couldn't find the death of Nancy Lucas. There are no records there for several years, including 1881, but there are for 75-77 and later in the 80's. It looks to me like those pages fell out in one piece and were lost. There are several loose sections and nothing is being done about it. Unfortunately, I didn't have all the records with me that I should have. WHen I return to LA I will spend another morning in that room.

Another interesting thing. We went to visit Nancy's grave. I wanted to see if it was as Carrie remembered up on a hill. At first, I was surprised that there was no hill in the cemetery. It was all relatively flat. But Nancy's grave was on the ocean side near the edge of the cemetery near Fourteenth St. We drove then down the hill. Below it are all the deluxe hotels on the water and to the left a little, if one is looking up the hill, the municipal buildings. If she was buried on her own property, it must have been the southern edge, don't you think? Here is a scan of the plan of the cemetery. The land starts to fall away from fourteenth st. down to the water. If Nancy was the only person buried there at that time, I could imagine her lone monument at the top of the hill overlooking the water.

I had an extremely interesting conversation with the business assistant of Woodlawn Cemeter, Phyllis Romieski. She had just been talking with one of the descendants of the Machado family that very morning. She is interested in writing a history of the cemetery. She had heard something about a woman being poisoned. SHe said the Machado family claims to have donated the cemetery to the city in about 1898. ANyway, she took my address and she gave me his address. From what we know and from that article John found on Ocean Park, it appears that Nancy bought the property when the Machado family was in financial straits sometime after 1873. Then, perhaps, after she died, the Machados once again acquired the property. Then they started burying their dead in the same location so that it became a cemetery. What do you think of this scenario? I will have to ask Phyllis if Nancy's death is the oldest in the cemetery. From what I saw, I think so. The Machados were buried later, it seems.

Anyway, I may be corresponding with her. She is interested in Newspaper accounts of Nancy's death and perhaps I could send the Sessions survey of her property. How do you feel about that? It isn't very nice that our Great-great grandmother would become known because she was so nasty that someone poisoned her, but it is interesting. It may find its way into the Santa Monica papers if a history is written. What do you think? I could also send the picture of her from 1850? with her husband, John. By the way, by playing with that second scan that John sent me, the most amazing details show up. Have you tried it? I will send it to you. Also, I could just send part of the picture with Nancy in it. What do you think?

Carole p.s. I may try to find the will and probate records of nancy. That would be enlightening. It would be interested to see which of her children got what. I have never search for legal records, so i will have to find out how. There are land records in the office for LA County that I looked in. I will be going to Sacramento this summer and could look in the state library.

note by Steve:

I think the Sessions map showed the property to the southeast of the cemetery, bordered by Pico Blvd. So perhaps the Machado property was the cemetery portion, that is off the northwest edge of the Sessions map.

So the hilltop is the entire cemetery, from your description. The property ran all the way down to 4th St., from the Sessions map. So the house would have been up the hill, on the back edge, north corner, of the property. Nancy was buried at 14th St., northwest of the edge of the property. So I would think the house was just southeast of that grave, on the other side of Front St. (now Pico Blvd.)

Your map showing the grave at the corner of Pico Blvd. and 14th St. makes perfect sense, if the house was on the other side of Pico Blvd. near 14th St., at the top of the hill.

from Carole Bartlett MacKay, Mar 2000:

The thing that is strange is that although it is called Rancho Rodeo de las Aguas, in the hand-written doc. John sent, it says that Andres and Rafael Machado sold 861.430 acres to Nancy Lucas on 6/2/1874, and this property was the N.W. corner of the Ballona Rancho and the s.E. corner of San Vicento Rancho. Confusing. Carole

note by Steve:

The location of Ballona Rancho makes sense because it was centered on Ballona Creek, which is just south of Marina Del Rey, a couple miles down the coast se. of Ocean Park.

So the inland Ocean Park area would indeed be the nw. corner of Ballona Rancho.

San Vincento Rancho was above Santa Monica, and the coast runs northwestward. I see that San Vincente Blvd. now runs west out to the coast above Santa Monica Beach. That may have been the border of San Vincento Rancho.


from Carole Bartlett MacKay, Mar 2000:

After reading again the life of JHL according to Fenita, it appears that the Brea Ranch was "now "(in 1930) known as the Brea Oil Fields. So it was La Brea in Hollywood. that is the property that Nancy forclosed on JHL. The Vernon Ranch, on the other hand, was apparently bought by jhl himself. Jhl took 640 acreas of the Brae Ranch. The property adjoining was owned by Hancock and Weed. The jhl fmaily had Christmas dinner with the Weeds. Carole

I forgot to tell you, I think, the exact location of Nancy's grave. " F Lot 93 Blk2"/ I took pictures, so will send you copies when they are developed. Carole

I looked again for Joneses. I should see if any of the other Joneses in other townships had the correct age to be the father of Nancy and Sarah. We know that two sisters would not have been living alone. I think theyw ere married in 1825. There would have been at least brothers....Anyway, we probalby shall never know. Carole

Are you guys ready for some fabulous info? This Ingersoll book was well worth waiting for through interlibrary loan. I have been waiting about a month.

