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Joseph Kimball
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This is the profile of Joseph Kimball of Surry Co VA died intestate 1712.

Please read the Research Notes (main heading) before making any changes to this profile.

Contents

Biography

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Joseph Kimball was a Virginia colonist.

Joseph Kimball died intestate, before 16 January 1712, presumably in Surry County, Virginia.[1] Little else is known about Joseph.

Disputed Origins & Uncertain Family

By tradition, Joseph Kimball is recognized by many southern Kimball/Kimbrell genealogists as the progenitor of the Southern branch of Kimballs, Kimbels, Kimbells, Kimbrells, Kimbriels, Kimbroughs, etc., who migrated from Virginia throughout the Southern States in the period 1700 to 1850, and beyond.

However, Joseph's origins and family are not proven. See Conflated Persons and Disputed Origins for discussion of various hypotheses.

By tradition, Joseph had five sons:

  1. Charles Kimball (abt.1685-1795), m. Alice Moore.
  2. Benjamin Kimball Sr. (abt.1696-bef.1786), m. Elizabeth Moore.
  3. Joseph Kimball Sr. (1698-aft.1776), m. Sarah Hicks.
  4. William Kimball (bef.1701-aft.1762), marriage unknown.
  5. Peter Kimball (1706-1774), m. Winifred Gilliam.

Death & Estate Administration

According to the order books of the County Court of Surry County, Joseph died intestate, before 16 January 1712, presumably in Surry County, Virginia.[1] At a Court held at Southwark, "Jan'y. : 16th : 1711" (1712 N.S.), the following was recorded regarding the administration of Joseph's estate:

  • "Francis Mallory the greatest Credit'r. of Joseph Kimball dece'd. came into Court & made oath that the said Joseph Kimball departed this life without making any Will so far as he knows or believes, And on his motion & giving Security for his just & faithfull Administ'n. of the Said decedents Estate Certificate is granted him for obtaining Letters of Administ'n. in due form."
  • "Ja's. Jones Jun'r. & Will'm. Cook presenting themselves Security's for Fran's. Mallory's due Adm'n. of the Estate of Joseph Kimball dece'd. were accepted & gave bond accordingly."
  • "Rob't. Hicks Tho's. Aven[2] & Arthur Kavenaugh or any two of them being first Sworn before one of her Majties Justices of the Peace for the County are nominated and appointed to value & appraise the Estate of Joseph Kimball dece'd. And ordered that Fran's. Mallory Administ'r. of the Estate of the Said dece'd. present an Invent'y. & the Said Appraisem't to the next Court."

Francis Mallory failed to appear in court at least seventeen times between 8 February 1711/2 and 8 January 1713/4 to return the inventory and appraisement, and the sheriff was ordered at least three of those times to summon him to the next court.[3] He finally appeared and returned the inventory and appraisement at the 17 March 1713/4 Court, and the same were ordered recorded.[4]

An "Inventory of Joseph Kimball Dece'd. Estate taken Februrary : 4th : 1711" [N.S. 1712] was taken by appraisers Arthur Kavenaugh and Thomas Avent. The inventory was sworn by them to Francis Mallory, administrator of the estate, and witnessed by John Simmons, on "17th : June 1713", and finally presented to the Court held at Southwark for the County of Surry, on "March : 17th : 1713" [1714 N.S.]. The inventory reported small hogs, sows, a burrow, pork and beef, and was valued at £13.6.7.[5][6]

Nothing has been found in the Court records between 1712–1716 to indicate Joseph left a wife, children, other family, or land.

Timeline

Note: Multiple individuals named Joseph Kimball may be conflated in this Timelline.

  • Surry County, Virginia, was created in 1652 from James City County.

1682–1686 - Joseph Kimball #3, an indentured servant, age 22, arrived in Virginia from England between 1682–1686.

1693 Jun 10 - Surry County tithables, Lawnes Creeke parish taken 10th day of June 1693, above upper Sunken Marsh: Tho: & Jeffrey Busby, Jos: Kimball, Con Indian; 4 tithables.[7][8] [REVIEW FOR ALLIED FAMILIES]

1694 Jun 4 - At a Court held at Westover, Charles City County, Joseph Kimball was a witness in the case of Joseph Perry against Thomas Harrison for defamatory words.[9][10] The Jury found for the defendant, and the court ordered Joseph Perry compensate the witnesses for their time. "Judgment is granted John Kemball for one hundred & sixty pounds of Tobacco against Joseph Perry being for four days attendance a witnes as (ye said ?) Perrys (_ ?) proved by oath."[11][10]

Bef. 1712 Jan 16 - Joseph died, intestate, presumably in Surry County, Virginia.

1712 Jan 16 - See Death & Estate Administration for the administration of his estate.

Research Notes

NOTE: There are several Joseph Kimballs in the American colonies in this era, making them all the subject of conflation. This profile has morphed over 11 years from one individual through several others. This Joseph Kimball is also of disputed origins. So this profile has also morphed as one unproven theory has been replaced with another unproven theory.

On 28 Jan 2022, the US Southern Colonies Managed Profiles Team and several researchers interested in this Joseph Kimball began an effort to improve this biography, deconflate the several Joseph Kimballs, and clearly document what is known and not known about each.

We ask that you please do not make any changes to this profile during this effort without first coordinating those changes with the group via the Comments.

Information will generally not be deleted, unless it is redundant with a better source, and will instead be sorted into Research Note subheadings for each different Joseph Kimball.

Needs Extensive Work: The following maintenance categories apply:

  • Needs Research: This profile—in particular the Research Notes that were merged from at least two profiles, but kept separate below—contains information, some conflated, about more than one Joseph Kimball. The origin of this Joseph Kimball is also disputed; there are multiple story lines to consider. This profile needs research to deconflate the information, move information to the correct profiles, document the disputed origin stories, and modify the Research Notes into a cohesive reflection of what is known and not known about this Joseph Kimball. Spratlin-29 16:50, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Needs Sources: Sources for all information, theories, and attached family are needed. Spratlin-29 17:53, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Place Creation

  • Charles City County, Virginia was created in 1634 as one of the eight original shires.
  • Surry County, Virginia [from portion on south side of James River] was created in 1652 from James City County [remainder on the north side of James River].
  • Surry County was then adjacent to and southeast of Charles City County.
  • Prince George County, Virginia [from southwest portion] was created on 25 Aug 1702 from Charles City County [remainder is northeast portion].
  • Sussex County, Virginia [from southwest portion] was created in November 28, 1753 from Surry County [remainder is northeast portion].

1693 & 1694 Events

The two events in the timeline dated 1693 Jun 10 and 1694 Jun 4 should be researched further to determine if anyone named in these records is also named in records of the (by tradition) five sons.

Conflated Persons

The disputed origins of Joseph Kimball (-bef.1712) often purport that he is:

Disputed Origins

[briefly and concisely describe each of the possible origins here; elaborate on them in the appropriate section of the research notes; put disproven origins in the research notes]

There are no known records connecting this Joseph Kimball (identified by his estate records dated 1712–1714) with other Joseph Kimballs of this era with records. The record for Joseph Kimball #3 (see below), an indentured servant, age 22, arrived in Virginia from England through Barbados between 1682–1686, has led to at least two hypotheses that have been adopted in many on-line family trees.

