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George Kidd (abt. 1826 - 1892)

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George Kidd
Born about in Whitekirk, East Lothian, Scotlandmap
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Son of [uncertain] and
Husband of — married after in Haddington, East Lothian, Scotlandmap
Descendants descendants
Died in Leith, Midlothian, Scotlandmap
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Biography

George was born in 1826 the illegitimate son of Mary Kidd a dairymaid. He was variously described as a farm servant, carter, ploughman and labourer. He married Margaret Selkirk in Haddington on 14 July 1846. Their bans were read on 6 June 1846 in Haddington. After Margaret died in 1863 George married Isabella Bridges on 2 June 1867. She was a widow born 1828. George died 7 July 1892 of apoplexy (stroke or brain haemorrhage). George married Margaret Wood SELKIRK, daughter of Nicol SELKIRK and Elizabeth Hume WOOD, on 5 Jul 1846 in Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland. Margaret was born on 24 Aug 1825 in The Pleasance, Spott, East Lothian, Scotland and died on 14 Jul 1863 in Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland at age 37. George and Margaret had nine children. Margaret died after the birth of their daughter Georgina of diseased and adherent placenta and inflammation of the womb on the 14 July 1863. Thank you Helen Kidd

George Kidd was born about 1816 in Whitekirk parish in East Lothian, Scotland. [1][2][3][4][5][6]

George Kidd's first appearance in the official records was in the census of 06 June 1841. He was described as George Kid, aged 25, an Ag Lab (Agricultural Labourer) and born in East Lothian. He was living at Quarry Pits in the parish of Hsddington, in the county of East Lothian in Scotland. Also present was Mary Kid (his mother) who was recorded as being aged 45 and also born in East Lothian. [1] The ages were rounded down to the nearest 5 years in the 1841 census, so George Kid could have been aged 25 to 29, putting his year of birth between around 1812 and 1816. However, people sometime did not know, or reveal their correct age: Mary Kid's age is recorded as 45, but she was actually 55 at the time of the 1841 census.

George Kidd married Margaret Wood Selkirk after the proclamation of their banns on 07 June and 14 June 1846 in the town of Haddington, Haddington parish, East Lothian, Scotland. Their banns were also proclaimed in the parish of Inveresk with Musselburgh in Midlothian on 09 June 1846. [7]

The Kidds appear to have been members of the United Presbyterian Church [8]. The Dunbar Second United Presbyterian Church was the successor to the East Barns Associate Church of which Margaret Selkirk's parents were members.

The Kidd's eldest daughter, Catherine was baptised in the Leith Saint Andrew's Place United Presbyterian Church on 13 December 1846, [9] but no baptismal records have yet been found for the other five siblings who appear to have been born before statutory registration was introduced in 1855.

George Kidd had ten children with Margaret Wood Selkirk:

  1. Catherine Kidd (born 03 October 1846) [10]
  2. Mary Kidd (born 1848) [2]
  3. William Kidd (born 1850) [2][3][4][11]
  4. Susan Selkirk Kidd (born 1852) [2][3][4][5][6][12]
  5. Nicol Kidd (born 1854) [3][4]
  6. Elizabeth Selkirk Kidd (born 1855) [2][3][4][5][6][12][13]
  7. Margaret Kidd (born 26 April 1856) [14]
  8. Isabella Storie Kidd (born 15 April 1858) [15]
  9. Jane Kidd (born 15 April 1861) [16] &
  10. Georgina Kidd (born 04 July 1863). [17]

At the census of 30 March 1851, George Kidd was described as aged 30 (putting his birth around 1821) a Labourer, and living at Amisfield East Gate in the town of Haddington in the parish of Haddington in the county of East Lothian in Scotland. Also present was his wife, Margaret Kidd, aged 28, and their children: Catherine, aged 4, Mary aged 3; and William, aged 1. [2]

At the census of 07 April 1861, George Kidd is described as aged 39, a Ploughman, and living at at Amisfield East Gate in the town of Haddington in the parish of Haddington in the county of East Lothian in Scotland. Also present was his wife, Margaret Kidd, aged 36; and their children: Catherine, aged 14; William aged 11, Scholar; Susan, aged 9, Scholar; Nichol, aged 7, Scholar; Elizabeth, aged 5, Scholar; and Margaret, aged 4. [3]

On 14 July 1863, George Kidd's wife, Margaret Wood Selkirk died at Amisfield East Gate in the town of Haddington, in the parish of Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland, just ten days after the birth of their tenth child, Georgina. [18]

