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John (Lothrop) Lothropp (1584 - 1653)

Reverend John Lothropp formerly Lothrop aka Lothroppe, Lowthrop, Lowthroppe, Lathrop, Loothrop
Born in Etton, East Riding, Yorkshire, Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Husband of — married 10 Oct 1610 (to 16 Feb 1633) in London, Middlesex, Englandmap
Husband of — married before 14 Jun 1635 (to 8 Nov 1653) in Scituate, Plymouth Colonymap
Descendants descendants
Died at age 68 in Barnstable, Plymouth Colonymap
Profile last modified | Created 14 Jan 2010
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Biography

Notables Project
John (Lothrop) Lothropp is Notable.
This profile is part of the Lathrop Name Study.

John Lowthrop, son of Thomas was baptised on 20 Dec 1584 at Etton, Yorkshire, England. [1]

According to "The Genealogical History of Edgar Hanks Evans" (research by Donald Lines Jacobus):

John Lothrop or Lowthroppe (Thomas, Robert, John) was baptized in Etton, 20 Dec. 1584 and came to New England. He entered first Christ Church, College, Oxford for according to Foster's "Alumni Oxonienses" John Lothroppe of Yorkshire aged sixteen years, was admitted a pleb of Christ Church 15 Oct. 1602. Thence he went to Cambridge, where according to Venn's Alumni Cantabrigienses, John Loothrop, Lathrop or Lothrop, who was baptized at Etton, Yorkshire, 20 Dec. 1584, son of Thomas of Etton, was admitted to the degree of Bachelor of Arts from Queen's College in 1606, and to that of Master of Arts in 1609; a brief biographical notice of him is given by Venn. His brother Rev. Thomas Lothrop was admitted sizar at Queen's College, Cambridge 30 June 1601; took his bachelor's degree in 1604/5 and his master's degree in 1608; was rector of Dengie in Essex, 1613-1629 and died in 1629.
Rev. John Lothrop soon located in Egerton, 48 miles southeast from London, in the Lower Half hundred of Calehill, Lathe of Scray, county Kent, as curate of the parish there. To this living he was appointed about 1611 by the Dean and Chapter of St. Paul. It was probably his first and only parish charge as a minister of the English Church. Here Mr. Lothrop labored faithfully as long as his judgement could approve the ritual and government of the Church. But when he could no longer do this, we find him conscientiously renouncing his orders and asserting the right of still fulfilling a ministry to which his heart and his conscience had called him. Accordingly in 1623 his decision was made and he espoused the cause of the Independents. The date of his leaving Egerton was 1623 and next year he was called to the First Independent Church in London, then situated on Union St., Southwark, London now utterly gone.
For being independent in thought he was arrested 22 Apr. 1632 and put in jail, along with a group of 24 others. In the old Clink prison, in Newgate, and in the Gatehouse, there men lingered for months. In the Spring of 1634, all but Mr. Lothrop were released on bail; he, their leader, the chief offender, was deemed too dangerous to be set at liberty.
During the time he was in prison, a fatal illness was preying on his wife and bringing her fast to her end. Her name was Hannah House.

"In New England's Memorials" by Nathaniel Morton, published in 1669, he says -:

"His wife fell sick, of which sickness she died. He procured liberty of the bishop to visit his wife before her death, and commended her to God by prayer, who soon gave up the ghost. At his return to prison, his poor children, being many, repaired to the bishop at Lambeth and made known unto him their miserable condition by reason of their good father's being continued in close durance, who commiserated their condition so far as to grant him liberty, who soon after came over unto New England".

In the Journal, kept by Governor Winthrop, under date of 18 Sept. 1634, appears, "The Griffin and another ship now arriving with about 200 passengers. Mr. Lothrop and Mr. Sims, two godly ministers coming in the same ship." On the next page of the journal it says - "Mr. Lothrop had been a pastor of a private congregation in London, and for the same, kept long in prison, upon refusal of the oath, ex-officio, being in Boston upon a sacrament day, after the sermon, desired leave of the congregation to be present at the administration, but said that he durst not desire to partake in it, because he was not then in order, being dismissed from his former congregation, and he thought it not fit to be suddenly admitted into any other for example sake, and because of the deceitfulness of man's heart".

On reaching Boston with that portion of his London flock who had accompanied him, he found already the preparations begun to welcome him to a new home in Scituate.

