Danielle Liard

hi Paula, since he's born in Maine, don't have any original records for him to say yeah or nay to LNAB. Have done a bit of fix-ups and added a source on there, still needs some major clean-up to bio, and better sources, as trees are not considered a reliable source pre-1700.

Danielle

thanks Helen, have set them to merge. It truly is the same woman.

I presume you are referring to this G2G post?

https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1733249/activity-reports-can-skip-them-when-all-they-give-birthdays

This has nothing to do with Ales, has been around in reports for ages. Getting mightily tired of have floods of reports that only have this in them, time consuming for no result.

I suppose some of his time in Kaskaskia, Illinois, may have been in the Northwest Territory.

Northwest Territory is nowhere near Illinois, nor what was known as the Illinois country, NWT is all in Canada now, basically the prairie provinces and everything north of them.

Sorry, I was speaking of the Northwest Territory of the United States (1787–1803) which has a great deal of overlap with Pays des Illinois / Haute-Louisiane. I had forgotten that Canada also has Northwest Territories. Apologies for the confusion.

Père Gibault would be of little interest to the Louisiana Project, which covers the US state of Louisiana. By the time Gibault was ordained by the Bishop of Quebec in 1768 and made Vicar General of the Pays des Illinois, the area was under British control anyway, so perhaps the Quebec project cannot cover the entire Province of Quebec (1763–1791) and the québécois folks sent down there in the early 1700s to try to hold the territory for France. It makes sense that you may have ceded the territory to the US Project as well!

I thought since he was in the Dictionary of Canadian Biography I should ask. He is certainly celebrated in Vincennes, Indiana (where my mother was born), for convincing the French settlers to support the American cause in 1778, which motivated Bishop Briand up in Québec (I'll add and orphan him for you) to suspend Gibault from ecclesiastical duties. Gibault either didn't get the memo or chose to ignore it. He has another statue in Ste. Genevieve, Missouri, since he moved there to get away from the British.

Anyway, it does sound like he's a candidate for a US project, even though he was never an American. It's not as if your project manages St. Louis, Missouri, or the rest of the US cities that were originally part of New France! I'll just keep adding the Nouvelle-France categories to my relatives down here who lived before the Treaty of Paris in 1763. Take care!

Okay, here's something that's definitely Quebec: I have corrected French Wikipedia, which says that Gibault was born in Montréal. He was born 7 April 1737 and baptised the same day in St-Sulpice, almost 50 km downstream from Notre-Dame. I can't see how he would be born in Montréal. I don't suppose I'm wrong here?

you are not wrong, Saint-Sulpice is not even on Montréal island. 😁

hi Karen, he is neither an item for Canada nor Québécois project to my mind, more likely Louisiana would be interested.

Bonjour Suzanne,

Your answer is found here:

Our guiding principle for location names is the same as the one for Name Fields: "use their conventions instead of ours."

Applied to locations, this means using place names in native languages and using the names that people at the time used, even if they now no longer exist. (my emphasis)

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Location_Fields#Location_Field_Style_Guide

So if they were French, then it's Bas-Canada.

Danielle

thanks Margaret, have set them to merge, going with the one that has the comma as the French parent category has it.

Thanks Danielle, just one thing, when you do something like that can you use Rename not Merge, as Merge involves more manual input from us. I've changed that one to Rename. Thanks, cheers, Margaret :)

took a note of that quirk, thanks

thanks, forget when I started helping Migrations site, am still in contact with Jocelyne who was webmistress for it. She and her husband started it, but are in failing health now.

thanks Amy, cute picture! 😁

hi Jane, as I have said elsewhere, FaG is not considered a reliable source.

yup, hi cousin.

Danielle 😁

salut E., non, pas de bug, le PPP protège le nom et les liens familiaux, n'empêche pas d'éditer ni d'ajouter des sources.

merci, suis rarement là pour ce projet, je suis à nettoyer la catégorie French immigrants to New France présentement, et tant qu'à y être je corriges les autres défauts flagrants sur ces profils. 1 pierre 2 coups.

Danielle

Also I came across a profile that may need project protection?