In 02 April 1867 at Haddington, George Kidd married Isabella Bridges, the widow of Peter Chirnside. The groom was described as aged 47, a widower, and living at Amisfield in Haddington, while the bride was described as aged 39, widow Chirnside, and living at Hope Park in Haddington. The groom was further described as "Born out of wedlock, mother Mary Kidd" while the bride's parents were described as George Bridges, Farm Servant (deceased) and Isabella Lothian (deceased). The marriage was celebrated by Alexander Thomson, Minister, after Banns according to the Forms of the United Presbyterian Church. The witnesses were John McKechnie & Isabella Chirnside, who was probably the bride's eldest daughter. [19]

By the census of 02 April 1871, George Kidd's new wife had reverted to the name Isabella Chirnside and was living in Edinburgh. [3] Meanwhile, George Kidd himself was described as being aged 51 an Agricultural Labourer, and living at Amisfield Amisfield Lodge in the parish of Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland. With him was his mother, Mary Kidd, who was described as aged 84 and a widow. Also in the household were George's children by his first marriage: Catherine, aged 24; Jeanie, aged 10, a Scholar; Georgina, aged 10, a scholar; and also a grandson, George, aged one month. [4]

George's mother, Mary Kidd, died on 19 January 1872 at 11 Manderston Street in Leith, Midlothian, Edinburgh. She was aged 85 and the cause of death was debility from old age, with no medical attendant. The names of her parents were not recorded and the death was registered on 20 January 1872 in South Leith by Mary's grandson, Nicol Kidd. [20]

At the census of 03 April 1881, the following details were recorded:

1881 Census 709/8/21 Meadow Park, Haddington (2 rooms)
George KIDD head marr. 62 Labourer,General b Haddingtonshire Whitekirk
Christina "wife 35 b Midlothian, S. Leith
George Kidd son 10 Scholar b Haddingtonsh, Haddington
Alexander Kidd son 8 Scholar b Midilothian, S. Leith
John M Kidd son 3 b Roxburghshire Kelso
James Scott visitor unm. 27 Shepherd b, Lanarksh. Coulter.[5]

George, Alexander and John M. were in fact George's grandsons, illegitimate children of his daughters Catherine and Elizabeth - see Research Notes below.

At the census of 05 April 1891, George Kidd was described as Geo. Kidd, aged 65, and a carter and living at 32 Albert Street in Leith. He was boarding with Wm. Calder (his stepson), aged 39 and a carter and William's wife Chatrean (George's daughter), aged 46, born Leith; Geo. Kidd (George's grandson) aged 20 a shipyard labourer; Wm Calder (George's step-grandson) aged 19 and a ship yard labourer; Thos. Briggs (George's step-grandson) aged 28 and a Carter; J. J. Briggs (George's step-grandson) aged 22, a Carter; A. Kidd (George's grandson) aged 18 and a Sailor; and John Kidd (George's grandson) aged 13 and a Woodworker (?). [4]

George Kidd died on 07 July 1892 at Leith Hospital in Leith, Midlothian, Scotland. His usual address was given as 3 Bernard Street in Leith. He was described as aged 66, a Carter, the widow of Margaret Selkirk and illegitimate. His mother was described as Mary Kidd, Milk maid (deceased). The cause of death was Apoplexy 12 hours as certified by R. Lindsay Lyon M.B.. The death was registered on 07 July in South Leith by his daughter, Catherine Calder of 3 Bernard Street in Leith. [21]

George's age was 62 in 1881 and the same age in 1891. Just like his great (x2) grandson WIlliam Francis KIDD who was known to have stated his age as 10 years younger than he was. Frank was a wonderful very kind gentleman. [22]

Research Notes

Notes on the Kidds The Kidds caused some considerable problems, but were fascinating to research.

The Prestongrange link

George Kidd was born in the parish of Whitekirk, East Lothian, probably about 1816, but possible dates from official documents vary between 1812 and 1826. His mother was Mary Kidd (or Kid), a milkmaid and the father was unknown. Mary’s nephew, George Kidd, had two interesting witnesses when he was baptised at North Berwick on 3 January 1814: Sir James Suttie Bt, and Mr Clarence Dalrymple. These were representatives of the two local landowning families. Sir James was MP for Haddingtonshire, and succeeded to the estates of his aunt, Janet Grant, Countess of Hyndford, one of the three daughters of Lord Prestongrange of Kidnapped/Catriona fame. One of his relatives was captain of Dunbar Golf Club. The other children do not seem to have had such illustrious witnesses or were baptised before the congregation. It should be noted, however, that Suttie and Dalrymple also witnessed the baptism of the daughter of David Laird, gardener, Balgone, (presumably Suttie’s gardener) six days later. This may mean that John Kidd was also a servant of Suttie or Dalrymple. On the baptism certificate he is a labourer, but in 1816 and 1819 he is “servant at Newhouse, Dirleton.”