Marriage to 2nd wife of John Lothrop

MARRIAGE: [OF [of Rev John Lothrop]
"(2) by 1635, Ann ____. (On 14 Jun 1635, John Lothrop wrote that "my wife and brother Foxwell's wife joined [Scituate church] having their dismission from elsewhere." [NEHGR 9:379] She died at Barnstable on 25 Feb 1687/8. [MD 6:238] (She was not a daughter of William Hammond, {1631 Watertown} [GMB2:853-54].)" [2] [3]

When Rev. John Lothrop settled in Scituate he was granted a farm. While there differences arose between him and the people on the question of baptism and he removed to Barnstable, where he had a house lot granted him.

He died in Barnstable 8 Nov. 1653; he left a will which had not been signed; and on 7 Mar. 1653/4 administration was granted on his estate to Mrs. Laythorpe". The will mentioned his wife; oldest son Thomas to have a house in Barnstable; son John in England and son Benjamin in Barnstable each to have a cow and 5 pounds; daughters Jane and Barbara had had their portions; to the rest of the children "both mine and my wife's" each a cow; to each of them one book; the rest of his library to be sold and the proceeds divided.

Children of Rev. John Lothrop and Hannah House (second generation): [2] -

i. Jane, bp. Egerton, Kent, 29 Sept. 1614, m. Samuel Fuller, son of Edward Fuller, 8 April 1635.[2] (Note that Anderson gives the location of this marriage as Barnstable, but other records support the location as Scituate. See Jane's profile for details.)
ii. Anne, bp. Egerton, Kent, 12 May 1616 ; buried there 30 Apr. 1617. [2]
iii. John, bp. Egerton, Kent, 22 Feb. 1617/8 ; living 10 Aug. 1653 - no further record [2]
iv. Barbara, bp. Egerton, Kent, 31 Oct. 1619 ; m. John Emerson 19 July 1638 at Duxbury [2]
v. Thomas, bp. Eastwell, Kent, 21 Feb 1612/3, m. Sarah (Learned) Ewer, dau. William Learned and widow of Thomas Ewer [2]
vi. Samuel, b. about 1621, m. 28 Nov 1644, Elizabeth Scudder, at Barnstable [2]
vii. Joseph, bp. Eastwell, Kent, 11 April 1624, m. Mary Ansell 11 Dec 1650 at Barnstable [2]
viii. Benjamin, bp. Eastwell, Kent, 24 Sept. 1626, m. by 1660 Martha ________. [2]

In Scituate, by second wife, Ann (Unknown):

ix. Barnabas, bp. 6 June 1636 ; m. (1) Susanna Clark, dau. Thomas Clark, on 3 Nov 1658 at Plymouth, (2) 15 Nov 1698 Abigail (Button) Dudson, daughter of Robert Button and widow of Joseph Dudson, at Bsoton [2]
x. Daughter Lothrop, buried 30 July 1638, inf.

In Barnstable, by second wife, Ann (Unknown):--

xi. Abigail, bp. 2 Nov. 1639 ; m. 7 Oct 1657, James Clark, son of Thomas Clark, at Plymouth [2]
xii. Bathsheba (Bathshua), bp. 27 Feb. 1641, m. (1) about 1669 Benjamin Bale, m. (2) btwn 1683 and 1691 Alexander Marsh. [2]
xiii. John, bp. 18 May 1645, m. (1) Mary Cole 3 Jan 1671/2 at Plymouth, m. (2) Hannah (Morton) Fuller, dau. John Morton and widow of John Fuller, Dec 1695 at Plymouth [2]
xiv. Elizabeth, born about 1643, m. by 1665 John Williams [2]
xv. "son Lathrop". b. 25 Jan. 1649 ; d. same day [2]

Rev. John Lothrop is an accepted ancestor for the Society of Colonial Dames - "Lothrop, Rev. John (1584-1653) Scituate and Barnstable, Mass. Queen's College, Cambridge, A.B. 1606, A.M. 1609. Minister at Scituate 1634-1639; and at Barnstable 1639-1653."

More information can be found on various genealogies posts on the Internet. For example there is an interesting report about the imprisonment of John Lothrop and the fate of his family. On April 29, 1632, Reverend Lothropp's congregation was discovered by the Bishop's pursuant at the house of Mr. Humphrey Barnet and 42 members were apprehended there, but only 18 escaped. After two years in various prisons they were all released on bail except for Reverend Lothropp, for whom no favor could be obtained. He petitioned King Charles I for liberty to depart from the kingdom, but his petition was rejected.

