Veni Joyner
Honor Code SignatorySigned 1 Sep 2016 | 12,400 contributions | 469 thank-yous | 824 connections
Signed 1 Sep 2016 | 12,400 contributions | 469 thank-yous | 824 connections
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Veni Joyner
Born 1960s.
Ancestors 
Son of Harry Joyner
and [mother unknown]
Brother of
[private sister (1950s - unknown)] and [private sister (1960s - unknown)]
[children unknown]
Profile last modified
| Created 20 Aug 2016
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Veni Joyner is a member of the Joyner Name Study Project.
Veni Joyner participated with Joyner Joiners during the 2020 Connect-a-Thon, and added 246 connections.The Joyner Joiners Team on 246 connected profiles was Top 5 by Team Average
Veni Joyner participated with Mighty Oaks during the 2020 Source-a-Thon, adding sources to 12 previously unsourced profiles.
I found a date for 1 profiles during Friday Date Night!
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Biography
I have started a Joyner surname project, please join me!
Do list
- Add/Research 10 Orchard profiles
- do something about recording DNA matches
Why Wikitree?
Growing up in beautiful sunny Queensland, Australia in the 1960s and 70s, I enjoyed a carefree childhood within a strong family unit with pretty good ties to some extended family. I am blessed to be able to remember all my grandparents and although none of them lived nearby, my parents ensured that we visited them all on a regular basis as opportunity presented.
Dad's parents lived closer, living about an hour away from our home. So naturally as a family we visited my paternal grandparents more often. Usually we would visit on a Sunday afternoon by taking the scenic route home after the morning Church service. I remember my Joyner Grandparents as being housebound and not very mobile and they were being cared for by Dad's two maiden sisters, Joyce and Gladys. When we would visit, the aunts would meet us with the biggest smiles at the door and be the loving caring interested hosts to us (especially to us children), while our family visited with their parents.
The strongest memories I have of these times are of never being able to distinguish between Aunty Joyce (who was diminutive, cheerful with a hint of cheeky) and Aunty Gladys (who was big, warm hearted and gay - being of glad disposition). I can remember them giving me squeezes so hard I was worried I would burst out somewhere. I can remember Grandpa asking me what I had in the "box of tricks" I had with me. (showing interest in my toy box) I can remember Grandma in her wheelchair and later bedbound but sadly I can't remember anything distinctly of what she ever said to me.
Their home was a beautiful Queenslander with verandahs at front and northern side, of mainly wood construction, with a warm, cozy, neat and orderly central lounge with ancient carpet rugs and heavy curtains darkening the room in contrast to the bright, cool and airy feeling of the kitchen and dining rooms with hard surfaces and floors and lots of window space. There were 8 to 10 wide steps at the front but the back steps were standard width with about 15 to 20 treads.
Dad's parents were older and his father was the first of my grandparents to pass on and after a while spent in a nursing home, his mother also died. Unfortunately both of them died before I had any concept a family tree or that they may have had parents.
With Mum's parents being more than 3 hours way by car and her sister's family even further, we didn't visit as often but when we did we would sometimes spend more than a day - even a week - staying with them. Perhaps because of this or perhaps because I was older but I became acutely aware Mum's grandparents had had parents before them and grandparents and cousins and aunts, etc. Perhaps it was because my maternal Grandmother was a collector - of stamps, of family photos, and of family records, which she would always proudly display and willingly share with her young grandchildren at the slightest prompting.
For a long time I was aware of significant family trees on my Mum's side but on my father's side I could not even name his grandparents. At most I was aware that Dad's mother was somehow related to a Hoelsken family that had some German ancestry.
They say that mothers share their family tree more consistently than fathers, and this was true in my case but it was also true that my maternal family had a much greater depth of family tree knowledge than my paternal family and a much greater willingness to share and preserve it. This paradox even extended to inanimate objects such as grave headstones - On Dad's side the graves are mostly unmarked on my mother's side they are nearly always with readable headstones. It seems that even from beyond the grave Dad's family tree wishes to remain hidden while Mum's family tree overwhelms with information.
There was from within me a growing need to address this bias of information.
Sadly the fruits of my genealogical search while greatly increasing the knowledge of Dad's father's tree, has made only the slightest impression of the known heritage of his mother's side. The bias continues unabated. After slaving for days over hard to find records of some ancestor or relative on Dad's side, for light relief I will turn to search about some relative on Mum's side and soon be overwhelmed with new and interesting tales and information that bubbles up like the first twist of a lid off a fizzy drink.
So now we enter the DNA era - the genetic genealogy game - the Master mind like hunt. What will it bring? Will the bias rule the DNA as well? It seems it does. My Father and his siblings have all passed away. No first or second cousins have tested but at least I have matched with previously unknown relatives, 3rd and 4th/5th cousin on Dad's mother's Irish side.