  • Joseph Kimball (-bef.1712) and Joseph Kimball #3 are the same person. There are no known records connecting these two persons, but this is certainly a possibility.
  • Joseph Kimball (-bef.1712) is Joseph Kimball, a person living in Massachusetts, often identified as a mariner, who removed from Massachusetts through Barbados to Virginia, often by "jumping ship". This appears to be an invention, requiring a reading of the Joseph Kimball #3 record not supported by the record. See the two Joseph Kimballs of Massachusetts in the Conflated Persons section.[12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20]

Death & Estate Administration

On 18 August 1714, Francis Mallory appeared in Court to acknowledge a deed of sale for a parcel of land sold to John Williamson, and the same was ordered to be recorded. [21][22]

Allied Families

[Group and discuss allied families listed as witnesses, adjoining landholders, etc. to help prove disambiguation.] [Did any of these families also move to Brunswick County or Granville County?]

It is clear the Kimball family is involved in Indian affairs and also the Virginia-North Carolina line and Bryd's Expedition, and associated with individuals similarly involved.

These names are of interest from the events in Joseph's Timeline:

Joseph Perry is associated with Thomas Busby (of the 1693 Surry County indenture, and owns land on Warrick Swamp. On current maps, Warrick Creek is at the intersection of today's Prince George, Surry, and Sussex counties. In 1693–1712, this area was in Charles City, Prince George, and Surry counties. These 1693–1712 Timeline records probably all belong to a single Joseph Kimball.[28]

Jacob Colson associated with Robert Hicks, Thomas Kavenaugh, Charles and William Kimball.[29]

See Alice (Moore) Kimball (-1739) biography describing land sale and listing names Elizabeth Avent/Robert Hicks/Richard Moore/Henry Jones. These last names all appear in Joseph's estate records. There are then ties to Jacob Coleson and the Kimballs called before the Virginia Council discussed there.

See William Kimbell I (abt.1690-abt.1750) biography describing John Brown land sale listing names Robert Hix (Hicks?)/Thomas Cooks/William Kimball land transaction. Again names appearing in Joseph's estate records.

There are currently [30 Jan 2022] two profiles for Col. Thomas Avent, differing in birth date and place, but identical death date and place, and each with profiles for a wife with same name. These 4 profiles presumably need to be merged into single husband and wife.

  1. Thomas Avent III (1669-1757)
  2. Thomas Avent (abt.1671-1757)

See Peter Kimball (1706-1774) whose Will is witnessed by William Moore and Susanna Moore.

DNA

The FamilyTreeDNA Kimble Project has a cluster of six tests (Y-67 or higher only) comprised of two nodes of very signficant interest:

  • Node 1: A node of three tests with a TMRCA of 5 gens, [2-8] gens, 1750–1900.
  • Node 2: A node of three tests with a TMRCA of 5 gens, [0-11] gens, also including Node 1, 1650–1950.

Each of these two nodes contain at least one individual with reported lineage to New England, and at least one individual with reported lineage to Virginia or the South (ignoring unproven lineage generations incorporating the MA to Barbados to VA disputed origin).

Their lineages should be confirmed. There are additional lower tests grouped with these six. Confirmation of their lineage, and selective upgrade may greatly benefit our research.

This Joseph Kimball

Establishing accurate birth and death dates for each of the Kimballs of early Virginia is important to deconflate those sharing the same name and confirm relationships. Joseph's birth year is unknown, and there are no sources from which to estimate his birth, other than his Will.

This statement below previously included in the biography is clearly incorrect, as he died intestate and Francis Mallory was granted administration of the estate:

This paragraph below previously included in the biography implies there are more court records to be found:

  • When Joseph died, his estate totalled 10 English pounds. Francis Mallory was made the Executor of his estate, as he was Joseph's largest creditor in Surry County, Virginia. It took several years for Mr. Mallory to complete his task, though it's possible he was just a very busy man. He repeatedly missed court where he didn't show up to finish with the estate. At least six times he did not show up, leaving the matter to be continued to the next court date. He presented the final settlement in 1713.[citation needed]

Does the lack of mention in the Court records of a wife, children, other family, or land indicate there were none, or did Joseph's debts to Francis Mallory exceed the value of his estate, and Mallory took everything? Why did Mallory fail to appear in Court for two years while administrator of the estate? Why did the Court, from today's viewpoint, show no real sense of urgency that the estate be settled?

There are two Robert Hicks: Robert Hicks (father) and Robert Hicks Jr. (son). Both were alive on 16 January 1712.

Could John Simmons who witnessed the inventory of Joseph's probate inventory[6] be a relative of Frances (Simmons) Kimball (1670-1713)?

Virginia Rebecca (Shearin) Kimball (abt.1673-1708)[30] (m 1697, Surry County, Virginia) and Frances (Simmons) Kimball (1670-1713) (m 1696, Surry County, Virginia) have been detached as wives due to lack of sources. -Teresa Davis

Virginia Rebecca (Shearin) Kimball (abt.1673-1708) is purported to have married Joseph Kimball in 1697 in Surry County, Virginia.

However, the six assumed children of this Joseph Kimball are currently [28 Jan 2022] connected to Joseph as father, and to either Virginia Rebecca (Shearin) Kimball (abt.1673-1708) or Frances (Simmons) Kimball (1670-1713) as mother. These relationships need to be reviewed, and corrected, as they imply these six children were born of NPEs with these two women.

Note: There are two Benjamin Kimballs currently [28 Jan 2022] attached to Joseph as children.

[The following two possible relationships are affected by the resolution of the two Benjamins.]

  • Thomas Busby was known for trading with the Indians. With this in mind, Joseph Kimball could have been the same. Joseph's sons Charles and William were well known Indian interpreters. Another Indian trader of the family was Robert Hicks. Robert was the father of Joseph Kimball Jr.'s wife, Sarah Hicks.

Surry County Tithables (1689–1694) and Con Indian

  • Surry County tithables, Lawnes Creeke parish taken 10th day of June 1693, above upper Sunken Marsh: Tho: & Jeffrey Busby, Jos: Kimball, Con Indian; 4 tithables.[7][8]

[Review for Allied Families]

Conjecture: In the 1693 Surry County tithables item above, could the "Con Indian", perhaps a convict, be Joseph's wife? This individual is listed from 1684 to 1693, and then not listed after 1693.[31]
The 1689 tithables[32] lists: Mr. Tho: & Jeffrey Busby, Con an Indian, one Negro Wo.; 4 tithables.
The 1690 tithables[32] lists: Mr: Tho. Busby, Nat: Hales [Halet?], Jno. Knight, Con an Indian & Jone a Negro; 5 tithables.
The 1691 tithables[32] lists: Mr. Tho: Busby, Jeffrey Busby, Ed: Tayler, Con an Indian; 4 tithables.
The 1692 tithables[8] lists: Tho & Jeffry Busby, George Peters, Con Indian; 4 tithables.
The 1693 tithables[8] lists: Tho: & Jeffrey Busby, Jos: Kimball, Con Indian; 4 tithables.
The 1694 tithables[8] lists: Mr: Tho: & Jeffry Busby; 2 tithables.

Joseph Kimball #2

This is the profile of Joseph Kimball Sr. of Surry Co VA m. Sarah Adams.
[The information for Joseph Kimball #2 has been moved to Joseph Kimball Sr. (1698-aft.1776).]

Joseph Kimball Sr. (1698-aft.1776) of Surry County, Virginia, probably married widow Sarah Adams before 1725. He is possibly a son of Joseph Kimble, but no record has been found connecting him to Joseph Kimball (-bef.1712).

Joseph Kimball #3

This is the profile of Joseph Kimball of England arrived VA 1682–1686.
[move information for Joseph Kimball #3 here]

Joseph Kimball, an indentured servant, age 22, may have departed England to Virginia between 1682–1686.