The above was the second son to be named George as a George Kyd had been born on 21 July 1807 to John Kidd and his wife. This George presumably died before the birth of the second George in 1813.

Who was George Kidd’s father?

George Kidd’s date of birth is not known with possible ranges between 1812 and 1826 according to various official documents. Could his mother’s brother and sister-in-law, presumably without a surviving male child of their own after at least 8 years of marriage, have adopted Mary’s illegitimate son George as their own and had him baptised? Probably not!

It is tempting (but extremely unrealistic) to link all of the above and fantasize that our George Kidd might also have been a descendant of Lord Prestongrange! Although it is more likely that the real father was a farm labourer.

George Kidd’s mysterious second and apparent third marriages

George Kidd married Margaret Selkirk (b. Spott, 24 August 1825) at Haddington on 5 July 1846. She died at Haddington on 14 July 1863, ten days after giving birth to their tenth child, Georgina.

There is a mystery concerning George Kidd’s second marriage. In 1867 he married Isabella Bridges, the widow of Peter Chirnside. However, by the 1871 census, his new wife had reverted to the name Isabella Chirnside and was living in Edinburgh.

At the 1881 census, George Kidd appears to have another new wife “Christian” aged 35, along with three new “sons” George (aged 10, born Haddington), Alexander (aged 8, born South Leith) and John (aged 3, born Kelso). However, from their birth certificates, they were not his sons, but his grandsons.

Catherine Kidd’s two illegitimate sons

George Kidd (b. 5 March 1871) was the illegitimate son of George Kidd’s eldest daughter Catherine, and Andrew Thomson, while John Middlemiss Kidd (b 16 February 1878) was the son of Catherine Kidd and an unknown father. It seems likely therefore, that George Kidd’s new “wife” “Christian” in the 1871 census, is actually his daughter, Catherine. The age (35) and place of birth (South Leith) of “Christian” are certainly the same as those of Catherine.

Elizabeth Kidd’s two illegitimate sons

The third “son”, Alexander was born in Leith on 2 December 1872, the illegitimate son of Alexander Sharp and Elizabeth Selkirk Kidd. At the 1891 census, Andrew is listed as “A. Kidd” and is living with the family of his aunt, Catherine Kidd. He eventually moved to England and had a number of children. Elizabeth Selkirk Kidd also gave birth to another illegitimate son, Nicol Kidd (father unknown) on the 27 July 1878. Nicol died a few days later on 2 August 1878. Elizabeth’s sister Catherine registered both the birth and the death.

Briggs and Bridges are the same!

Catherine Kidd went on to marry James Briggs on 9 March 1883, and after his death, William Calder on 1 June 1888. There is a further twist in that Catherine’s husband, James “Briggs” turns out to be the brother of Isabella “Bridges”, her stepmother!

At the 1891 census, Catherine is living with her father George Kidd, her second husband William Calder, her second husband’s son, her own two sons George and John (presumably by different fathers), her two stepsons by her first husband James Briggs, and her nephew Alexander, the son of her sister Elizabeth.

Quite a family, and quite a tangled web to unweave!

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1841 Scottish Census Records
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 1851 Scottish Census Records
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 3.5 3.6 1861 Scottish Census Records
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.5 4.6 1871 Scottish Census Records
  5. 5.0 5.1 5.2 5.3 1881 Scottish Census Records
  6. 6.0 6.1 6.2 1891 Scottish Census Records
  7. Old Parish Register of Banns & Marriages entry for George Kidd & Margaret Wood Selkirk
  8. United Presbyterian Church
  9. Other Church Records entry for Catherine Kidd
  10. Other Church Records entry for Catherine Kidd
  11. 1881, 1891, 1901 & 1911 English Census Records
  12. 12.0 12.1 1901 Scottish Census Records
  13. 1911 Scottish Census Records
  14. Statutory Birth Register entry for Margaret Kidd
  15. Statutory Birth Register entry for Isabella Storie Kidd
  16. Statutory Birth Register entry for Jane Kidd
  17. Statutory Birth Register entry for Georgina Kidd
  18. Statutory Death Register entry for Margaret Wood Selkirk
  19. Statutory Marriage Register entry for George Kidd & Isabella Bridges
  20. Statutory Death Register entry for Mary Kidd
  21. Statutory Death Register entry for George Kidd
  22. Keith Kidd personal recollections
  • Keith Kidd and Family



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On 14 Apr 2017 at 09:54 GMT I (Old) O wrote:

Kidd-2535 and Kidd-2118 appear to represent the same person because: As pointed out by you, these are the same person.



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