George Leach
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George Leach (1845)

George Leach
Born in Leeds, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdommap
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Husband of — married 13 Aug 1866 in Hyde, Cheshire, England, United Kingdommap
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Died [date unknown] [location unknown]
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George Leach was born in Leeds, Yorkshire, England.

George was born on the 27th Sep 1845, & baptised on the 19th Oct 1845 at St Peters Church, Leeds, Yorkshire, England. George is the son of Thomas Leach and Sarah Saville. [1] [2]

In 1851 George, aged 5, is living with his parents Thomas and Sarah at no 2 Carnation Street, Leeds, Yorkshire. Also in the household are George's sister Elizabeth aged 4 and brother John, aged 6 months. George's father Thomas is a machine maker. [3]

In 1861 George's family have moved to Thetford, Norfolk. George is 15 and is an apprentice iron turner. [4]

George married Phoebe Clegg on the 13th of August 1866, in St. Georges Church, Hyde, Stockport, Cheshire. George was 21, a mechanic, the son of Thomas Leach, a turner. Phoebe 25. a weaver, the daughter of John Clegg, a fustian cutter. Witnesses to the marriage were William Shelmerdine, and Thomas Leach. [5] See the image of the marriage certificate.


At the baptism of their son John T., George's occupation is a mechanic.

In 1891 George aged 45 is a widower and living with his father Thomas and mother Sarah. George's occupation is an iron turner. [6]

In 1901 George 54, is living with his widowed mother Sarah 75, in Droylsden, Lancashire. George is still working as a iron fitter. [7]


Research Notes

I have not been able to find George on the 1871 or 1881 census. Smith-245120 20:11, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Something to note, the 1871 census for Openshaw, where George's parents were living, only has a person's initials, so names could be mistranscribed. [8] Smith-245120 13:34, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

In the 1871 census Phoebe appears with son John T, but she is listed as Married (not Widow). I could not find Phoebe in the 1881 census either. McNabb-412 12:44, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Possible 1871 census entry for George. In Leeds. George age 23, an engine fitter, lodging with William Leach and family. George's age is slightly wrong and it says he is unmarried. [9]


Possible record for George on the 1911 census. Ashton Under Lyne Union Workhouse, George Leach, age 68, inmate, mechanic born in Leeds. [10] Smith-245120 12:19, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Sources