Among the records of the Fishmongers' Company is a manuscript,[33] , the original to be found in the Muniment Room of the Guildhall Library, London, listing 410 indentured servants that emigranted from Britian to America and the West Indies. The author's research indicates the list contains names for the period 1682–1686. The "register was compiled by Thomas Tanner who, in addition to being the Clerk of the Fishmongers' Company, was also a clerk to the Town Clerk of the City of London in his office of Clerk of Peace."

M.J. Chandler lists Joseph as:

KIMBALL, Joseph, 22, V266

From this entry, we know that Joseph Kimball was 22 years old at the time, so he was therefore born about 1662, presumably in England. We also know that his destination was Virginia (V), and his bondsman was James Emmerson (266). Emmerson is not listed as bondsman for anyone else in this list.

Reviewing the list, it is noted that Benjamin Johnson (?) and Richard Park are bondsman for a large number of indentured servants listed just above and below Joseph in the list. The destinations for most of these nearby entries are Virginia or Maryland. There also appear to be a not-insignificant number of possible typos, so it would be worthwhile to review the original document to review any entry of interest.

This 1682–1686 record is presumably the basis for the current birth date and place of Joseph Kimball who died intestate 1712, but there is currently no information suggesting they are or are not the same person.

Sources

[Move these in-line later] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27]

  1. ↑ 1.0 1.1 County Court, Surry County, Virginia, Order books, 1671-1877, Order books 1691-1718, 1741-1744; database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSKK-JQDY-X?i=286&cat=374004), image 287.
  2. ↑ AventFamily.org, Col. Thomas Avent profile.
  3. ↑ County Court, Surry County, Virginia, Order books, 1671-1877, Order books 1691-1718, 1741-1744; database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSKK-JQDY-X?cat=374004), images 287, 288, 290, 292, 294, 295, 297, 299, 300, 302, 342, 344, 346, 348, 350, 351.
  4. ↑ County Court, Surry County, Virginia, Order books, 1671-1877, Order books 1691-1718, 1741-1744; database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSKK-JQDN-D?cat=374004), images 354. [Have reviewed images 355-xxx of the Order Books source, finding no other records for the estate there.]
  5. ↑ Eliza Timberlake David (abstractor and compiler), Wills and administrations of Surry County, Virginia, 1671–1750; database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9PC-QWCV?cat=102256), image 368.
  6. ↑ 6.0 6.1 County Court, Surry County, Virginia, Wills and deeds (Surry County, Virginia), 1652–1907, Wills and deeds, No. 5-6 1694–1715; database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9PX-V39Z-W?cat=366316), image 575. [Have reviewed images 500-600 of the Wills and Deeds source, finding no other records for the estate there.]
  7. ↑ 7.0 7.1 County Court, Surry County, Virginia, Wills and deeds (Surry County, Virginia), 1652-1907, Wills and deeds, No. 4 1687-1694; database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9PX-VSR2-1?cat=366316), image 370.
  8. ↑ 8.0 8.1 8.2 8.3 8.4 Richard Slatten & Edgar MacDonald (transcribers), "Surry County tithables: 1692, 1693 1694," Magazine of Virginia Genealogy 23:3 (November 1985): p62, p67, p70; digital images, Ancestry (https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/27225484?h=dca2f7).
  9. ↑ County Court, Charles City County, Virginia, Order books, 1655-1762 [Charles City County, Virginia], Order books 1685-1696.; database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4V-J3Q8-6?i=421&cat=379935), image 422.
  10. ↑ 10.0 10.1 Benjamin B. Weisiger, III (abstractor, compiler), Charles City County, Virginia, Court Orders, 1687–1695, pp178-179; digital images (https://www.americantapestry.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Charles-city-County-Virginia-Court-Orders-1687-1695.pdf).
  11. ↑ County Court, Charles City County, Virginia, Order books, 1655-1762 [Charles City County, Virginia], Order books 1685-1696.; database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS4V-J3QD-G?i=422&cat=379935), image 423.
  12. ↑ Rootsweb.com: Progenitor, MA through Barbados to VA Origin. [Too much detail for no origin primary sources. 1682–1686 record is misrepresented.]
  13. ↑ Genealogy.com: MA through Barbados to VA Origin, Shearin connection. [Too much detail for no origin primary sources. 1682–1686 record is misrepresented.]
  14. ↑ Geni.com: England to Surry Co, VA Origin. [Conflated persons. 1682–1686 record is correctly represented.]
  15. ↑ Find A Grave: Memorial #38418618 for Joseph Kimball (1662–1713) (memorial only, no headstone photo). MA to VA Origin. [Unsourced]
  16. ↑ 23 Nov 2016 profile change—MA and Barbados theories. [Unsourced. Conflated persons. 1682–1686 record is correctly represented.]
  17. ↑ 17 Apr 2019 profile change—MA estate and marriage sources, Barbados theory, Joseph bond as carpenter. [Conflated persons. Review Nataasha Cottrell reference. Review Marriage source. Unsourced FindAGrave.]
  18. ↑ 17 Apr 2020 profile change—New England Marriages google link. [Reviewed. Nothing.]
  19. ↑ Family legends blog, Joseph Kimball - a rebel, carpenter, sailor and merchant. [Unsourced. Disputed Origins.]
  20. ↑ 22 Nov 2016 profile change—theories. [Kimball Y-DNA Project link added back. Unsourced. John of MA to New Jersery. Joseph 1662–1699 of MA.]
  21. ↑ County Court, Wills and deeds (Surry County, Virginia), 1652-1907, Wills and deeds, No. 5-6 1694-1715; database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9PX-V39C-W?cat=366316), images 590-591.
  22. ↑ County Court, Surry County, Virginia, Order books, 1671-1877, Order books 1691-1718, 1741-1744; database with images, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSKK-JQDV-W?i=359&cat=374004), images 360. [Have reviewed images 355-394 of the Order Books source, through 1716, finding no other records for the estate there.]
  23. ↑ 23.0 23.1 23.2 Poythress Surname History.
  24. ↑ 24.0 24.1 24.2 24.3 Poythress, Prince George Records.
  25. ↑ 25.0 25.1 Adupree.
  26. ↑ 26.0 26.1 Captain Robert Hicks, Indian Trader (mid-1600s).
  27. ↑ 27.0 27.1 27.2 Native American Roots, Robert Hicks.
  28. ↑ Ashlie Todd, Joseph Perry of Charles City/Prince George/Surry & Isle of Wight Co.'s Virginia (unknown: self, unknown); digital images (https://kipdf.com/surry-isle-of-wight-co-s-virginia_5ab611b11723dd349c81ab9d.html).
  29. ↑ 15 Dec 2021 profile change—Chowan records, illegal trading.
  30. ↑ Find A Grave: Memorial #126550880 for Virginia Shearin Kimball (1673–unknown) (memorial only, no headstone photo). [REVIEW]
  31. ↑ Savannah River Band of Uchean Indian Tribe, Colonial Court Records (https://www.srbeucheetribe.org/44-uchean-genealogy-society/colonial-court-records/). [REVIEW]
  32. ↑ 32.0 32.1 32.2 Richard Slatten & Edgar MacDonald (transcribers), "Surry County tithables: 1689, 1690 1691," Magazine of Virginia Genealogy 23:4 (August 1985): p54, p59, p64; digital images, Ancestry (https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/27681427?h=ad9baf).
  33. ↑ M.J. Chandler, "Emigrants from Britian to the Colonies of America and the West Indies," The Journal of the Barbados Museum and Historical Society 36:1 (1979): p35; digital images, FamilySearch excerpts (https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/123926291).