Apparently while John was in prison, his wife, Hannah fell sick, and he was permitted to visit her. Shortly after this she died either in April or May of 1634 and John's children were placed in the care of some friends, who could scarcely support them. As a result, John's children were often forced to live on the streets and beg for food. Some friends sent the children to petition the Bishop of Lambeth for their father's freedom, who upon realizing their pathetic state, ordered that Reverend John be released from prison in May or June of 1634.

Timeline

  • 1601: Entered Queens College, Cambridge Univ., Eng.
  • 1605: Graduated BA Cambridge Univ.
  • 1607: Ordained Deacon, Church of England by Bishop of London.
  • 1607: Became Curate of Bennington church, Hertfordshire, Eng.
  • 1609: Graduated MA Cambridge Univ.
  • 1611-23: Became Curate at St. James Church, Egerton, Co. Kent, Eng.
  • 1623: Changes from Church of England to Independent Church, Southwark, Surrey. Services held in secret since "Independent" Churches were illegal.
  • 1632: Imprisoned in Newgate.
  • 1634: Released on bail for wife's funeral, but jumped bail to leave for America.
  • 1634, September 18: Arrived on ship "Griffin" to Mass. Bay Colony and formed a church in Situate, Ma. [2]
  • 1635, January 29: Chosen as minister for Situate Church. [2]
  • 1639: Church divided and Lothrop went to Barnstable, Mas. to become minister there.

He died and his estate was inventoried on 8 Dec 1653 at Barnstable.[4]

Burial

  • Lothrop Hill Cemetery, Barnstable, Barnstable, Massachusetts [5]

Notes on 2nd wife's Last Name at Birth "not Hammond"

"Savage called her Anne, daughter of William Hammond of Watertown. The entry in Rev. Lothrop's record referring to Elizabeth Hammond (wife of Samuel House) as "sister" has been taken to mean John's second wife Anne was Anne Hammond, Elizabeth's sister. Instead, Elizabeth's husband was the brother of Lothrop's first wife, Hannah."
She was not a daughter of WILLIAM HAMMOND {1631, Watertown} In his record of admissions to Scituate church Rev. John Lathrop entered on 14 April 1636 "Elizabeth Hammon my sister having a dismission from the church at Watertown." Lothrop's first wife, Hannah House, was sister of Samuel House; since Lothrop refers to her by maiden name but also calls her sister, the admission to Scituate church may have taken place after the contract of marriage, but before the marriage itself (note, however, that the first child of the couple was baptized on 23 October 1636). Various sources give John Lothrop of Scituate a second wife who was a Hammond; this is based on a false deduction from the entry discussed above.
The sources for the wrong last name for Ann (Unknown) are Savage, and:
A History and Genealogy of the Descendants of William Hammond of London, by Hammond, Roland Page 9, and
Genealogical Notes of Barnstable Families, by Otis, page 162

Further Reading

See also the Lothrop Genealogy, pp. 23, 34, 41, 50, etc... and Barnstable Families, Part 2, p. 162, etc... with items from the Genealogical Register. Information on John Lothrop/Lowthroppe can also be found in the Register of the Massachusetts Society of Colonial Dames, 1927, page 425.

John Lothropp, Wikipedia, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License

John was born in 1584. He passed away in 1653.

Sources

  1. Yorkshire Baptisms Transcription. East Riding Archives & Local Studies Service Ref. PE 52/1 (www.findmypast.co.uk : accessed 7 April 2019)
  2. 2.00 2.01 2.02 2.03 2.04 2.05 2.06 2.07 2.08 2.09 2.10 2.11 2.12 2.13 2.14 2.15 2.16 2.17 Great Migration 1634-1635, I-L, John Lothrop pages 347 - 349
  3. Genealogical and Personal Memoirs Relating to the Families of the State of Massachusetts, Vol 1, page 89
  4. * 1. Otis, "Scituate & Barnstable Church Records, "NEHGR, 9(1855):281.
  5. Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 28 March 2021), memorial page for Rev John Lothrop (20 Dec 1584–8 Nov 1653), Find A Grave: Memorial #7518784, citing Lothrop Hill Cemetery, Barnstable, Barnstable County, Massachusetts, USA ; Maintained by Mary Harrell-Sesniak (contributor 46488639) .