Guess what? I may have unwittingly taken a picture of the location of the Lucas mansion. The location is pinpointed in this article. I saw this little park in Santa Monica and my imagination said, I wonder if the mansion could have been here. It was up on a rise overlooking the ocean. I will send you pictures. The book also seems to indicate that the woodlawn cemetery property was never a part of the Lucas ranch. The border of Santa Monica with Ocean Park was as far as her property went. it also says that the mansion burned in 1905 when the Mooneys owned it. I wonder if there are any existing pictures of the Mooney mansion. Anyway, you should love this.


Carole E. MacKay

from Steve:

I just realized that Mary Hotchkiss Park is named after Mary Green, who bought the house after Nancy died, then married Dan Mooney, then married A B Hotchkiss. So the park must be the home site!

Actually, when I typed in the intersection and the town of Santa Monica, it came up on the map there. So maybe the correct address is Santa Monica, not Ocean Park, even though it's closer to Ocean Park.

I don't know where the Santa Monica/Ocean Park border is, but it looks like it's probably Ocean Park Blvd. I guess that street and the others over toward Strand did not exist in 1908 when that book was published.

I don't have the Sessions map handy, but it would be easy to find the house on that map. It's a couple streets over from Pacific, below 4th. Both those streets were clearly labeled on the Sessions map, as I recall. (Also Bay St. was on there, and Pico Blvd. was Front St.)


Wow, in 1875 she sold 50 acres of waterfront, which would now be Ocean Park shoreline, 370 feet of prime beach, 5 minutes walk from the wharf!

Here is what happened to it. Take a look at the pictures of the wharf:

from UC Santa Barbara map collection web site,

Founding of Ocean Park

After Abbot Kinney built his summer home in Santa Monica in 1886, he became interested in land development along the Pacific Coast. Although the real estate market crash of 1888 derailed his plans to develop the area which is now Pacific Palisades, he shifted his attention to the coastal area south of Santa Monica in 1891.

Kinney and his partner Francis Ryan acquired a controlling interest in the Ocean Park Casino (actually a restaurant and tennis club) on June 23, 1891. Several months later they decided to purchase the surrounding tract of land for $175,000 from Captain Hutchinson, a British Army officer. The man had acquired the beach front property in the late 1870's when he foreclosed on a series of loans made to the Machado family on parts of their La Ballona Rancho.

The plot of land which extended 1-1/2 miles south of what is now Pico Boulevard in Santa Monica to Mildred Avenue in Venice, for the most part extended inland only 1000 feet, but curved eastward to a depth of half a mile along the southern end. The northern third located in Santa Monica had development potential, while the remainder in county territory was wetlands consisting of sand dunes and marsh.

from Carole Bartlett MacKay, May 2000:

I looked at a microfilm of the Outlook for 1904, hoping to see an article on the fire that destroyed the home of Mary Green Mooney Hotchkiss (the former Lucas house), but there was nothing. The textbook must have had the wrong date. Too bad. It took a long time to get it through library loan.

from Carole Bartlett MacKay, Jul 2000:


Just thought I would start with recent pictures. First in this bunch are ones of the Woodlawn Cemetery in Santa Monica. Note that the cemetery was founded in 1847, years before Nancy's death, so as we had figured, she must have never owned that property and Carrie and Fenita's notes were wrong about that.


Guys, Here are the pictures of the park I found which turned out to be the site of Nancy's house. The first one is looking up at the home site. i assume the building at the top of the hill is where nncy's house stood. The second is looking down the hill from that building. If there were not all the trees and buildings in the way, one could easily get a great view of the ocean.

from 1880 census:


Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace Nancy LUCAS Self W Female W 75 GA Farms GA GA James LUCAS Other S Male W 52 IN WI WI James TUCKER Other S Male W 44 CA --- --- TIBLETS Other S Male W 22 CA --- --- D. VALENZUELA Other W Male W 50 CA Laborer CA CA A. VEGA Other M Male W 22 CA Farm Hand CA CA G. RAYES Other M Male W 25 CA Farm Hand CA CA

Source Information: Census Place La Ballona, Los Angeles, California Family History Library Film 1254067 NA Film Number T9-0067 Page Number 458B

from Carole Bartlett MacKay, May 2004: Two entries from Index to Vital Data in Local Newspapers of Sonoma County California Vol I: 1855-1875. Sonoma County Gen Soc 2001 Heritage Books p.212 .john Lucas, probate, Russian River Flag (newspaper) May 22, 1873 p 2 col. 4.


  • Shirley Anne Elmore, 1997 - 1998.
  • Woodlawn Cemetery, Santa Monica CA, gravestone, name is Nancy T. Lucas.
  • Death Certificate, note: certificate is of son John Henry Lucas, lists mother as Martha Jones.
  • Carrie Ann Partridge, (abt 1885 - abt 1950).
  • Fenita "Domma's" White's notebook, abt 1930.
  • Carole Elizabeth Bartlett MacKay, 1999, note: found marriage in book, name Nancy Talberd Jones.
  • 1830 Census Indiana, note: no name, female 20-30.
  • Ancestral File, v.4.19, "Electronic," note: AFN: B91R-LB.
  • 1880 Census, La Ballona Twp., Los Angles Co., CA, note: has name Nancy Lucas.
  • Tombstone Epitaph Prospecter, June 18, 1881.

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