It is going to take a while for me to get my father's tree built. So here I'm going to be exclusively doing my father's family tree. This one is for you Dad!
Dad's Great Great Grandparents
- George Joyner (abt.1796-abt.1885)
- + Caroline (Crump) Joyner (1796-abt.1867)
- George Beal Meadus (abt.1783-1816)
- + Ketura (Boyland) Dean (abt.1790-aft.1851)
- Elijah Wingham (abt.1767-abt.1831)
- + Elizabeth (White) Wingham (abt.1775-abt.1830)
- William Brice (1778-1847)
- + Elisabeth (Sillance) Brice (1791-1869)
- Peter Hoelsken (1800-)
- + Catherine GLASON (____-____)
- Johann Düllingen (abt.1800-)
- Samuel Graham Jnr. (1789-abt.1882)
- + Elizabeth Wallace (1800-)
- Thomas Woods (1784-1869)
- + Agnes (McMullan) Woods (1794-1854)
Dad's Great Great Great Grandparents
- Michael Joyner (1755-1816)
- + Ann Oxford (1757-1841)
- John CRUMP (____-____)
- + Lucy BAKER (____-____)
- William Medes (____-____)
- + Elizabeth unknownMedus (____-____)
- William Boyland (____-____)
- + Keturah Best (____-____)
- James Wingham (1745-1799)
- + Elizabeth Hunt (1746-1813)
- Charles White (1746-1832)
- + Elizabeth Fox (1749-1817)
- John Brice (____-____)
- + Ann unknownBrice (____-____)
- James Sillance (____-____)
- + Sarah unknownSillance (____-____)
- Samuel Snr. Graham (____-____)
Dad's Great Great Great Great Grandparents
- Harry Joyner (____-____)
- Thomas Wingham (____-____)
- + Mary Street (____-____)
- William White (____-____)
DNA Matches
- A match between two GEDmatch DNA kits (Joyner-762 and Affleck-219) has indicated that there may be a close DNA relationship between Mary Woods and Robert Woods - This needs more genealogical research
Digital Afterlife
19th January 2018
In the event of my untimely demise I want to be sure that none of my hard work on WikiTree ends up having to be deleted. In the event of my death I hereby give permission for all of my private profiles to be transferred to any of my family members or to any of the other wonderful WikiTreers who have collaborated with me.
My own personal profile will be left to Any of my siblings if they be willing or if they are not available then to any such trusted WikiTree Leaders to tend and weed. Please note that I shamelessly copied much of this paragraph from Mags Gaulden whom I admire for so very many reasons. - Veni
Interesting links
- Accumulated Wikitree DNA info from this links
- https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:DNATests&t=ftdna_mtdna&limit=10000&start=1
- https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:DNATests&t=ancestry_mtdna&limit=10000&start=1
- https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:DNATests&t=other_mtdna&limit=10000&start=1
- https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:DNATests&t=ftdna_ydna&limit=10000&start=1
- https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:DNATests&t=ancestry_ydna&limit=10000&start=1
- https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:DNATests&t=other_ydna&limit=10000&start=1
- https://plus.wikitree.com/default.htm?report=srch1&Query=4stars+Joyner-762&MaxProfiles=500&SortOrder=Default&PageSize=10
- https://plus.wikitree.com/default.htm?report=srch1&Query=5stars+Joyner-762&MaxProfiles=500&SortOrder=Default&PageSize=10
Sources
- First-hand information. Entered by V Joyner at registration.
Only the Trusted List can access the following:
- Veni's formal name
- e-mail address
- exact birthdate
- birth location
- private siblings' names
- spouse's name and marriage information
DNA Connections
It may be possible to confirm family relationships. Paternal line Y-chromosome DNA test-takers:
It may be possible to confirm family relationships. Paternal line Y-chromosome DNA test-takers:
- Veni Joyner: Family Tree DNA Y-DNA Test, haplogroup R-M269
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Genealogist-to-Genealogist (G2G) Forum posts about Veni:
- Veni Joyner is a Wonderful WikiTreer Apr 28, 2020.
- How do I get into wikitree programming Jun 23, 2018.
- Veni Joyner is a Wonderful WikiTreer Feb 25, 2018.
This week's connection theme is the Puritan Great Migration. Veni is 22 degrees from John Winthrop, 20 degrees from Anne Bradstreet, 20 degrees from John Cotton, 21 degrees from John Eliot, 22 degrees from John Endecott, 20 degrees from Mary Estey, 21 degrees from Thomas Hooker, 20 degrees from Anne Hutchinson, 22 degrees from William Pynchon, 21 degrees from Alice Tilley, 21 degrees from Robert Treat and 20 degrees from Roger Williams on our single family tree. Login to see how you relate to 33 million family members.