See also:

  • Great Migration 1634-1635, I-L. (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2008.) Originally published as: The Great Migration, Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Volume IV, I-L, by Robert Charles Anderson. Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2005. John Lothrop
  • This is the work cited by Robert Charles Anderson in Great Migration: Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635, Volume IV, page 350, referenced as 'Lothrop Fam'.
  • Sons of the Utah Pioneers: Biography Files (H-P). Ancestry.com. Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2002.
  • The Lathrop Family. Roman, Michael J. 1968-2000
  • Lathrop. Lathrop Ancestors of Jonathan Lathrop.
  • Cutter, William Richard. Genealogical and Personal Memoirs Relating to the Families of the State of Massachusetts, Volumes 1-4, published online by Google Books, 2006 [Cutter: Massachusetts Families]; original publisher: Lewis Historical Publishing Company, New York, 1910.
  • Otis, Amos. Genealogical Notes of Barnstable Families, published online by Ancestry.com. The Generations Network, Inc., Provo, UT, 2005; original publisher: F.B. & F.P. Goss, Barnstable, Massachusetts, 1890. Vol I, with "Index to Families" - Vol II, (Lothrop on pages 162 - 211 at the back part of the book)
  • Filby, P. William, ed.. Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s. Farmington Hills, MI, USA: Gale Research, 2006.
  • Gary Boyd Roberts. Notable Kin, Volume One. Carl Boyer, 3rd; Santa Clarita, California; 1998. Published in cooperation with the New England Historic genealogical Society, Boston, Massachusetts
  • Gary Boyd Roberts. Ancestors of American Presidents. New England Historic Genealogical Society; Location: Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, USA; Date: 2009.
  • John Lothropp (1584-1653) : a Puritan biography & genealogy, Author: Richard Woodruff Price, Publisher: Salt Lake City, Utah : R.W. Price & Assoc., ©1984. [includes English ancestors and Timeline of his life]
  • Time Line: Exiled: The Story of John Lathrop,by Helen Holt, (Pages 230-256)
  • Americana (American Historical Magazine), Vol. 16, January, 1922 - December, 1922.
  • Record Book, Society of Mayflower Descendants in the State of New York.
  • International Genealogical Index(R). The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Copyright (c) 1980, 2002. Accessed 10 Nov 2010.
  • John Venn and J.A. Venn, ALUMNI CANTABRIGIENSES. (London: Cambridge University Press, 1924), Part 1, 3:104. Microfilm no. 0,924,925, item no. 1. Family History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah.
  • Samuel Putnam Avery, THE WARREN, LITTLE, LOTHROP, PARK, DIX, WHITMAN, FAIRCHILD, PLATT, WHEELER, LANE And AVERY PEDIGREES of SAMUEL PUTNAM AVERY 1847-1920, (NEW YORK: THE NEW YORK GENEALOGICAL And BIOGRAPHICAL SOCIETY, 1925). (Avery cites Star Chamber records among the State Papers in the New Record Office, London.), 54.
  • Nathaniel Morton, New England's Memorial: Or a Brief Relation..., (Cambridge [Mass. Bay Colony]: Nathaniel Morton, 1669; fifth edition, John Davis, editor. Boston: missing publisher, 1826), 258. Microfilm no. 1,421,589, item no. 3. Family History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah.


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First name(s) John

Last name Lothropp Birth year - Year 1610 Licence date 10 Oct 1610 Occupation M a curate Residence Egerton Spouse's first name(s) Hannah Spouse's last name Howse Spouse's marital status Single Spouse's residence Eastwell Place Eastwell County Kent Country England Archive College of Arms Source Canterbury Marriage Licences Vol I 1568-1618 Page 266 Record set Britain, Marriage Licences Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages Collections from England, Great Britain


John married Hannah Howse in 1610 in Eastwell, Kent, England.<ref> Marriage: "Britain, Marriage Licences"

Archive: College of Arms; Page: 266

FindMyPast Image - FindMyPast Transcription (accessed 14 August 2022)

