Avice (Kingsley) de Thornton (abt. 1210 - aft. 1259)

Born about 1210 in Kingsley, Cheshire, England

Ancestors

Wife of Randle (Thornton) de Thornton — married about 1210 in Cheshire, England [uncertain]

Descendants

Died after 28 Oct 1259 after about age 49 in England

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Biography

Parents and Birth

Boyer states that Avice (or Amicia) de Kingesley, was the daughter of Richard, Lord of Kingeslegh and was the sister and coheir of Ranulph de Kingslegh. ^[1]

For Omerod, Amicia was the daughter of Richard de Kingsley, and sister and coheir of Randle his son, living a widow 28th Hen. III. (28 October 1248-27 October 1249) ^[2] who was in office 1181-1232.

Birth Year Estimates

As the daughter of her father's first marriage, she was born in the time period 1205-1220. Estimate her birth as, say, 1210.

Boyer notes that she was living in 1279 and perhaps 2 Edw II (1308-1309). ^[1] which would place her considerably later.

Marriage to Randle le Roter

Ormerod states that she married Randle le Roter, Lord of Thornton, son and heir of Peter, Secretary of Randle Blundeville, Earl of Chester. Randle ob ante 28 Hen III. (1243-1244) ^[2]

Sir Ranulph (or Randle) Le Roter, alias DeThornton, son and heir of Peter le Clerc, Lord of Thorneton, lived during the times of Philip de Orreby and Sir John de Grey, justices. ^[1]

He was granted the vill of Onston by the Earl of Chester.^[1]

Sir Ranulph le Roter was dead by 29 Henry III (1243-1244) ^[1]

Ormerod states that Randle married Amicia, daughter of Richard de Kingsley, and sister and coheiress of Randle de Kingsley, Richard's son. ^[2]

Boyer agrees that Randle married Avice (or Amicia) de Kingsley, daughter of Richard, Lond of Kingslegh, and sister and coheir of Ranulph de Kingslegh. ^[1]

1244: Death of Husband Randle

Randle died before the 28th of Henry III (so before 28 October 1243, that being the date Amice was referred to as a widow in a charter.^[3][2][1]

The solid date around which estimates must cluster is the a deed bearing the date of the 28th of Henry III (1243-1244), in which Henry Done gives one bovatre of land in Kingsley to Amicia, who is then Randle's widow. From this we know that Randle died before 1244, but we do not know how much before, and we know that Amicia survived him, but we do not know for how long. ^[4]

Amicia was Randle's widow by the 28th of Henry III (1244) when she was identified in a deed by which Henry Done gives her a bovate of land in Kingsley. ^[3]

Lands to Daughter Cecilia

At the time of her daughter's marriage, by another deed but without date, Amicia, widow of this Randle, gives lands in Crowton to David, son of Philip de Malpas, "in frank marriage" with Cecilia, her daughter.^{[4] [3]}

By another deed, but without date, Amicia, widow of this Randle, gives lands in Crowton to David, son of Philip de Malpas, in frank marriage with Cecilia, her daughter. ^[4]

Boyer notes that Amicia was living in 1279, and perhaps 2 Edward II (1308-1309) ^[1]

Note that the following profiles can easily be confused:

• Cecily Thornton, born, say, 1215, daughter of Randle Thornton and Amicia Kingsley
• Cecily Thornton, b. say 1234, daughter of Randolph Thornton and granddaughter of Randle Thornton and Amicia Kingsley

1259-60 Sued by Mabel Donn for Dower

In 44 Henry III [28 October 1259-27 October 1260], Mabel Donn who was the wife of Richard de Donn, against "Dominus" Roger de Venables, "Dominus" Thomas de Orreby, Richard, son of Richard de Donn, Emma, who was the wife of William Gerard, Avice de Thornton, and William Launcelin' and Joan, his wife, for dower of lands in Crowton and Kingsley. Dame Emma Kingel' vouches to warranty the "Dominus" Edward, guardian of Richard, son and heir of Richard de Donn.^[5]

Death

Avice was living in 1279 and perhaps 2 Edw II (1308-1309). ^[1]

1215 Issue

Assume at this time that the children were born about 1215, thus the estimated births -- Peter, 1215, Cecily, 1217, Alice, 1219, Randle, 1221, Richard, 1223, and Alan, 1225. These estimated are highly speculative and useful primarily for placing a person in the correct time period.

1. Peter, married Matilda le Clerc ^[1] Sir Peter le Roter de Thornton, knt, ob 8 Edw I, married Matilda, daughter of Richard, son of William le Clerc, of Chester. ^[2] Peter's IPM was 26 November 8 Edward I (1279), giving Peter's son Randle a birth year of circa 1257. ^[6] His son Randle was aged 22 when Peter died. The IPM ^[6] identifies Randle's inheritance as manors of Honeston and Thoreton; knights fees at Kingslegh and Stanthrel; salt pit at Northwich; 2 bovates of land at Aston upon Wevre; messuages at Middlewich and Cestre.
2. Cecily or Cecelia, b. 1198, Thornton, d. 1290 Malpas. married David de Malpas ^[1] Cecelia, wife of David de Malpas. ^[2]
3. Alice, married Richard de Hellesby. Alice is shown as a daughter by Boyer ^[1] but not by Ormerod ^[2]
4. Randle, born 1186 in Lancashire. (Birthplace questionable), rector of Thorneton 52 Hen III (1277-1278) ^[1] Rnadle, brother of Peter, rector of Thornton 52 Hen III. ^[2]
5. Richard, prob. the Abbot of Stanlaw, who died 1269 ^[1] Richard, 52 Hen III. ^[2] (1267-1268)
6. Alan of Halton, probable son, shown by Boyer^[1] but not by Ormerod. ^[2]

Randle was previously shown on WikiTree as the father of Sir Allen de Thornton, born 1225. No source has been found for this relationship and it has been disconnected.

