Pieter
"Peter"
Thyszen
aka Tiisen, Tijssen, Tyse, Tysen, Tiesse, Tiis, Thyssen, Thyse, Thijszen
Born before in New Amsterdam, New Netherland
Ancestors 
Son of Thijs Lubbertszen
and Tryntje Jans
Brother of
Pieter Thyszen
Husband of
Barber (Jans) Janse
— married
1693 in New York
Descendants 
Father of
Sara (Thyzsen) Tyse
Died [date unknown]
[location unknown]
Profile last modified
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Biography
Pieter was baptized on 26 December 1657 in the Reformed Dutch Church of New Amsterdam, New Netherland, recorded as the child of Thijs Lubbertszen and Trijntje Jans. The witnesses to his baptism were Thomas Hall, Arie Corneliszen, and Belitje Hendricks. [1]
He was an adult residing in New Utrecht on Long Island as of 4 April 1693, when Thys Lubbertszen Van Ryp and Tryntje Thyssen, his wife, identified as of Cripplebush, Brooklyn, conveyed to Peter Thysen of New Utrecht "a piece of land lying in New Utrecht, now in occupation of said Peter Thysen, betwixt lands of Anthony Van Pelt and Garret Van Duyn, and that soe broad and long as all the lotts are laid out, great about 18 morgen." Ack. 31 July 1693.[2] Kings County deeds show a mortgage on 36 acres of land at New Utrecht made on 31 July 1693 between Peter Thyssen and Barbara, his wife, and John Pieterse Maklick and Hendrica Strockells, his wife.[3]
Church Records
- Baptismal witness
- 1715. Dec. 11. Peter. Edward Barber, Marike Tiis. Witnesses: Peter Tiisen and wife.[4]
- 1734. Nov. 4. Pieter. Lucas Schermerhoorn, Sara Thyse. Witnesses: Pieter Thyse and his wife.[5]
- 1738. Nov. 5. Barbara. Lucas Schermerhoorn, Sara Tiesse. Witnesses: Pieter Tiesse, Barbara Janse. [6]
Research Notes
Disputed Identity
There is some reason to question the identification of Pieter, son of Thijs Lubbertszen and Tryntje Jans and baptized in December 1657, as the same Pieter/Peter Tiisen who married Barber Jans, had children in (apparently) the 1690s and after 1700 and witnessed a baptism as late as 1738. It would be unusual for a man to marry near age 40 and still be witnessing baptisms at age 80, but these are by no means impossible. In "The Lane Families of Somerset County and Vicinity," A. Van Dorn Honeyman presented an alternative identification for "Pieter Tysen of New Utrecht," indicating him to be Pieter Thyssen, the son of Matthys Laenen and Adriaentje Hendricks, born in about 1674 and married to Barbara Houlton. Honeyman named their children as Teunis, Matthias, Maria, Catryna, and Rebecca.[7] Honeyman did not provide evidence for this identification, and it is contradicted by the 1693 deeds that show Pieter Thysen of New Utrecht to be over age 21 and married, and that associate him with Thys Lubbertszen. Some genealogies follow Honeyman by giving Pieter Tysen a birthdate of 1674 and calling his wife Barbara Houlton.
Sources
- ↑ Evans, Thomas Grier, Baptisms from 1639 to 1730 in the Reformed Dutch Church, New York, Vol. 2, pt. 1. New York Genealogical and Biographical Society, New York, NY, 1901. Pg. 47
- ↑ Chester, citing David McQueen, "Kings County, New York, Deeds", New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, vol. 48, pp. 110-118, 291-298, 355-361 (1917): 48:357. Note: "Cripplebush" is identified in related deeds as Cruepelebos and Creepellbos.
- ↑ McQueen, David. "Kings County, New York, Deeds", New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, vol. 48, (1917), page 256.
- ↑ Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey, Vol. 22 (1947), page 59.
- ↑ "Records of the Dutch Congregations of Freehold and Middletown", Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey, Vol. 23, page 93. Pieter; parents: Lucas Schermerhoorn, Sara Thyse; witnesses: Pieter Thyse and his wife.
- ↑ "Records of the Dutch Congregations of Freehold and Middletown", Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey, Vol. 24, page 92. Barbara; parents: Lucas Schermerhoorn, Sara Tiesse; witnesses: Pieter Tiesse, Barbara Janse.
- ↑ Honeyman, A. Van Dorn, "The Lane Families of Somerset County and Vicinity", Somerset County Historical Quarterly, Vol. 2 (1913), page 119.
- Chester, Chris. The Brouwer Genealogy Database, Pieter Thyszen
- Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 08 April 2020), memorial page for Pieter Thyszen (26 Dec 1657–unknown), Find A Grave: Memorial #185618663, citing Old Brick Reformed Church Cemetery, Marlboro, Monmouth County, New Jersey, USA ; Maintained by cchldrss (contributor 49126320) . Note: No gravestone, no photo. Profile content is copied from The Brouwer Genealogy Database (Chris Chester).