  1. GRO Index Search: LEACH, GEORGE / Mother's maiden name: SAVILLE. GRO Reference: 1845 D Quarter in LEEDS Volume 23 Page 434
  2. Baptism: "West Yorkshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910"
    West Yorkshire Archive Service; Wakefield, Yorkshire, England; Yorkshire Parish Records; New Reference Number: RDP68/3A/13
    Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 2252 #7929148 (accessed 14 April 2022)
    George Leach baptism on 19 Oct 1845 (born 27 Sep 1845), child of Thomas & Sarah, in Leeds, St Peter, Yorkshire, England.
  3. "England and Wales Census, 1851," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SPMV-M4J : 12 September 2019), Thomas Leach, Leeds, Yorkshire,Yorkshire (West Riding), England; citing Leeds, Yorkshire,Yorkshire (West Riding), England, p. 14, from "1851 England, Scotland and Wales census," database and images, findmypast (http://www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives of the UK, Kew, Surrey.
  4. 1861 Census: "1861 England Census"
    Class: RG 9; Piece: 1267; Folio: 60; Page: 11; GSU roll: 542787
    Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record uki1861 #14042266 (accessed 14 April 2022)
    George Leach (15) son in household of Thomas Leach (38) in Thetford registration district. Born in Leeds, Yorkshire, England.
  5. Marriage: "England, Cheshire Parish Registers, 1538-2000"
    Family Search (accessed 21 February 2024)
    Phoebe Clegg (25y) marriage to George Leach (21y) on 13 Aug 1866 in St George, Hyde, Cheshire, England.
  6. 1891 Census: "1891 England Census"
    The National Archives of the UK (TNA); Kew, Surrey, England; Census Returns of England and Wales, 1891; Class: RG12; Piece: 3283; Folio: 42; Page: 33; GSU roll: 6098393
    Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 6598 #21106193 (accessed 14 April 2022)
    George Leach (45) son in household of Thomas Leach (68) in Ashton Under Lyne registration district. Born in Leeds, Yorkshire, England.
  7. 1901 Census: "England and Wales Census, 1901" citing Audenshaw subdistrict, PRO RG 13, The National Archives, Kew, Surrey.familysearch Sarah Leach (75), widowed head of household in Droylsden in Ashton Under Lyne registration district in Lancashire, England. Born in Leeds, Yorkshire. (accessed 12 Jul 2022)
  8. 1871 Census: "1871 England Census"
    The National Archives; Kew, London, England; 1871 England Census; Class: RG10; Piece: 3984; Folio: 83; Page: 1; GSU roll: 846092; ED, institution, or vessel: 55; Household schedule number: 2
    Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 7619 #5012596 (accessed 12 July 2022)
    T Leach (48) head of household in Manchester, Openshaw in Chorlton registration district in Lancashire, England. Born in Leeds Yorkshire, , England.
  9. 1871 Census: "1871 England Census"
    The National Archives; Kew, London, England; 1871 England Census; Class: RG10; Piece: 4510; Folio: 94; Page: 36; GSU roll: 848469; ED, institution, or vessel: 4; Household schedule number: 212
    Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 7619 #26139587 (accessed 12 July 2022)
    George Leach (23) lodger in household of William Leach (31) in Hunslet, Leeds in Hunslet registration district in Yorkshire, England. Born in Leeds Yorkshire, , England.
  10. 1911 Census: "1911 England Census"
    The National Archives of the UK (TNA); Kew, Surrey, England; Census Returns of England and Wales, 1911; Registration District Number: 468; ED, institution, or vessel: 27-29; Piece: 24366
    Ancestry Sharing Link - Ancestry Record 2352 #20313868 (accessed 12 July 2022)
    George Leech (68), widowed inmate, Mechanic, in household of Frederick Shore (51) in Ashton Under Lyne, England. Born in Leeds, Yorkshire, England.




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Next question: in the 1901 census for George's parents (where George is also living) there is "Herbert Leach, grandson". Any ideas about whose son Herbert was?

There is an 1889 birth at Bury for Herbert Leach , mother's maiden name NUTTALL -- however there is also an 1889 marriage Ellis Leach (son of Job Leach) to Mary Nuttall, so that might be a red herring.

posted by Matt McNabb
Hi Matt,

I have had a quick look for Herbert but no luck yet. I am investigating the family more and will keep research notes on Sarah's page so you can see what I am doing.

Best regards, Jan

posted by Jan (Smith) Hellier
Ok thanks. I made a profile for Ellis Leach (abt.1863-1931) however the son Herbert has a fair amount of uncertainty
posted by Matt McNabb
Great. I have found all the children for George's brother Joseph, and Herbert is not one of his.
posted by Jan (Smith) Hellier
Possibly the same as George Leach (abt.1840-) - suggested by 66cM AncestryDNA match (3C1R tree relationship if these people are the same) between George's gt-gt-grandson, and a gt-granddaughter of Maria Eliza Leach (bef.1865-)
posted by Matt McNabb
edited by Matt McNabb
Hello Matt,

Yes this looks a good match. I do have George on census with his father Thomas and the rest of the family which I will copy over to George's profile. My husband Ian is descended from George's brother Charles. I will update George's profile with the census and then if you would like to do the merge that would be great.

Best regards, Jan

posted by Jan (Smith) Hellier
Hello again Matt,

I have been going through the census I have for George Leach and I will put these onto the profile of Leach-7218 but I don't think there is enough evidence to confirm a match on that information alone. There are Leach's everywhere! A very common name. What I propose is that for a start I will get a copy of the marriage certificate of George and Phoebe to see who George's father is.

I should get that copy emailed to me by the end of the week. I hope you agree on this strategy.

I will be in touch when it arrives.

Best regards, Jan

posted by Jan (Smith) Hellier
Hello again,

I have just been onto the General Records Office website to order a copy of the marriage certificate and I forgot that with a marriage certificate you can only get a hard copy posted to you not a pdf.

This is not a problem, I can still do this but we are touring Scotland at the moment and we will not be home until the 22nd of May.

