Johan Wilhelm (May 28, 1562 - March 25, 1609), Bishop of Münster, Count of Altena, Duke of Jülich-Cleves-Berg. He was first married in 1585 to Jakobea of Baden (died 1597), daughter of Philibert, Margrave of Baden-Baden. He was secondly married to Antonia of Lorraine (died 1610) daughter of Charles III, Duke of Lorraine. He had no known legitimate children.
Death
Death:
Date: 1609-03-25
Place: ,,,Germany
Imported only 1609 from Death Date.
Royal titles : ( 1592-1609 ) * Duke of Cleve* Count of Marks- * Count of
Ravensberg * Duke of Julich -Berg * Count of Altena
Catholic Church titles : Prince-Bishop of Munster, Rhineland, Prussia; as administrator regent - Jan 11, 1574 - Dec 31, 1584.
Educated in Xantan.
He was from the noble family : The House of La Mack.
The united Duchies of Julich - Cleves _ Berg was a combination of states ( reichsfrei ) within The Holy Roman Empire.
he had no legitimate heirs;
He had two court marriages, first Jakobea of Baden (d-1597 ), daughter of Phillbert, Margrave of Baden . He was secondly married to Antonia of Lorraine ( d-1610 ), daughter of Charles III, Duke of Lorraine.
he was subject to mental illness - treated by physician Francisco Maria Guazzo.
Research Notes
On family genealogies prior to 1582 he has a morganatic marriage with Anna Van Aldekerk (1565-1616) and a son with her Herman Isaac Op
den Graeff who is classed as illegitimate as the son could not inherit the titles or privileges due to the morganatic marriage.
However there are no primary/original sources for either the marriage or that he is a father of a son, and it is most probably a mistaken reading of a source and is definitely unproven.
Removing Anna Van Aldekerk (1565 - 1616) (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Van_Aldekerk-1) as his wife. They may have had a morganatic marriage but there are no sources for that. And this relationship keeps showing up in my connection finder results giving me a less then accurate connections to the WikiTree World Tree. ( Erik Granstrom, Oct. 28th, 2020.)
Sources
See also:
Wim. Janse, Barbara Pilkin - The Formation of Clerical Confessional Identities in Early...2006 - page 400 " By the Julich-kline succession was already simmering as Wilhelm ( 1516-92 ), the old, senile Duke was dead, leaving the Duchies to his mad and childless son, Johann Wilhelm ( 1562-1609 ). 10 The details of the succession crisis are....."
"Uusichere Veruandlschoft ".De Graeff, Op Den Graeff ( in German ) Retrieved 2018 - 10-30... Some claim the records were destroyed in the conflict between Protestant and Catholics at the time but regardless because Anna Op Den Graeff was of low rank, Johann Wilhelm's titles and privileges were not passed on to their son, and he as considered officially without an heir.
Claudia Swan Art, Science and Witchcraft in Early Modern Holland 2005 - page 225 " Like Weyer, but nearly half century later, Guazzo served as physician to Duke Johann Wilhelm of Cleves ( 1562-1609 ), to whom he dedicated his book. "
Descendants of Ferdinand Habsburg, Holy Roman Emperor, vol 8, #1, pp 9-28 - Johann Wilhelm first married Anna Von Aldekerk (13). Born in Aldekerk, Muir, Germany, and she also died there.They had one child - Herman ( 1585-1642 ).
Web: Netherlands, GenealogieOnline Trees Index, 1000-2015
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DNA Connections
It may be possible to confirm family relationships with Johann Wilhelm by comparing test results with other carriers of his ancestors' Y-chromosome or mitochondrial DNA.
However, there are no known yDNA test-takers in his direct paternal line.
Mitochondrial DNA test-takers in the direct maternal line:
I see on line they were married and had 2 sons and Anna had a brother Isaac Op den Graeff van de AldeKerk. There seem to be contradiction across the board with this geneology . I will be tryn to recanter for further examination.
I've removed Anna van Aldekerk as wife, and Hermann Isaac Op den Graeff as son of this profile, yet again. There is no reliable source that confirm these relationships (unsourced family trees such as in Netherlands, GenealogieOnline are not considered reliable).
Please don't add them again, without citing a reliable source.
Julich-Cleve-Berg-1 and Jülich-Kleve-Berg-3 appear to represent the same person because: Same parents, same birth and death dates, these two profiles represent the same person and must be merged according to WikiTree policy that we only have one profile per person.
And illegitimate claim to shouldnt be classified on here we arent in medieval times they were married legitimately and who's to say Anna wasn't some how a royal descendent they didn't have that good resources back then and also maybe she wasn't a royal but he still is the son of Johan Wilhelm .