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DNA Connections
It may be possible to confirm family relationships with Pieter by comparing test results with other carriers of his Y-chromosome or his mother's mitochondrial DNA. However, there are no known yDNA or mtDNA test-takers in his direct paternal or maternal line. It is likely that these autosomal DNA test-takers will share some percentage of DNA with Pieter:
It may be possible to confirm family relationships with Pieter by comparing test results with other carriers of his Y-chromosome or his mother's mitochondrial DNA. However, there are no known yDNA or mtDNA test-takers in his direct paternal or maternal line. It is likely that these autosomal DNA test-takers will share some percentage of DNA with Pieter:
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~0.39%
Louise Harvey
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AncestryDNA, GEDmatch A746582 [compare], Ancestry member zackdaugherty
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~0.39%
Les Harvey :
AncestryDNA, GEDmatch A222503 [compare], Ancestry member zackdaugherty
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~0.39%
Don Harvey :
AncestryDNA, GEDmatch A043785 [compare], Ancestry member zackdaugherty
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Categories: New Netherland Settlers | New Netherland Project-Managed
I have not understood the importance Wikitree places on the LNAB since with all the families that use patronymics, we have to know how that family/culture would have spelled someone who is just named at birth “Pieter.” Perhaps Wikitree could have, if LNAB not easy to figure out, something like PBKB, patronymic became known by…much more fun to try to say! To me, the way a person of that period signed his name as an adult and in his will is a better choice to use.
So I would vote to remove Lanen-3 from parents Matthias and Adriaentje and merge him with Thyzsen-2 but also fix the latter’s name to Thysen if that is indeed the way he appeared on the 1693 deed for property associated with his parents Thys Lubbertszen and Tryntje Jans. And yes, he is also the same person as Lubbertszen-6.
PS the Lanen children who were said to have been born in Belgium perhaps should also have this corrected as Belgium did not exist in the 1600s.
edited by Sharon Olson
I think that WikiTree's emphasis on LNABs is related to the data structure, in which the LNAB is a critical part of the structure. When an LNAB is changed "too many times" (I'm not sure how many is "too many"), links that formerly pointed to the profile will no longer work (too many redirects), and it can become fiercely complex to track the history of past changes to the profile. These technical issues make it important to have stability in the LNAB data field. It is to promote stability that we have (1) project protection for LNABs of people whose names are rendered in diverse ways (so new contributors can't casually change LNABs to conform with their sources for the family) and (2) naming conventions that tell us how to assign the LNAB (so we won't be continually reopening discussion based on different members' opinions about the best name). And when we dither about a person's LNAB before completing merges it's usually because we want to avoid the mistake of changing LNABs multiple profiles (due to LNAB changes or merges), then discover that we made a mistake and have to change the LNAB again to conform to our own rules.
At one time, the New Netherland project imputed patronymic LNABs for people who were almost certainly known by first name plus patronymic, but this sometimes resulted in situations where the person's LNAB in the database was a name that did not appear for them on any known record. This man apparently was known by his patronymic name throughout his life, so (unless he is conflated with Pieter Laenen) the only real issue with the LNAB is how to spell it. In any event, I think the most important aspect of his LNAB is that all of the known spellings need to be in the data fields so that they will all show up in Name Searches.
It does make some sense to treat a person's signed name as their true last name, but the name signed on a will (or even an earlier contract) may not be an LNAB. New Netherland people who made their wills after the British were in control of civil affairs typically used a family surname that their family didn't have at their birth, and their names may have been anglicized with the help of English-speaking lawyers and officials.
This is a confusing and somewhat delicate situation because there is disputed genealogy involved. There is no dispute that Thijs Lubbertszen and Trijntje Jans had son Peter in 1657. However, as discussed on profile Thyzsen-2, there have been differences of opinion as to whether that Peter is the same Pieter/Peter Tiisen who married Barber Jans, had children in (apparently) the 1690s and after 1700 and witnessed a baptism as late as 1738. An opposing theory says that Peter was a son of Matthys Laenen and Adriaentje Hendricks, born in about 1674. (Read the comments on that page for more information.)
It's been a long time since I read the various arguments on this matter. I'd like for people who are interested in this family (or, more accurately, families) to be reading the arguments, looking for any additional analysis that isn't currently reflected in the content here, and discussing how the relationships should be assigned.
ADDED: Pat Wardell commented that A. Van Doren Honeyman, was incorrect in placing Pieter, Lysbeth and Annetje Thys as children of Thys Jansen Lanen/Van Pelt. She said that Pieter Tysen was the son of Thijs Lubbertszen and Trijntje Jans. But she also said that Pieter was born in about 1674.
edited by Ellen Smith