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Robert Lisours (1097 - 1193)

Robert Lisours aka Lizours
Born in Lincoln, Lincolnshire, Englandmap
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Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
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Died at about age 96 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire, , Englandmap
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Robert de Lisoures


1097 Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England
BET 1086 AND 1113 England


1131 England
Wife: Aubrey De Lacy
Child: Albreda De Lisours


BET 1136 AND 1200 England


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Cawley does not give him a father "There is some chronological difficulty with the parentage of Robert de Lisours. The name “Lisours” suggests a connection with Fulk de Lisours who is named above. However, given the death of his daughter’s first husband in 1163 (see below), it is difficult to imagine Robert being born later than 1120 at the latest. If that is correct, he could not have been Fulk’s son by his known wife Alix d’Auberville, given that the latter was declared as 50 years old in 1185 (see above). This affiliation would only seem to work if Alix’s age was under-declared by at least 30 years, which seems impossible if she had three unmarried daughters still of marriageable age in 1185. Three possible solutions are suggested:

(1) Robert was Fulk’s son by an earlier marriage, although that would mean that Fulk himself was born much earlier than appears consistent with the chronology of the Engaine family.

(2) Robert was the son of Vitalis [I] Engaine.

(3) Robert was a member of the previous Lisours family, maybe a relative of the supposed wife of Vitalis [I].

1. ROBERT de Lisours ([before 1120?]-after 1167). The Red Book of the Exchequer refers to "Robertus de Lisures i m" in Huntingdonshire in [1167/68][57]. m AUBREYE de Lacy, daughter of ROBERT de Lacy & his wife Matilda ---. According to The Complete Peerage, Aubreye de Lisours, successor of Robert de Lacy was his cousin[58], implying that her mother was Robert’s paternal aunt. This appears to be confirmed by the 1130 Pipe Roll which records "Robt de Lusor" in Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire and that he married "sorore Ilbti de Laci"[59]. An apparently different version of Aubreye’s parentage is provided by a manuscript history of the Lacy family which records that “Albreda vel Aubreia, filia Roberti Lisours, soror ex parte matris” succeeded on the death of “Robertus Lacy”[60]. If this is correct, Aubreye’s father was the [first/second] husband of Robert de Lacy’s mother. As the husband of Aubrey junior died in 1163, the chronology suggests that, if this version is correct, it is more probable that Aubreye was the daughter of her mother’s first marriage. It appears from the 1130 Pipe Roll that the Complete Peerage version is to be preferred. Robert & his wife had one child: AUBREYE de Lisours ([before 1145?]-after Sep 1200)."

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