See also:

DNA

Not Listed

  • John Bennett Boddie, Births, Deaths and Sponsors, 1717–1778, from the Albemarle Parish Register of Surry and Sussex Counties, Virginia (Baltimore, Maryland: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1992, 1998). [No Kimball descendants listed in index]
  • Virginia Lee Hutcheson Davis & Andrew Wilburn Hogwood, Albemarle Parish Vestry Book, 1742–1786, Surry and Sussex Counties, Virginia (Baltimore, Maryland: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 2005). [No Kimball descendants listed in index]




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J. Waller
I have no connection to Joseph Kimball but I do have a suggestion. The large majority of those mentioned with JK are Indian traders: Hicks, Kavanaugh, Avent, Colson, Busby. Prince George Co. VA and, later, Brunswick Co. that was taken from PGCo., were hotbeds of trader activity. These men formed a tight community, working for and with each other, selling and buying property, witnessing documents. I think this is the key. Many of these men had Indian families as well as, or instead of, white families. Sometimes they were gone on trading trips for as long as two years. It seems to me that this might explain Mallory's delay in court appearances. Many of the men in Byrd's expedition were ex-traders, chosen for their wilderness knowledge. A lot of the time, men became traders because of family tradition or because they had worked for someone in the business. Thomas Avent MIGHT have provided that connection for JK. Sadly, because they were gone so long on trading trips and because the packmen were not often long on resources, records are them are often scarce.

Joseph Mumford employed many traders in this area as packmen. That and Prince George and Brunswick Counties might yield some results.

posted by J. Waller
Davis-22213 Teresa Davis
So, Thomas Busby lists Joseph as a convict and a tithable to Thomas Busby ,Surry Couny,Virginia, 1693.

https://ancestry.prf.hn/click/camref:1011l4xx5/type:cpc/destination:https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/27225484?h=dca2f7

Then June 4, 1694 Charles City Virginia court , Joseph Perry sues Thomas Harrison of defformatory words, Joseph Kimball was a sworn juror. This same Joseph Perry ,had a lot of dealings with Thomas Busby. As seen here: https://kipdf.com/surry-isle-of-wight-co-s-virginia_5ab611b11723dd349c81ab9d.html

So I am about sure that this is Joseph. In the above source Joseph new the same people as this Perry. To coincidental.

posted by Teresa Davis
edited by Teresa Davis
Ken Spratlin
Where does it say that Joseph is a convict? If you are referring to "Con Indian", "Con" is the name of an Indian. Con is repeatedly listed in the Surry tithables with the Busbys. See the Research Notes subheading "Surry County Tithables (1689–1694) and Con Indian" where this is shown.
posted by Ken Spratlin
Larry George
Exactly. There are multiple references to the Indian named "Con" in the Surry Co. tithable records for Thomas Busby in the reference Teresa provided previously: http://www.houseofancestry.org/30-1-indian-ancestry-court-records/

Also, if the Joseph Kimball in Thomas Busby's 1693 tithables list was, in fact, the Joseph Kimball, son of Thomas of New England, that would have given him only one year to be impressed yet again and "jump ship" and arrive in Virginia. Morrison & Sharples quote judicial records saying his brothers vouched for him in 1692 in New England when he wasn't quite 21 years of age. Certainly possible, but that's cutting it close.

Finally, if the 1677 servant Joseph (unknown surname) of Thomas Busby's tithables in the comment Teresa posted 5 months ago (down below) were perchance a Joseph KIMBALL, he could not have been either the Joseph Kimball, son of Thomas from New England, or the Joseph Kimball mentioned in Chandler's paper (ref. 33). The former was only about 6 - 7 years old at the time and was firmly in New England according to M&S, having just been rescued from the Indian raid of a year before and the latter didn't arrive in Virginia until 5 to 7 years after that in 1682-84 according to Chandler's paper. It's possible that he's the one in Busby's tithable list and/or the one on the jury. It's also possible that he could be the one with the 1713 probate and possibly the Patriarch of the Southern Kimballs. However, that would probably make him a lot older than our previous estimates for either New England Joseph or Chandler Joseph. Also we cannot ignore the y-DNA data that's increasingly showing that the Patriarch Joseph derived from the same male lineage as the New England clan. He would have either have to have descended directly from them or had a common male ancestor back in England before Richard and Ursula immigrated in 1634.

Note: As I have previously pointed out, I take the New England Joseph's estimated age from the other data M&S provide rather than the birth date they actually quote. That other data gives an estimated birth date of 1670 - 71 rather than 1662.

However, I do agree with Teresa's comment above that the Joseph Kimball shown in Thomas Busby's 1693 tithable list and the Joseph Kimball who was a sworn juror in 1694 were probably the same person. And based on locale and timing, he may have been the one who died intestate ca. 1710. However, just where he came from and where he fits in to the antecedent and descendant possibilities remains an open question.

posted by Larry George
Davis-22213 Teresa Davis
People who knew Joseph , but who were also connected to William and Charles Kimball and Joseph Jr.

11 Apr 1709. Chowan County, NC. Jacob COLSON witnesses a deed from Robert Hicks to Arthur Kavanaugh of Meherrin River, 1280 acres (Note from Doug Tucker - Kavanaugh and Jacob COLSON were Indian Traders. Kavanaugh lived among the Meherrin Indians at a site near the mouth of the Meherrin River and Jacob COLSON was his close neighbor. This was before Jacob COLSON moved his family, including son John, south to the Roanoke River - then called the Marrotock River.) 16 July 1716. Chowan County, NC. Thomas AVENT of Chowan Precinct, weaver to Jacob COLESON of Chowan Precinct, carpenter, for 4 pounds, 270 acres more or less at Mount Royall at the mouth of the first branch, joining the branch next to the mouth of the Morattock River as by patent to me 29 July 1712. Wit: Richard Moore, John Nairne. Registered 6 Aug 1716.

  • Arthur Kavanaugh
  • Jacob Colsen
  • Robert Hicks ,daughter Sarah married Joseph Kimball Jr.
  • Thomas Advent
  • Richard Moore, late husband of Alice Moore ,who married Charles Kimball

https://www.genealogy.com/ftm/t/u/r/Diann-D-Turet/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0381.html

posted by Teresa Davis
edited by Teresa Davis
Davis-22213 Teresa Davis
Hi Ken, I found this today.

Surry County Virginia Southwarke Parish

Thithables 1677

Mr. Tho: Busby, Humphrey Felpes, Henry an Indyan, Tho: Kite, Bartho: Figers, Joseph a Servt. - 6

http://www.houseofancestry.org/30-1-indian-ancestry-court-records/

Do you think this maybe Joseph Kimball here? I wish it had a last name. I know the Bartholomew Figers man. Did some work on his profile. I do not know the Felps (phelps) mand yet, or Thomas Kite. I will keep digging.

posted by Teresa Davis
edited by Teresa Davis
Ken Spratlin
The estate records of this Joseph Kimball are all bone, no meat—no references to wife, children, family, friends, land, anything. There are the names of those participating in the estate: Francis Mallory, John Simmons, Ja's. Jones Jun'r. & Will'm. Cook, Rob't. Hicks Tho's. Aven & Arthur Kavenaugh, John Simmons.

Unless records can be found referring to his estate, it seems to me there are two obvious paths forward:

1) Research all these estate names and hope to find something.

2) Based on the FTDNA Kimball project, selectively work back in time from present day (test takers) establishing and proving their lines, focusing on those that lead to the Surry County VA area in the 1700-1750 time frame.