John Lothropp marriage to Hannah Howse in 1610 in Eastwell, Kent, England. </ref>

posted by Ann Browning
The profile at the top of the page says Joseph married Hannah Howse on 10 Oct. 1610, but the biography says 16 Oct. 1610, citing several sources. 16 October 1610 is apparently correct.
posted by Christine Crawford
I may just be missing it, but I don't see the discussion in the bio which gives a date for his first marriage. Where is that and which sources are you referring to which confirm the marriage date?
posted by Scott McClain
I apologize for not citing my source (and also for calling him Joseph instead of John....). In the profiles for both John Lothrop and Hannah Howse, the marriage date is given as 10 Oct. 1610, but in the biography for Hannah Howse, the correct date, 16 October 1610, is given. _Great Migration: Immigrants to New England, 1634-1635_, p. 347, says that John Lothrop and Hannah Howse were married on 16 October 1610. So the marriage date needs to be changed in both profiles.
posted by Christine Crawford
Playing on Pinterest today to see what genealogy things the website has. Found this about Rev. John Lathrop 1584 - 1653 with a picture of him. I didn't read all of you sources so you may already have this - just passing it on. https://joannedi.wordpress.com/2012/12/28/maternal-lathrop-family-notables-who-knew/
Except that is John Lathrop (1739-1816), painted by Gilbert Stuart, c1815.
posted by Joe Cochoit
edited by Joe Cochoit
Anderson says that daughter Jane, b 1614 was married at Barnstable 8 Apr 1635 https://www.americanancestors.org/databases/great-migration-immigrants-to-new-england-1634-1635-volume-iv-i-l/image/?volumeId=12108&pageName=348 and the incorrect Barnstable marriage location is likely to be restored in error. I am adding a note that Jane's profile corrects her marriage location.
posted by Raymond Watts PhD
If you compare daughter Jane's profile to what is listed in this profile about her there are some conflicts? In Jane"s profile it is listed that she was married to Samuel Fuller on 8 April, 1635 in Situate not Barnstable, by Captain Miles Standish. I find it odd that her father didn't perform the ceremony? Further most of the older children were listed as born in Situate.
posted by Ken Morgan
The Huntington Lothrop Memoir cited in Jane's profile gives us a lot of (unsourced) detail about her marriage: that the ceremony was performed by Capt. Miles Standish in Scituate at the house of Mr. James Cudworth. So there is perhaps a diary entry to be found. You could start with looking for the sources listed in the silver book for Edward Fuller: MacGunnigle, Bruce Campbell. Mayflower Families Through Five Generations. Volume Four. Third Edition. Family of Edward Fuller. (Plymouth: General Society of Mayflower Descendants, 2006.)
posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
edited by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
In the Mass. Vital Records database, where they cite Gustave Hinkley's version of the Barnstable records, by $ubscription on AmericanAncestors.org he gives us some detail that probably has been picked up in John Lothrop's profile pertaining to his daughter, which could easily be misconstrued as a Barnstable recording of their marriage (items in italics and [brackets] are his additions, not what was in the original record):
Samll Fuller Senr [son of Edwd of the Mayflower emigrants; m. Jane Lothrop Apr. 8. 1635. she eldest ch. (then living) of Rev. John]
[Born in Scituate
1st Hannah b. ---- m. Nicholas Bonham
2d Samuel bap. Feb. 11. 1637/8
3d Elizabeth
4th Sarah bap. Aug 1st 1641. Died young
5th Mary bap. June 16. 1644.
8th John (Little John)]
his Son Thomas [6th] born 18 of May 1650
his Daughter Sarah [7th] 14 of December 1654
A Child [9th] born 8th of Feb 58 & buried 15 Days after
posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
edited by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
The Notables project box was added. If Rev Lothrop meets the Notables criteria, is a sticker more appropriate, (unless the Notables project wants to co-manage?)
posted by M Cole
On 10 Jan 1609/10 Mr. Lothropp was also appointed curate of Little Chart, Kent,

Source : Clifford L. Stott, "Lothrop and House Entries in the Parish Registers of Eastwell, Kent," The American Genealogist. (Stott cites: Arthur J. Willis, Compiler, Canterbury Licenses (General), 1568-1646 London and Chichester, 1972, 58.) 70(1995):251

posted by Eugene Whitney Jr.
Please Add Or Reword The Following :

He was admitted to the Master of Arts degree form Queen's College in January 1608/09, ordained a priest in the Church of England, and appointed Perpetual Curate of St. James at Egerton, Kent, by the Dean and Chapter of St. Paul's.

Source : 1. Venn and Venn, Alumni Cantabrigienses, Part 1, 3:104 2. Avery, Warren, Little, Lothrop...,57.

posted by Eugene Whitney Jr.
Please Add : Reverend John Lothropp Was Ordained A Deacon On 20 Dec 1707 At Lincoln And Made Curate Of Bennington, Hertfordshire,

A Parish Lying About Twenty-Four Miles Southwest Of Cambridge.