I adopted the profile in order to merge it with another, but I do not speak French and am not sure which project would be best to manage this: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Pichour-1

Antoine Pichour has no descendants, so no, wouldn't put him under PPP, his only connection to the rest of the tree is his wife, who is already under PPP herself. I have the category for France project to create profiles for his family over there.

very good notion that, thanks. Always trying to get PMs to correct them, but it takes a while for some to respond, and some never do.

you're quite welcome, I have some of those in my own ancestors.

you're welcome cousin, Blaise and Antoinette are among my ancestors also.

Danielle

hi Deanna, you're welcome. Since you're into this part of the world, you should get familiar with the guidelines for names and location names, see https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Project:Quebecois Québécois project page for guidelines on names and location names, which also apply later.

As a tip, for anything before around 1750, do a search before creating new profiles, a lot of them already exist, small population base.

Danielle

Thank you! I’ll be going through my profiles now. Hopefully I haven’t created too many that already exist. I certainly appreciate your help.

Deanna

hello Ed,

That immigration index is not accessible to non-subscribers. Also, see https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Quebecois_Project_Reliable_Sources Québécois Project reliable sources page. Unless you can extract an actual record of a ship's passenger list, an actual record from the era, then there is no proof. There is NO immigration record for Antoine, such did not exist for people arriving in the colony. Most passenger lists proposed are based on other records of the time, such as Jesuit Relations who say so-and-so arrived, or contractual records where someone got hired in France to come here, etc etc.

Danielle

Just happened upon this message and looked at the ancestry source. Here is the information indicating what the information is and from where it was obtained. Since it's from a 1992 publication, someone may want to try and locate a copy:

Name: Antoine Filion Arrival Year: 1665 Arrival Place: Quebec, Canada Primary Immigrant: Filion, Antoine Family Members: With wife; Child Jeanne; Child Pierre Source Publication Code: 4514.3

Annotation: Orphans in France, Pioneers in Canada: The King's Daughters in the 17th Century. Part 2: Biographical List of the King's Daughters. Most are date and port of arrival; a few are date and place of first mention of residence in the New World.

Source Bibliography: LANDRY, YVES. Orphelines en France, pionnieres au Canada: Les Filles du roi au XVIIe siecle. Montreal: Lemeac Editeur, 1992. 438p. Part 2: Repertoire Biographique Des Filles Du Roi, pp. 265-379.

Thanks Darlene, that refers to Yves Landry's book on Filles du roi, which I have the more recent edition of (2013). It's a short blurb in regards to Gabrielle d'Anneville, Fille du roi who arrived with her sister Anne and Anne's husband Antoine Filion. Landry goes on to say that along with them were Pierre and Jeanne, children of the couple, but Landry himself clearly states in his work that he bases himself on others for much of the bio data etc. There is simply no evidence for this boy being child of Antoine and Anne. Pierre Fillion (abt.1657-aft.1667) is the profile in question.

let's see, Joseph Brunelle is son of Eustache who is son of Antoine (Beaufort) Beaufort dit Brunel (1769-1836), who is my 1st cousin 7 times removed. So yes, we are cousins on that line. We are also cousins on at least one other line, check the Relationship finder. 😊

Danielle

hello Kenneth,

Brunelle is one of the names I follow, I have 2 different lines of them in my own ancestry. Her generation don't have baptisms freely accessible yet, or rather they aren't indexed so it's difficult to find them. But with the given name Aurélie for her mother, I can tell you right now her parental lines:

Joseph Brunelle, son of Joseph Brunelle and of Odile Bourgeat, married Aurélie Morin, daughter of Pierre Morin and the late Théotiste Derome, on 25 January 1876 in Saint-Cyprien-de-Léry (Napierville, where they are all listed as residing). Both spouses are of age (21+then).

My source needs membership, Drouin Institute. https://www.genealogiequebec.com/Membership/LAFRANCE/acte/4960297

Funny to me that date, my own parents were married on 25 January, different year of course. My mother is one of the Brunelle lines.