Other suggestions?

posted by Ken Spratlin
edited by Ken Spratlin
Ken Spratlin
I have reviewed (admittedly quickly) all of the sources listed, including all sources recovered from the change history.

It appears to be purely hypothesis that this Joseph (died intestate 1712) was born in 1660 in England.

There is a record for the arrival of a Joseph Kimball, indentured servant, age 22, somewhere in Virginia in 1682–1686. That Joseph Kimball is now listed in the Research Notes as Joseph #3. There then appears to be nothing to link that Joseph Kimball to this Joseph Kimball, other than era and the broad area of Colony of Virginia.

I recommend the birth date of 1660 in England for this Joseph Kimball be replaced with an estimated date and unknown place.

posted by Ken Spratlin
Davis-22213 Teresa Davis
If he was 22 in 1682 or there about, then the date should still stand.
posted by Teresa Davis
Ken Spratlin
Which source in the list says 22?
posted by Ken Spratlin
Davis-22213 Teresa Davis
I got that from above ,where it say's Joseph # 3. If this is not him he could have been younger. Since Thomas Busby had him in his tithe record in 1693 , he could have been any age. But If Charles and William I are his sons, they were adult buy 1717. Just not sure, if it is absolute or not. I am also finding that Benjamin Kimball and Peter Kimball may have been grandsons and not sons at all. And the two Benjamins are absolutly not the same man as some has said to me. They have two very different wills,with different children ,death dates and differnt death area. Thanks so much for your help in fixing this. I will keep looking in the mean time.
posted by Teresa Davis
Ken Spratlin
Joseph #3 has not been connected to this Joseph, so does not serve to establish this Joseph's birth year. The same is true of the children.
posted by Ken Spratlin
Larry George
Yep. There is no record to say the Joseph on Busby's tithe list is the same as the Joseph with the Probate except for approximate similar dates
posted by Larry George
Larry George
Let me jump in, please. I agree with Ken.

I think that 1660 birth date is an original hold over from when Kimball-241 was thought to be the son of Thomas of Mass Bay Colony. It never got changed. That's the birth date given by Morrison and Sharples but that date was probably not even correct. In their narrative which accompanies that date in the heading, they say Joseph who was abducted when his father Thomas was killed in the 1676 Indian raid was 17 when he was apprenticed in 1687 and then not 21 and 5 months when his brothers vouched for him in 1692. That would put his birth date at around 1670-71. (Even M&S didn't check their work for internal logic.) This clarification is also buried in the Comments from someone somewhere from several years ago. I just ran across it recently. However, there is absolutely no record I know of verifying that the New England Joseph somehow wound up in Surry, Vir. Only speculation.

Also, the origin of England is a holdover from when folks thought Joseph-241 may have been the indentured servant who came thru Barbados. As I have pointed out in the past, we have no record of his actually arriving in Virginia, but merely his being listed on a London manifest as an indentured servant, age 22, bound for the Virginia colonies via Barbados as noted in Chandler's paper. We can only assume he got there, but there is no actual written record that I know of. We don't even know if he reached Barbados. Those manifests mentioned in Chandler's paper spanned a couple of years from 1682 to 1684 as I recall. We don't know which one Joseph was on. Taking half a year to get to the colonies via Barbados, would put him probably around age 23 upon arrival in 1683 to 1685 approximately. Calculating backwards, his birth date would indeed be about 1660 or 1662 if (and big IF and only IF) the Joseph with the Probate was the indentured servant.

My suggestion is that if Joseph-241 is to have the anchor event of the 1713 Probate, then the birth date and origin need to be deleted for the time being. We simply don't know.

posted by Larry George
Davis-22213 Teresa Davis
I looked at the source for this, we need to figure out who the bondsman for him was.

Book states V266, which meant Virginia 266. The 266 is the number of the bondsman. I do not have access to the whole book, to see if it tells it, do you?

posted by Teresa Davis
Davis-22213 Teresa Davis
With the help of Kathie Forbes I found out that Joseph#3 had a bondsman named James Emmerson. I have been trying to find where he was from and where he may have lived to help establish the where abouts of this Joseph. Haven't had any luck yet. I will keep trying.
posted by Teresa Davis
edited by Teresa Davis
Ken Spratlin
Updated James Kimball #3 to reflect the additional information. This source and the other records discussed may be fertile ground to research allied families, but James Emmerson being listed as bondsman only for Joseph may mean there is nothing to find here.
posted by Ken Spratlin
Davis-22213 Teresa Davis
This is the source I found ,that Thomas Avent was a witness to Joseph's will.

Witness to will of John Barlow in 1727, Surry. Witness to will of Nicholas Brewer in 1729, Surry. Witness to will of Edward Clarke in 1713, Surry. Witness to will of Joseph Kimball in 1713, Surry. Witness to will of James Mayo in 1725, Surry . Witness to will of Lewis Solomon in 1742 in Surry. 1702 listed on Surry, Tithables.

  • REGISTER OF ALBEMARLE PARISH, SURRY AND SUSSEX COUNTIES, 1739-1779, Gertrude R.B. Richards, 195 8, p. 214.

http://aventfamily.org/TNG/getperson.php?tng_extras=1&personID=I0870&tree=avefam

Is this not reliable?

posted by Teresa Davis
Ken Spratlin
I haven't found an on-line copy of the register yet. Doesn't seem likely the "Register …" line on that website is for the line above it that says he was a witness. Note the range 1739–1779. His will is claimed to be in 1713. And the other records that have been found appear in the court records, not the parish records. The actual court records with images now referenced in the profile say that he died intestate (no will) and list Thomas Avent as one of the appraisers of his estate, not as a witness to his will.

Abstracts are great as "finding aids" but are filled with enough errors that the original documents should always be reviewed to see what they actually say, and what else they say that was left out of the abstract. For example additional names are often found that turn out to be allied families that are then useful to track along with the person of interest to help track their movements, deconflate person with same name, etc.

posted by Ken Spratlin
Ken Spratlin
Also note the two Albemarle Parish Register abstract books I added to the "eliminated" section at the very bottom of the sources. I have both of these sources in paperback form. The name Kimball does not appear in the index of either of these books.
posted by Ken Spratlin
edited by Ken Spratlin
Davis-22213 Teresa Davis
Source that states Joseph Jr. along with his brothers and maybe cousins are in the muster of Granville Co. North Carolina,regiment under William Eaton. It states he was a Junior 1754

http://files.usgwarchives.net/nc/granville/military/otherwar/rosters/militia257mt.txt

posted by Teresa Davis
Davis-22213 Teresa Davis
Hello, Joseph and Sarah need to be put on the profile of Joseph Jr. and Sarah Adams. I will check and see if the info is already there ,if it is we can eliminate Joseph #2 on this profile. That should shorten it a bit.
posted by Teresa Davis
edited by Teresa Davis
Ken Spratlin
Moved the two James Adams estate items to Sarah's profile.
posted by Ken Spratlin
Ken Spratlin
Ok, the Joseph Kimball group research and deconflation activity has begun.

I revised the profile to facilitate it being in a research and deconflation mode for the foreseeable future. So it looks heavily templated at the moment. The structure is arbitrary and can evolve to fit our needs. Please leave the [comments] throughout the profile under many of the headings for now until we all get used to what goes where.