Source : 1. Venn and Venn, Alumni Cantabrigienses, Part 1, 3:104.

2. David E. Gardner, Derek Harland and Frank Smith, A Genealogical Atlas of England and Wales. (1960; Third Reprint, Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Company, 1968), 53.

posted by Eugene Whitney Jr.
edited by Eugene Whitney Jr.
On The Spelling Of The Reverend Lothropp, My Research Has Found He Signed His Parish Reports Spelling His Name With Two p's.
  • His children, however, apparently never doubled their p's.
posted by Eugene Whitney Jr.
It looks to me like we should be using Lowthrop as the spelling of the LNAB and Lothropp as the current last name spelling. Lowthrop being the spelling used on his baptism.
posted by Anne B
This is another case where Lothrop is such a common and historically well known spelling that it makes no sense to change it to any the dozen plus alternatives found in contemporary records. Anderson uses Lothrop which should count for something.

John Lathrop, Lothrop, Lowthrop, Lothroppe, Lowthroppe, Loothrop, Lowthorp, Latropp, Laythorpe, Lathorp, Lathropp, Latroppe, Lathrope, Lothrope, Laythorp (found on a brief review of the records)

posted by Joe Cochoit
Lothropp-31 and Lothrop-3 appear to represent the same person because: Same dates. Death was Nov. not Dec according to Anderson GM
posted by Anne B
Looks like Relationship finder no longer shows Fillmore nor Garfield as descendants. Should they be? Or was it a mistake and they should be removed from the bio text?
posted by Shawn Ligocki
I just got to Anna (Hannah) Hammond on our tree and then found this profile... THANK YOU for setting our tree right because I was having great difficulty getting things justified.

Not sure who to thank but THANK YOU for verifying my thoughts while working on this person.

Now all I have to do is to link a "mate" for Ms. Hammond. A proper mate. Rebecca

posted by Rebecca Snider
Lathrop-1270 and Lothrop-3 appear to represent the same person because: identical data, alternate spelling of name
posted by Robin Lee
Thank you Craig for removing Rebecca Pierce as child of John Lothrop. I removed her from connection to Hannah House also. It appears to have been a random error that connected her profile to Lothrop, as her own profile shows her as Unknown-200096.

Your diligence in keeping WikiTree accurate is appreciated.

Craig, the footnote [1] in this profile refers to Great Migration by Robert Charles Anderson, the primary source for PGM profiles.

There was a bug in the one FindaGrave footnote making it show as [1] also, which is now corrected.

Elizabeth is in Vol IV, p 349 as John Lothrop's 13th child, born of his 2nd wife.

Anderson cites PCR 4:106-8, 125-26 (Records of the Colony of New Plymouth in New England by Shurtleff and Pulsifer), and Stratton 321 (Plymouth Colony: Its History & People, 1620-1691 by Eugene Stratton). Anderson's list of sources used in his GM series runs to 120 pages, found at the beginning of the first volume. The GM series is at NEHGS or Ancestry.com and libraries.

I have found no evidence that Rev. John Lothrop had a daughter named Elizabeth who married John Williams referred in the listing above. Just because her name is listed on Findagrave.com does not qualify as proof. Does anybody have some better evidence of this relationship?
posted by Craig Ferguson
Since Ann, the 2nd wife of Rev John Lothrop, is already Ann Unknown in the Vital stats section and relationships, I plan to make it match what is in the body of the text, changing where it says "by second wife, Anne Hammond" to "by second wife, Ann Unknown". etc.

The only feedback I've had from the PMs has been in the positive for this so hopefully it will go well.

PS: I found an "extra" son of the 2nd wife in the text and removed it, the children now number 15 and match what is presented in Great Migration by Anderson.

I added a section - "Disputed 2nd Wife of John Lothrop", because we need to examine the sources for Ann Hammond and for Ann Unknown, and discuss them.

Anderson in Great Migrations shows the 2nd wife as Ann Unknown. So does Cutter. Other sources show her as Ann Hammond, and the reasons for that misunderstanding are given in the text now.

Could we please have a response from the profile managers? thank you,

Plantagenet-167 may be the closest Sovereign in Lothrop-3. Can anyone support this claim or highlight where this line is incorrect? Thanks
posted by PM Eyestone