Research Notes

Kingsley Pedigree

In 31 Edward I, 1302/3, the following pedigree was entered into the pleas of the Circuit of the fforests of Mara and Moundren: ^[7]

Ranulphe I Earle of Chester granted the office of Bailywick and keeping of the forrest of Delamer to Rafe Kingesley (alias Ranulph) de Kingesley and his heirs and Assingnes for ever.

1. Ranulph had:
   1. Ranulph who had:
      1. Richard Kingesley who had:
         1. Emm, who married William Gerrard;
            1. William Gerard;
               1. William Gerrard living in 31 Edward III;
         2. Agnes who married William Launceline;
            1. William Launcelin;
               1. William Launcelin;
                  1. Richard Launcelin;
                     1. Henry Launcelin;
                        1. Richard Launcelin living in 31 Edward III;
         3. Avice who married Randolph Thornton;
            1. Piers Thornton;
               1. Ranulph Thornton;
                  1. Piers Thornton living in 31 Edward III;
                     1. Ellin who married Thomas Dutton;
                        1. Piers Dutton living in 31 Edward III;
                     2. Mary who married William Coulborne living in 31 Edward III;
                     3. Emm who married Hugh de Weverham;
                        1. Matthew de Weverham living in 31 Edward III;
                     4. Elizabeth who married Hamon ffitton;
                     5. Mauld who married Henry Beetson living in 31 Edward III;
                     6. Beatrix who married Thomas Samsbury living in 31 Edward III;
            2. Cicely who married David de Egerton son to Phillip de Mallpas;
         4. Jane, the youngest, who married Henry Done, and to whom was allotted the Baylywick or Master fforrester of the said fforrest of Delamer;
            1. Richard Done;
               1. Richard Done;
                  1. Richard Done living in 31 Edward III;

Sources

Citations

1. ↑ ^{1.00 1.01 1.02 1.03 1.04 1.05 1.06 1.07 1.08 1.09 1.10 1.11 1.12 1.13 1.14} Carl Boyer 3rd. Medieval English Ancestors of Certain Americans. By the author: Santa Clarita, California, 2001. Avice's husband Ranulph Le Roter is #2 on page 239.
2. ↑ ^{2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 2.6 2.7 2.8 2.9} George Ormerod. The History of the County Palatine and City of C032, hester... Volume II, Containing the Hundreds of Edisbury, Wirral, and Broxton. London, Lackington, Hughes, Harding, Mavor and Jones: 1818. Malpas Thornton of Thornton Pedigree Table Page 16. Citing Harl. MS 2119, 2032, 1535, and Chesh. Ped. Coll. Arm. Accessed June 24, 2018 jhd
3. ↑ ^{3.0 3.1 3.2} Ormerod, 214
4. ↑ ^{4.0 4.1 4.2} Ormerod, 15
5. ↑ Peter Turner, comp, "Appendix 4. Welsh Records. Calendar of Deeds, Inquisitions, and Writs of Dower, Enrolled on the Plea Rolls of the County of Chester; Henry III and Edward I", The Twenty-Sixth Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records [18 February 1865], (London: Her Majesty's Stationery Office, 1865), 36, e-book HathiTrust (https://hdl.handle.net/2027/mdp.39015039450500?urlappend=%3Bseq=352%3Bownerid=34524627-351 : accessed 16 April, 2022).
6. ↑ ^{6.0 6.1} Public Records Office. Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Volume II, Edward I. #360 Peter de Thurneton London: His Majesty's Stationary Office, 1906. Accessed 20 November 2020 jhd
7. ↑ John Paul Rylands, ed., The visitation of Cheshire in the year 1580 made by Robert Glover, Somerset Herald, for William Flower, Norroy king of arms, with numerous additions and continuations, including those from the visitation of Cheshire made in the year 1566, by the same herald. With an appendix, containing the Visitation of a part of Cheshire in the year 1533, made by William Fellows, Lancaster Herald, for Thomas Benolte, Clarenceux king of arms. And a fragment of the Visitation of the City of Chester in the year 1591, made by Thomas Chaloner, deputy to the Office of arms, The Publications of the Harleian Society, XVIII, (London: Harleian Society, 1882), accessed 12 April, 2015, https://archive.org/stream/visitationofches00glov#page/82/mode/2up pp.83.

Bibliography of Frequently Cited References

George Ormerod. The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester... Volume II, Containing the Hundreds of Edisbury, Wirral, and Broxton. London, Lackington, Hughes, Harding, Mavor and Jones: 1818. Malpas Thornton of Thornton Pedigree. Volume II, pages 214-216. Accessed June 24, 2018 jhd