Larry, maybe you could take a swing at listing the existing origin theories under the Disputed Origins section.

posted by Ken Spratlin
Ken Spratlin
I will review the change history and recover any deleted information of interest.
posted by Ken Spratlin
Ken Spratlin
Done. Also created Joseph Kimball (1662-1669) to capture the original identity of this profile, a person of uncertain existence.
posted by Ken Spratlin
Davis-22213 Teresa Davis
I am doing the best I can ,with what I find. Ken if you want to help feel free. I only want to show facts myself. I am not the best Wikitree person. But I do try. I am starting to think that Joseph only had two maybe three of those children lised above,and there profiles maybe combined with fathers and son's sources mixed together. I am desperately try to sort this out.
posted by Teresa Davis
Ken Spratlin
Hi Teresa,

It looks like Larry George and you at the two active researchers for Joseph Kimball. I have experience editing a profile to follow Jack Day's suggested process to deconflate profiles.

If it is ok with you, I can edit this profile (and create other profiles as needed) to set it up for you and Larry and whoever else can do the research. So I'd focus on "organization" and the others of you would focus on the "research" and then putting that research into the organized Research Notes.

Ken

posted by Ken Spratlin
Davis-22213 Teresa Davis
Sound good. What about you Larry?
posted by Teresa Davis
Larry George
Sounds good to me. If Ken will set up the template, then you, I and others can enter pros and cons for each option.

I think maybe the only thing we know for sure is info about the purported 5 sons from the deed and land transaction records that began to appear in the early 1700s. They appear to have had a father (or fathers) named Joseph. Only fragmented info is available before that. Maybe with this new approach we'll be able to figure out who he was and his origins.

Thank you, Ken!

posted by Larry George
Ken Spratlin
When this profile was created on 8 Apr 2011, it was for:

Joseph Kimball; Born 21 Jan 1662 in Ipswich, Essex, MA; Died 1669 in Ipswich, Essex, MA; Father Thomas Kimball (Kimball-59), died Bradford, Essex, MA; Mother Mary Knowlton (Smith-11004), died Ipswich, Essex, MA

So died young, presumably with no children!

Now Joseph was born in 1660 in England, died in Virginia at age 51, and was the father of 6 children. And he has no parents.

I guess it is possible the current Biography still represents the Joseph who was at one time thought to have been born 21 Jan 1662 in Ipswich, Essex, MA. But I don't think any of us want to revisit the change history to figure out what happened.

I recommend that someone decide who this Joseph Kimball is meant to represent, and define that person with one or two primary sources. Research can then proceed "outward" from those one or two primary sources while remaining consistent with that definition of who this is. Document it with a Note at the top of the profile defining who this is. See Knight-996 and Knight-3193 for an example of how this was done for two Peter Knights that were hopelessly conflated for a hundred years.

I then second Jack Day's recommendation to start deconflating all sources in the profile into one or more Joseph Kimballs down in the Research Notes, each with their own subheadings, each with their own one or two primary sources defining who they are. Keep the first Joseph Kimball with his confirmed information above in the Biography section as who this profile is. With a profile this confused, should consider only allowing primary sources into the Biography section until it is on a solid foundation.

posted by Ken Spratlin
edited by Ken Spratlin
Ken Spratlin
A tree search for Joseph Kimball born 21 Jan 1662 in Ipswich returns 818 trees. That makes him widely-shared! Among the 818 are flavors of the tree with mother Mercy Hazeltine listed as mother instead of Mary Smith. And the first 100 I checked have ZERO records.
posted by Ken Spratlin
Davis-22213 Teresa Davis
I am working on finding new and better sources. Thanks for the feed back. I may have a new lead on Joseph's father . But so far not turning out.
posted by Teresa Davis
Day-1904 Jack Day
When there is the possibility of conflation, I usually recommend that the possibilities be developed on the already existing profile. There should always be a separate subsection on Children in which the children are listed along with a source as to how you know each child was a child of this particular father and mother. I see a list of children on this profile, but no source as to where it came from. If the list of children is well sourced, then it answers the question, "who is this profile about? -- The answer is "this is the man who is the father of these children."


Then use the Research Notes sections to pose different answers to the question as to the man's origins. "Is this the Joseph Kimball who was in Barbados?" -- now you have a place to document the Barbados information, and whether it might (or might not) fit the Kimball who fathered the list of children. "Is this the Joseph Kimball of Charles City County, Virginia"? And place the documentation for such. Answering these questions takes months and years, so it's good to assemble the information currently available in as coherent a form as possible to assist future researchers.

When you think there is conflation, another approach is to have (two equal signs) Biography for Joseph Kimball of Barbados, (two equal signs) Biography for Joseph Kimball father of the children, etc, as well as (two equal signs) Undiffererentiated Joseph Kimball. That gives you places to assemble all the facts without prematurely trying to get them to fit. If in the end you decide it';s really just one Joseph Kimball, all the material is already on the profile. If in the end you conclude there are several, then some of the material can be moved to new profiles, already sourced. But I wouldn't rush to create the new profiles; the research is a lot easier if it's all on the same profile, and you have the freedom to move a specific land purchase from the Bio of Joseph Kimball A to the Bio of Joseph Kimball B when you're trying to see how things fit together.

posted by Jack Day
edited by Jack Day
Ken Spratlin
Is the M.J. Chandler source (#1) for the fact above or below the ref tag?
posted by Ken Spratlin
Larry George
The puzzle of the origin of Joseph Kimball of Virginia and of his progeny goes on. We really need a clarifying note by that Research Note above about the John Kimball of Charles City County Virginia. From what we now know there are at least three Joseph Kimballs mixed up in that narrative. According to Morrison and Sharples, the one who married Elizabeth Needham was a 1st cousin of the Joseph Kimball, son of Thomas killed in the Indian raid. That Joseph was a mariner and although there is no record of this could have traveled to Virginia and may have had a second illegal family. The Joseph, son of Thomas, who was impressed into his Majesty's Service and many say jumped ship in southern Virginia was firmly in New England in 1692 when his brothers vouched for him. Also, his birth and death dates are often confused with his cousin, the other Joseph. The latter Joseph disappears from the written record after this, so the jump-ship theory could be possible - just not proven. The Joseph who came thru Barbados did so from England (rather than New England) as an indentured servant. We now have Chandler's original paper published by the Barbados Historical Society showing that. The record of an "Con" in Busby's tithables could be that same Joseph. Also "Con" could be either Conscript or Convict - we just don't know. Another possibility is that there were more than one Joseph Kimball in the Surry Virginia area that keep popping up in the record and confusing everything.

Bottom line: There are several possible origins for our Joseph Kimball of interest. Until we have some consistent written documentation, I suggest that it's wise to refer to "a Joseph Kimball" instead of just Joseph Kimball when discussing this guy. To say the latter implies that there is only one and we actually know his origins.

posted by Larry George
edited by Larry George
Ken Spratlin
Hi Larry, Do I read your comment correctly that this profile currently contains conflated information? If so, what source nails down the person this profile is meant to represent? Will, other? And if so, is the conflation common in other on-line genealogies (Ancestry, FamilySearch, etc.)?

Thank you

posted by Ken Spratlin
Larry George
No, I'm just saying this history currently posted adopts one story line about Joseph's origin without giving due diligence to other options. None of them are well documented. In this narrative, Joseph is from England rather than New England. Chandler's paper published by the Barbados Historical Society does document a Joseph Kimball who was a conscript on a ship bound for the American colonies via Barbados. I have a copy of that paper. However, there appears to be no record of his arrival or that of his bondsman in the colonies. There is the tithe record of the Busby's showing a Joseph Kimball, Con (Conscript or Convict?), so this story line is possibly true.

Then there was the long held popular story of Joseph, son of Thomas who was killed in the New England Indian raid, being impressed into the Royal Navy and perhaps jumping ship in Virginia to become the Joseph of record. That Joseph does disappear from the written record shortly after 1692 when he was vouched for by his brothers since he was not yet 21. (Morrison & Sharples). Again, possible, but no conclusive documentation.