I'll tell you right now there are a whole lot of profiles in these Brunelle families that are already created, I'm not the only one who has been adding some. So best do searches before creating. Saves having to merge later. 😉 If you need help with them, give me a shout. One of them starts life as Beaufort dit Brunelle.

Danielle

hello John

you'll have to specify which family you are talking about, as right now I haven't a clue. 🤣

Danielle

hi Aline

there is a Joseph Turcot married to Marguerite dite Brien on 12 Jan 1813 in L'Assomption. the record names his parents but not hers. There's an odd construct in the sentence, says fille sans aveu. Among the witnesses is Jean Baptiste André Brien père nourricier de l'épouse. IE foster-father. She may be a foundling.

Danielle

hi Rick,

Sainte-Geneviève de Pierrefonds, Canada, Nouvelle-France is how it should be written, since there is more than one place with Sainte-Geneviève in it, Pierrefonds is actually anachronistic, but it's the best way to distinguish it. The category for it is only Ste-Geneviève, Canada, Nouvelle-France. And yes, it's a separate location to this day. Thanks for fixing these.

Danielle

Bonjour Jocelin,

Juliette était ma grand-tante, ne l'ai pas connue, elle et sa soeur (ma grand-mère) ont marié 2 frères. On trouve plusieurs actes pour elles sous le nom Marion, leur père mort jeune, leur mère s'était remariée avec un dénommé Marion, les 2 filles n'ont pas été formellement adoptées que je sache, mais ont utilisé ce nom. Ce qui porte facilement à confusion.

Je suis curieuse de savoir quel est votre lien familial avec elles. On serait cousins?

Danielle

hello Dorthy,

that you descend from her does not make you her. Merging function is to combine profiles of the same person, not to show that you have a connection to them by descent. If you wish to be on the trusted list for her, then go to her profile, on the right you will see a green mention to ask to be added to the trusted list.

Danielle

thanks Karen, his brick wall sounds like it is actually very recent, so not sure how much help I can give him, privacy laws being what they are.

merci Louis, vais regarder celà, et l'ajouter aux sources variées qu'on collectionne si approprié.

Danielle

hi Liz, see my answers and various things I've done on the profiles around it.

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19:58 (2 minutes ago) to WikiTree

hi Cindy,

Not getting to see the map, don't use WikiTree+ myself, so that may be the problem. Have put in my two bits for what it's worth.

Danielle

hi Cindy,

Frankly Scarlet, I could care less what PRDH uses. 😝 But seriously, they standardize to their own views, Tanguay did the same, which often differs from what PRDH uses. Use the actual name on the baptism, you can always put the variations in OLN or CLN.

Danielle

hi Sharon,

Not sure which profile you are talking about, since I deal with a lot of profiles, but if you look in https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Project:Quebecois Québécois project page, you will see some guidelines on place names in there.

Danielle

hi Gerry

Already familiar with the pionniers de Paris. I believe the reference is already among our sources, but will have to doublecheck. The compagnie des Indes one looks like it might be interesting, although it may deal with the actual French possessions in India (Chandernagore) and other such, will take a look at it later, thanks.

hi Cindy,

I just looked at Louis born in 1770, his baptism clearly has the last name as Miraud, so go with that. The name flip-flops somewhat here, so if you don't have access to IGD, let me know the names and dates and I will look them up for you.

by the way, some of them are in my ancestry.  :-D

Merci Isabelle, à quand votre tour?  :-D

Danielle

J'y suis passée il y a quelque temps déjà, en octobre 2017 je crois? Entretien horriblement long et barbant, mais enfin, il y a le lien sur mon profil si le coeur vous en dit :-D

Isabelle

bon, je ne trouve pas.  :( On fait comment pour le trouver?

Danielle

Voilà le monstre... http://www.wikitree.com/blog/meet-our-members-isabelle-rassinot/

merci, on a même une connection avec tout ça, des frères/soeurs d'ancêtres qui sont mariés quelque part dans tout ça.  :-D

hi Greg,

Got interested in the Jean Dania family, once I start it's hard to stop.  :-D

who says you're not a rock star? You get 5 stars out of me for this one.  :D