I am still happy to get the copy so please let me know if you would like me to go ahead.

Even though we are travelling I still do family history in the evenings (we do not have tv). So I will still do what I can to try to find out more information on George.

Best regards, Jan

posted by Jan (Smith) Hellier
My recommended course of action was also going to be to check the marriage certificate before confirming the merge, so we seem to be on the same page here with our level of caution. It's easier to wait than to un-merge later if it turns out to be wrong .

I'm in New Zealand and when I've ordered a GRO cert before it has taken 3-4 weeks to arrive ... so that would still make it ahead of 22 May !

I will see if I can find some more DNA matches via your George's parents. Does your husband have a DNA test?

One of the matches' trees has a Martha Saville 1838-1923 of Leeds, dau of John Saville + Annice Varey . I have not tried to verify any of that. Only 14cM though.

posted by Matt McNabb
Hello Matt,

My husband Ian is waiting for a DNA kit which has somehow got lost so unfortunately no DNA available at the moment. We are chasing this up with ancestry.

I have updated George's profile with all the census I have found for him. 1851 & 1861 he is still with his parents. I also cannot find 1871 or 1881 but Leach is such an easy name to mistranscribe so he is there somewhere I am sure. Interestingly in 1891 and 1901 George is a widower and is living back with his parents, which does suggest he may be Phoebe's husband as it ties into her death date.

Jane Elizabeth sister of George. We have her on our ancestry tree because we found her on the census but I had not added her to Wiki because I was not sure just being on a census was enough evidence. Thank you for the birth registration you have forwarded it looks good I will get a copy of her birth certificate and report back.

Going back to the marriage of George and Phoebe I have an idea. I will order a copy of the marriage certificate and get it delivered to Ian's sister who can open it and give us the details. If you just confirm you have not ordered it and I will get it done and we should know in about a week.

I hope I have explained every thing ok.

I envy you living in New Zealand. We visited in 2007, such a beautiful country.

Best regards, Jan

posted by Jan (Smith) Hellier
OK, that certificate idea sounds good - thank you for spending the money.

There is a 1911 census for George Leach, born Leeds, widowed, mechanic, age 68 . Ancestry Record 2352 #20313868. He is an inmate of the Ashton-under-Lyne Workhouse.

posted by Matt McNabb
edited by Matt McNabb
Hi Matt,

Yes I found that George Leach on 1911 census as well. The George you are looking for was a mechanic at the baptism of his son. Another clue.

I will order the certificate today. No problem we all need to help each other.

Best regards, Jan

posted by Jan (Smith) Hellier
Hello Matt,

The marriage certificate for George and Phoebe Clegg has arrived. The details are:-

13 Aug 1866, St George's Church, Hyde, Stockport, Chester.

George Leach, age 21, Batchelor, Mechanic, Address, Hyde , Father, Thomas Leach, Fathers occupation Turner? (Lynn could not quite out make out fathers occupation).

Phoebe Clegg, age 25, Spinster, Weaver, Address, Hyde, Father, John Clegg, Fathers occupation,  ? Cutter. (Lynn could not quite make out John's occupation either).

Both George and Phoebe signed.

Witnesses, William Shelmardie (surname hard to make out) and Thomas Leach.

I will attach a copy to George's profile when I am home.

This looks like a match, correct father, age, and occupation. If you would like to go ahead and do the merge that will be fine with me.

Also, thank you for the info on Jane Elizabeth Leach. I have received a copy of her birth certificate based on the references you gave me and it is correct. I have now added her to WIKITREE.

Best regards, Jan

posted by Jan (Smith) Hellier
OK thanks. I proposed the merge and it proposed the reverse direction for some reason, hopefully when you go to complete it prompts to merge to the lower ID. (Not that it really matters)
posted by Matt McNabb
Ok I will have a look. I am not very experienced with merges, I have only done a couple where I had created the same person twice, but I will see how it goes.
posted by Jan (Smith) Hellier
Hello Matt,

I have completed the merge in Leach-7218. I think I have picked up all the bio notes from Leach-7810.

Please make any corrections or amendments which I may have missed, and add any more information you may find.

Best regards, Jan

posted by Jan (Smith) Hellier

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