No one, except me perhaps, has considered that Joseph's cousin, the mariner may have traveled to Virginia and had a second bigamous family there. In looking at the various comments on Joseph of Virginia some have him married to Elizabeth Needham. She was Joseph, the mariner's wife. On Ancestry and elsewhere, data for these two Josephs is mixed up and inconsistent birth and death dates derived. Again, possible, but absolutely no documentation on this other than speculation.

Then there was a Thomas Kimball who was an indentured servant on a Gloucester Virginia plantation who was about the right age to have possibly had a son who might have been named Joseph. No documentation of a son, but certainly a possibility.

Then there's Jim white's book that gives a completely different story line where a family of American mariners (many named William Kimball) had estates near Calais, France and traveled frequently to New England and the Virginia plantations. He posits that this group which had some family at one time on Virginia's northern neck, gave rise to Joseph and the southern Kimball/Kimbell clan.

What I'm saying is that there are multiple possibilities for Joseph's origin with poorly developed documentation. To pick one theory as fact seems premature. There may actually be more than one Joseph who lived in the Surry, VA area at the same time thus muddling the history even more. Thus, I think we should say "a Joseph" was identified doing such and such or at some particular place until we know which Joseph we may be talking about.

posted by Larry George
Davis-22213 Teresa Davis
I have removed both wives until i can find better proof to their connection to Joseph Kimball.
posted by Teresa Davis
Athey-67 Darlene (Athey) Athey-Hill
Hi Teresa, when you detach parents or spouses, it's best to put a note (perhaps under 'Research Notes') in the biography along with a link to the detached profiles. This allows others to be aware of the detached spouses as well as the reason for detaching them. Thanks.
posted by Darlene (Athey) Athey-Hill
Davis-22213 Teresa Davis
We do know that the earliest record of Joseph is a tithe record for Thomas Busby. So I assume that he was either living on Thomas Busby's premises,or in his home.So I am going with this for more sources..Wish me luck!
posted by Teresa Davis
edited by Teresa Davis
Larry George
Teresa - I was puzzled by the annotation ", Con" following Jos. Kimball's name in Busby's tithables list under Earliest Records. Initially I thought it meant "Conscript", but now I think he may have been an indentured Convict.

From the web:

What were the three types of indentured servants? ... bound to labor for a period of years. There were three well-known classes: the free-willers, or redemptioners; those who were enticed to leave their home country out of poverty or who were kidnapped for political or religious reasons; and convicts.

I think we're going to find that ship reported by Chandler in the Journal of Barbados Museum and History Society was a whole boatload of indentured servants bound for Virginia

My take is that Busby had one indentured servant (Convict) and one Indian servant that he had to pay tithes on.

posted by Larry George
Davis-22213 Teresa Davis
You may be right ! I never thought about that. Do you think maybe the Indian my have been Josephs wife? His assumed sons were born right after the date of the tithable list.
posted by Teresa Davis
Larry George
Some researchers (and even my family lore) have suggested that Joseph may have had an Indian wife at one point, so that is possible. (My own DNA shows no Native American heritage, so either the linkage is wrong somewhere or the DNA is too weak to detect from that many generations back.)

I had never realized how many indentured servants came from England to the Colonies - by the thousands it seems. As to Joseph possibly being a convict, one could get convicted in England of simply blowing your nose the wrong way according to one article I was reading.

Let me address some of the issues raised in other Joseph comments on this site. The lore and fanciful tales of Joseph, son of Thomas, of Indian abduction fame in New England being in the Royal Navy and jumping ship in Virginia would seem to be a relatively recent invention. Morrison and Sharples, "History of Kimball Family in Americal from 1634 to 1897 and of Its Ancestors the Kemballs or Kemboldes of England" (1897) did not mention this story. However, they took great delight in relaying the story of Thomas' dying at the hands of the Indians in 1676 and the abduction of his wife and several of his children including Joseph. (Of course, that story was well documented by the press and the authorities at the time.) Their book was published in 1897, so that story may well have evolved after this time.

In M&S' recount of Joseph, son of Thomas, he seems to disappear from the written history after he was indentured, impressed into his Majesty's Service twice and his brothers vouched for his age. By the way, if you do the arithmetic from the age given by his brothers as I think you may have done, his birth date was around 1670 - 71 rather than 1662. I think 1662 is the birth date of the Joseph in the next paragraph and the data is mixed up.

M&S also clear up one of the other puzzles that various researchers of this site have posed. Joseph, son of Thomas, had a cousin also named Joseph who was about the same age and died near the same time - maybe a few years earlier. He was son of Henry a brother of the other Joseph's father, Thomas. Both Henry and Thomas were sons of Richard the Emigrant who led a large group of Puritans to the Boston area from Ipswich, Eng in 1634. This Joseph was a Mariner and could have traveled to Virginia as a Yankee trader although there is no record of this. He's the one who married Elizabeth Needham. It appears that he was born and died in New England.

The snippet someone posted from the Journal of the Barbados Museum and Historical Society showing a Joseph Kimball from England age 22 arriving in Virginia is a quote from Jim white's book, "Cathey Family with 32 Immigrant Allied and Collateral Families" If you look up White on the web, you'll find a lot of researchers hold his work suspect and say that sometimes he just makes stuff up. Let's assume that's an actual quote for the moment. I'm trying to get a copy of Chandler's original journal article so we can see what it says in context.

White goes so far as to speculate that the meager 10 Lb. Joseph Kimball estate probated by Mallory in Surry Co. in 1713 belonged to Joseph Kimball, the Mariner. However, he also goes on to say that the father of the 5 sons was a William Kimball from Westmoreland Co., Vir. rather than Joseph although I don't think there's any evidence of this. At this point, I personally do not believe either of these claims without proof.

By the way, note that there are two Benjamin Kimball records given as sons of Joseph of Surry Co. in this record. Benjamin A. Kimball and Benjamin Ansel Kimball. One would suspect that the two are one in the same and we need to de-tease and verify the data and merge the records. Note that they are listed as half-brothers of the other 4. Maybe Benjamin was a son by the Indian wife?

posted by Larry George
Larry George
I did finally get a copy of the article from the Barbados journal. Always good to read in context..

M.J Chandler,"Emigrants from Britain to the Colonies of America and the West Indies", Journal of Barbados Museum and Historical Society, vol 36.1 (1979), pp. 28-43.

The list is of 410 indentured servants bound for the colonies. The Joseph Kimball in question is on p. 35. His bondsman was Benjamin Johnson - 3 of his charges bound for Barbados and 31 for Virginia. Joseph is listed as being age 22 and bound for Virginia.

The list is abstracted from lists somewhere in the 3-year span from 1682 to 1684 was made by a clerk in London, so one would suspect that was their proposed point of origin. Now whether they ever actually boarded ship or actually arrived at their appointed destination is another question.

It is probable that they came thru Barbados or the author (Chandler) wouldn't have been interested. Also the list indicated quite a few bound for Barbados, so it's probably safe to assume the whole batch came thru there.

Interesting that Ruth Kimbell Charles in "The Kimbell Trail" listed a man named Emerson as Joseph's bondsman. Maybe there were two different Joseph Kimballs from England bound for America in that general time frame? She didn't provide a source so we cannot check it.