He links as 6th cousin 14 x but he is also links as my 11th ggf through Herman Op den Graff Priest both were in into the clergy's his mother Anna Aldenkerk was said to be possibly a Nun. In Aldenkerk Germany hence the name
Every site has them listed as parents of Herman my 10th ggf please explain why this isnt sufficient evidence and give evidence to contrary i have all day.
Wikitree is also a website. We have to be careful to avoid a situation where we all just copy each other's mistakes, so it is important to find out what the original evidence would be.
Queen Elizabeth and I are 12 the cousin 1x and here we link about same so this itself can be proof as the lineages are same how may power points do i prove .
I hate to say it but my lineage as been changed by some people here on wiki and concerns my lineage nothing has been disproven it has been for no real basis either.
Granted i do see Abraham op den graft as Anna Aldenkerk as husband and father on some site but i do see Johan Wilhelm as her husband as well with marriage 1584 -1585 and i would imagine its. The later .unless can be proved different
Daniel I've removed the son and Anna Aldenkerk as his wife. Please make sure you provide reliable sources (not family trees) before trying to add them again.
I know i look identical. Johan de la mark baby maker and he did link as 14 ggf i think or 13 .but the Kleve Johan i seen was married to Anna she was Nun or something Mognatic marriage.
Wilhelm-1947 and De La Marck-1 appear to represent the same person because: Wilhelm-1947 is of the House of Marck, he had a morganatic marriage to Anna Van Aldekerk, he was the Duke of Julich-Cleves-Berg. His two court marriages were : Jakobea of Baden, daughter of Phillbert, Margrave of Baden and Antonia of Lorraine , daughter of Charles III, Duke of Lorraine.
To be quite honest I have not had the chance to look at this profile and clean it up in years. I've recently moved on to Ancestry DNA tracking to shake out what is true/false here so your research is probably more up to date than mine.
In my research, I find that Johan Wilhelm De La Marck was married twice but died childless. Peter Doors can not be his son. Do you have a source for this?
In my research I have never seen anything showing that Peter Cuypers Doors was the Son of Johan Wilhelm De La Marck and Anna Van Aldekerk.
I think we should disconnect these parents.
In his bio it even says "Peter Doors was born about 1580 in Kaldenkirchen, the son of Tisken an gen Door, a Catholic who was born about 1550, and died in Kaldenkirchen on 19 March 1615."
Just because you cant find it don't make it not right .you already unlinked my ancestors that i Have seen as a mother and father of Herman which is bologna
All the Krefelders are a very interesting group to research. When I started getting really into genealogy research about five years ago the Op Den Graff family was one of my main research topics. They are a very interesting group. I think if you want to learn more a good idea is to research the history of the Huguenots and Walloons and the whole 30 years war in Europe. All a very interesting back story to our Krefelder ancestors and why they chose to start a new live in Pennsylvania.
The history of Pennsylvania and the connections between William Penn and the Op Den Graff family as well as the history of George Fox and the foundation of the Quakers is all very interesting to research too.
As far as further research into who the correct parents of certain ancestors are, I believe the appropriate way to research it is to ask a G2G question from the profile and have a discussion that way.
Honestly I don't think we are ever going to know the truth of who the parents of Herman Isaaks Op den Graeff (1585 - 1642) are, but that does not mean we can't discuss it civilly.
Ive done seen several different informative information says they were married . as well i see that Anna Aldenkerk father Herman father is Abraham Son of Johann Kleve -11 baby maker more information will be evaluated.
Wont you think if can have you ever seen your own parents marriage license if you ever have proly 1 time so go figure people from 1500 s less likley to see it i have see information regarding Hermans parents as Anna And Wilhelm de lark or kleve all same stuff different smell.
Please don't add them again, without citing a reliable source.
edited by Daniel Cox II
edited by Daniel Cox II
edited by Daniel Cox II
I think we should disconnect these parents.
In his bio it even says "Peter Doors was born about 1580 in Kaldenkirchen, the son of Tisken an gen Door, a Catholic who was born about 1550, and died in Kaldenkirchen on 19 March 1615."
All the Krefelders are a very interesting group to research. When I started getting really into genealogy research about five years ago the Op Den Graff family was one of my main research topics. They are a very interesting group. I think if you want to learn more a good idea is to research the history of the Huguenots and Walloons and the whole 30 years war in Europe. All a very interesting back story to our Krefelder ancestors and why they chose to start a new live in Pennsylvania.
The history of Pennsylvania and the connections between William Penn and the Op Den Graff family as well as the history of George Fox and the foundation of the Quakers is all very interesting to research too.
As far as further research into who the correct parents of certain ancestors are, I believe the appropriate way to research it is to ask a G2G question from the profile and have a discussion that way.
Honestly I don't think we are ever going to know the truth of who the parents of Herman Isaaks Op den Graeff (1585 - 1642) are, but that does not mean we can't discuss it civilly.