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I have just updated some baptism records for Hölsken. I have a question about Christina Gerhard (Deullingen) Hoelsken (abt.1823-1908). You have chosen the birth place Vorst, Markischer Kreis, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany. This is far away from the other places mentioned, Düsseldorf and Krefeld. There are many places called Vorst. Can you please give me the place name as mentioned in the "Hoelsken Family Register"? Same with the marriage place Grosersdorf? - your source is handwritten, can you maybe add a picture of the place name here? Maybe that helps to find the right places.
thanks for checking, so there is no further hint for the place there.
I have searched in other directions - have found a naturalization record for the son Theodore Joseph Hoelsken (1867-1942) who was also born in Vorst, further I have checked German newspapers.
I have updated the birth place to Vorst to this one: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorst_(T%C3%B6nisvorst).
Bettina
- in the Church books of St. Godehard, Tönisvorst (no idea where to find them - on in the Tönisvorst Archive: https://www.archive.nrw.de/kreisarchiv-viersen - or in the Landesarchiv Northrheinwestfalia.
The only thing I could find online are registers for Vorst, near the bottom of the page, click on the +- https://www.kreis-viersen.de/themen/bildung/kreisarchiv/bestaende
There are 500 pages of handwritten registers for births in Vorst ...
I have checked the registers - not as bad as I thought, there are alway blocks of several years, and within its sorted alphabetically - I have put the info in the research notes: Christina Gertrud (Deullingen) Hoelsken (abt.1823-1908)
Your next step: Order the marriage certificate at the Stadtarchiv Viersen or Landesarchiv NRW, and the birth certificate of Christine - if they can find it (I could not find her birth date.)
Bst rgds Bettina
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Hi Veni,
We would love to have you join the Mighty Oaks for the Source-A-Thon. The marathon starts Friday, October 1 at 8 AM (ET) and ends Monday, October 4, 8 AM (ET) but you don't need to participate the whole time
If you are interested in joining us then please answer the G2G post here Source-A-Thon Registration remember to mention you would like to join the Mighty Oaks
Look forward to working with you again
Janet & Joan Co-Leaders for the Mighty Oaks
Hi Veni
We would love to have you join the Mighty Oaks for the Connect-A-Thon . Need a refresher or want to know more check out the please look through Connect-a-Thon_Tutorial
See our team page here Mighty Oaks Team Page
If you are interested in joining us then please answer the G2G post here Connect-A-Thon Registration Registration closes soon, remember to mention you would like to join the Mighty Oaks
Look forward to working with you again
Janet & Joan Co-Leaders for the Mighty Oaks
Hi Veni,
We would love to have you join the Mighty Oaks for the Spring Clean-A-Thon
If you are interested in joining us then sign up here Clean-A-Thon Registration please mention you would like to join the Mighty Oaks
Look forward to working with you again
Janet & Joan
The Appreciation Team Leaders are completing the six-month check in with all team members. Thank you for all your work thanking and appreciating WikiTree members.
I see you aren’t signed up for a task on our team Task List. Please let me know what you’re working on, so we can add it to the list. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Appreciation_Team:_List_of_Tasks Or let me know if the Appreciation Team is no longer something you can keep up with.
Thank you again on behalf of all the Project Leaders for everything you do.
Emma :-)
As I advised on my sign on comment, I am thanking people who make any Joyner and/or Joiner additions/changes to the wikitree tree. And also where possible thanking those volunteers who just happen to have the same surname.
God Bless Veni
Hi Veni
Thank you for joining the Mighty Oaks for the Source-A-Thon (SAT). Congratulations on your work during the SAT. Its an amazing result for the Mighty Oaks, we sourced 8,887. Altogether the teams sourced a total of 57,577 profiles on wikitree. We hope you had fun while building the tree.
We are looking forward to working with you for another Thon soon.
Janet & Joan
Thanks for all the great work on the Joyner profiles! I ran across some today and noticed the red links for other family members on the biography. May I suggest that you add a link to add a child or spouse instead of a link to create a new wiki page?
For instance, on the profile of Clarence Joiner, you could have a link to add the child: [https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Joiner-125&action=editfamily&w=child John A Joiner] instead of [[John A Joiner]]
An inexperienced member may come along and click the red link and create a page that wouldn’t create the relationship.
Also, I think there is a typo in the sub-headings, the arrow?
Does this make sense? Please let me know if you have any questions.
Azure Rae
I appreciate the thanks and the interesting advice you offered.
I was not aware that the red links could be used to create a profile and neither was I aware that they could be used to create a specific relationship for the new profile! Very interesting indeed. I will investigate further how I can implement this idea into my practice.