We've yet to find a record of a Joseph Kimball (either from Mass or England) arriving in Virginia. We do need to see if there is a record of the bondsman, Benjamin Johnson, arriving there. RKC says Emerson wound up in Massachusetts.

posted by Larry George
Davis-22213 Teresa Davis
I am still looking to prove the wives. Frances maybe Ellen Frances Simmions. The Shearin lady is still yet to be determined. If I do not find something on her soon other than FAG. I will remove her also.
posted by Teresa Davis
Davis-22213 Teresa Davis
I am removing the above disputed origins. Joseph who married Elizabeth Needham,and Joseph who was the assummed son of Thomas and Mary,are two different people.And neither seem to be kin to this Joseph Kimball.
posted by Teresa Davis
Davis-22213 Teresa Davis
I have removed Frances Simmons as a wife for Joseph. I do not think there is a Frances Simmons to be found. I will keep looking.
posted by Teresa Davis
Smith-32867 Jillaine Smith
Teresa, I see you added Frances Simmons back as his wife. What's the source for her?
posted by Jillaine Smith
Davis-22213 Teresa Davis
Jillaine, you are correct. I found the book with the Barbados info. It states that the Joseph in the Barbados record is married to Elizabeth Needham,and she died in 1708,Boston. So this could not be the Joseph in this profile. Below is the source where you can read it.

https://books.google.com/books?id=gwFUCAAAQBAJ&pg=PT499&lpg=PT499&dq=CHANDLER,+M.J.+Migrants+from+Britain+to+the+Colonies+of+America+and+the+West+Indies.+In+The+Journal+of+the+Barbados+Museum+and+Historical+Society,+vol.+36:1&source=bl&ots=GHeTgIj_Qq&sig=ACfU3U26W4p-nc33huvRUIBdnDcird12iA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiLramLmKDsAhVju1kKHT-RCb4Q6AEwAXoECAEQAg#v=onepage&q=CHANDLER%2C%20M.J.%20Migrants%20from%20Britain%20to%20the%20Colonies%20of%20America%20and%20the%20West%20Indies.%20In%20The%20Journal%20of%20the%20Barbados%20Museum%20and%20Historical%20Society%2C%20vol.%2036%3A1&f=false

posted by Teresa Davis
Smith-32867 Jillaine Smith
Can we get a source for Joseph's marriage, please?
posted by Jillaine Smith
Parks-2399 Kathie (Parks) Forbes
CHANDLER, M.J. "Emigrants from Britain to the Colonies of America and the West Indies." In The Journal of the Barbados Museum and Historical Society, vol. 36:1 (1979), pp. 28-43.

Quoting from the article: "This list contains the names of 410 indentured servants and the original of it is to be found in the Muniment Room of the Guildhall Library, London under the call mark MS 6679. ... The manuscript had been previously catalogued as MS 6243." Joseph Kimball, age 22, is listed as from Britain to Virginia.

Clearly the man who arrived in Virginia c. 1682 is NOT the same man who was born in Massachusetts. There were two Joseph Kimballs who are combined in this profile and need to be separated.

posted by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
edited by Kathie (Parks) Forbes
Davis-22213 Teresa Davis
Have you read :

http://legendsofthefamily.blogspot.com/2014/10/joseph-kimball-carpenter-sailor-and.html This will explain why it is thought he went from Mass. to Barbados to Virginia.

posted by Teresa Davis
Davis-22213 Teresa Davis
If you feel this is wrong,please make changes.
posted by Teresa Davis
Davis-22213 Teresa Davis
So I found this today. Showing a Joseph,Charles and William Kimball . It's about a land grant in Surry co. Va. Sept,28,1728.

http://www.planetmurphy.org/pagebuild.php?pagebody1=TatumPeter1675-1771.htm Not sure if this is the Joseph of this Profile. I will keep looking.

posted by Teresa Davis
Smith-32867 Jillaine Smith
Thanks, Teresa. The referenced land deeds start 20 or more years after this Joseph's death, so must refer to 1-2 generations after him.
posted by Jillaine Smith
Davis-22213 Teresa Davis
I know now that this is the son of Joseph.Also named Joseph. The dates confirm this.
posted by Teresa Davis
Smith-32867 Jillaine Smith
Kathrine Patterson and Teresa Davis, we need a good source for the Joseph son of Thomas and Mary being the man who ended up in Virginia, as well as sources for his wives and children. Can you help?
posted by Jillaine Smith
Davis-22213 Teresa Davis
I will spend more time on this. Virginia Rebecca Shearin is my kin. It will be hard,I will do my best.Thanks
posted by Teresa Davis
Stormo-10 Kaylinn Stormo
Hey group, I am not sure if this is the best way to communicate. If not please let me know. For the sources listed 1 and 3 list Joseph son of Henry as the husband of Elizabeth Needham. I have add and linked them to a new profile for the second Joseph Joseph Kimball. Looking at the Family Search profile it is suggested they were married about 1701. I assume that is based of the birth date of their first son Joseph born in 1701.

Joseph son of Thomas is also listed in sources 1 and 3 but they do not say who he is married too. Reference 1 It does state (Judicial Records, 52, 68). pg. 43.

I am still looking for copies of NEW ENGLAND MARRIAGES PRIOR TO 1700, pg. 438., "THE KIMBELL TRAIL" by Ruth Kimbell Charles;1993; (It says unpublished but you never know), and I am waiting for a copy of CHANDLER, M.J. "Emigrants from Britain to the Colonies of America and the West Indies.".

We should completely disregard Find a Grave as a source. There are no grave markers as evidence. Elizabeth is attached to both Joseph's and may be attached to incorrect parents. Edmund Needham of Lynn, Mass., and his descendants https://archive.org/details/edmundneedhamofl00lind/page/n17/mode/2up/search/Elizabeth+?q=David+Needham+Chadwell suggest she was married to Anthony Sears. Someone also made a comment on the Find a Grave profile.

If we look at the Family Search Profile with the three wives there is an overlap with the children born, and look to have these two Joseph's confused. https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/L19C-KH1 Marriage dates suggested are Ellen Frances Simmons - 1697, Elizabeth Needham- 1701, and Virginia Rebecca Shearin - 1703. Or on this profile Virginia being the mother of all 5 children. If we believe that Charles Kimball is a son of this profile, Joseph son of Thomas could not have married Elizabeth Needham.


I still suggest that we disconnect Elizabeth Needham from this profile unless there is a reliable source that we can read.

posted by Kaylinn Stormo
edited by Kaylinn Stormo
Stormo-10 Kaylinn Stormo
I do wonder if two Joseph Kimball profiles where accidentally combined. The Joseph listed in the History of the Kimball Family in America, from 1634 to 1897: And ..., Volume 1, is married to Elizabeth Needham. He does not leave NH. If this Joseph did not marry a Elizabeth Needham, I recommend that detach her and start a new Joseph Kimball Profile. https://books.google.com/books?id=DrJsSz3KXHoC&pg=PA198&dq=Betsey+Scales+Kimball+Lovejoy&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiDuJiY9enoAhUKGDQIHX0kB9MQ6AEwAnoECAMQAg#v=snippet&q=Joseph%201701&f=false

There is definitely a tangle somewhere.

posted by Kaylinn Stormo
edited by Kaylinn Stormo
Smith-32867 Jillaine Smith
That looks right, Kaylinn. Would you help in the detangling?
posted by Jillaine Smith
Davis-22213 Teresa Davis
If Joseph wasn't 21 in 1692 and lacked 5 months of being so , it would mean his birth date is 1670-1671 not 1662.Correct?
posted by Teresa Davis
Bittner-246 Tim Bittner
Kimball-473 and Kimball-241 appear to represent the same person because: These appear to be the same individual and have the same spouse of Shearin-1.
posted by Tim Bittner

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