In your example of John A Joiner in the profile of Clarence Joiner, however John is Clarence's sibling, not his child. Is there a link to add a sibling?
But there is a problem here also as neither of their parents currently have a profile on wikitree, so I don't think such a link would currently work until at least one parent was added. Is there a link for adding a parent? Ie a link for creating a new connected William or Mary profile as Clarence's parent?
I can not see any typo in the sub-headings - the arrow is done on purpose to create a physical character barrier between the line number and the year AND to point out the significance of the year in the profile's Timeline. for example...
I experimented with a number of different character combinations before settling on this arrow combination as the most effective in achieving the desired results in the Timeline. I also tried using various Arrow special characters (such as ⃯ or ↦ or ⇛ or ⏵ or ┠) but I discovered that these special characters don't render as the expected character on all browsers. They also proved too difficult to access when not directly accessible from a keyboard AND if you are looking for '⃯' when you are editing the biography you won't find it (because when editing the arrow special character appears rather as the code '⃯') but if looking for '->' you will find '->'.
I also experimented with adding spaces, but a space separating the '===' and the '->' did not help readability any way either.
Was it you on the livecast video's of late - I always try to view them at some point.
Regards Veni
edited by Veni Joyner
The red links would not create a profile. Rather they create a wiki page that does not have the relationship. The profile pages that contain these red links need to be edited to remove them.
When you add a sibling, and a parent profile doesn't exist, the system creates a parent profile. You could also create the profile of the sibling as an unrelated person and add a link to their profile on the siblings' profile.
Do you need a separate heading for each census? May I suggest you use a bulleted list instead? Or, here are some great example profiles that have timelines:
Let me know if you need any assistance.
Azure Rae
I just needed to clarify something you said earlier.
You said, "An inexperienced member may come along and click the red link and create a page that wouldn’t create the relationship. "
This is not correct. Red links in the format of [[someone named]] do not create anything if clicked on by an inexperienced member, however you may be getting confused with someone holding a group supervisor status?
For any ordinary member, clicking on said red link creates nothing and produces no unwanted result.
Regards Veni
edited by Veni Joyner
You're right about that! I do apologize! Thanks for responding!
Azure Rae
Thanks for all the work you accomplished during our Connect-A-Thon 2020. It is amazing how many more profiles were created and added to our Shared Tree. You have every right to be pleased with your efforts!
Kind regards,
Pippin Sheppard ~ WikiTree’s Appreciation Team
On Familysearch.org some records have images of the sources. It is always a good idea to view and transcribe any extra and relevant information where available. Familysearch.org is my major source for locating records.
Like wikitree, familysearch also has a one big tree setup but while it is not cared for in the manner of wikitree, I like to keep the familysearch tree trimmed of duplicates and sources added to it while also building the Wikitree tree. I like that on familysearch each name appearing in a source record can only be attached to only one profile - this is a natural control on duplicate profiles - however unfortunately familyseach have so widely obtained their source records that a child may have separate christening records from 4 or even 5 different entities (ie parish church, bishops house/diocese, state summary and perhaps a library.) and at some point in time familysearch was automatically creating profiles from each record hence there being a lot of duplicate profiles needing merging.
Anyhow compare James Harvey Joiner 1819–1881 on familysearch tree - https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LHT4-RZB on wikitree tree - https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Joiner-1089
regards Veni
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We sent you a message a while ago about your current status as Project Coordinator and have not yet heard back from you. If we dont hear from you in the next week we will assume you no longer wish to continue as a Project Coordinator on WikiTree at this time, but you are welcome to get back in touch with your Project Leaders to have your badge reinstated.
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Your situation has been on my mind & I was curious whether you found an acceptable resolution. My 'cousin' did the profile for our way back gr grandfather & had written his middle name as Olin or Olan. I think she wrote it like that because it's been sourced as both. I have the family Bible that shows the correct name but I understand her decision. I had to remove the OR on his profile. I think whatever solution you find will help those who use OR as a fact rather than a +guess. I don't know who controls the variables & it looks like you've been around longer so maybe you do. If you find a solution I'd truly like to share it with others. I hope you didn't think I was being flippant with you. I was giddy sleepy. Please let me know if you figure anything out.
All my best, Lucy
I completely understand how you are feeling. Honest! My job was to remove OR from the name box. 99.99% use the word OR to mean that it could be one OR the other. That's why the Data Doctor option is to +guess. Since we aren't allowed to use OR, AND, AKA, etc in the name boxes I would ask G2 what to do in this situation. I'm sure one of them will have an idea on what to do when both initials are correct. I've been up for 27 hrs and am sleep typing so I'm useless.
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