Susannah (Lytle) Wishard (abt. 1753 - 1795)

Born about 1753 in County Tyrone, Ireland

Descendants

Died 16 Jan 1795 at about age 42 in Nicholas, Kentucky, United States

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Biography

This biography is a rough draft. It was auto-generated by a GEDCOM import and needs to be edited.

Birth

ABT 1753 County Tyrone, Ireland^[1]

Death

16 JAN 1795 Nicholas County, Kentucky^[2][3]

Note

Note:

There is a christening record in the LDS IGI file: Susanna Lytle, 28 Mar 1758, Parish Church of Morval, Cornwall, England; Parents, Dinsel & Jane Lytle. This would not seem to agree with either her birth year as approximately 1753 or the tradition that she was born in Ireland.

The Parish Register of Morval Parish, Corwall, England as transcribed by W. Martin Furge, Falmouth, 1936, and filmed by LDS #0916942, contains the following items:

Baptisms of the children of Thomas & Wilmot Little:

15 Aug 1712 John

7 Sep 1714 Elizabeth

19 Mar 1716 Thomas

21 Jul 1719 Frances

21 Mar 1721 Robert

Then apparently Wilmot died and Thomas married again because there is one more Baptism: 20 Jan 1729 Denesell, son of Thomas & Ann Little

The Burial records included a burial for Ann Little on 11 Sep 1744; Robert Little on 25 Apr 1748; and Mr. Thomas Little on 22 Aug 1750.

There were no marriages for any grooms named Little in the Parish Register.

The following baptisms are recorded

28 May 1753 Ann Little d. Denzil & Ann [may be an error since the others are all Jane]

30 Dec 1754 Jane Little d. Denzil & Jane

31 May 1756 Mary Little d. Denzil & Jane

28 Mar 1758 Susanna Lytle d. Dinsel & Jane

26 Nov 1759 Robert Little s. Denzil & Jane

20 Jul 1761 Elizabeth Little d. Denzil & Jane

30 Apr 1765 Thomas Little s. Denzil & Jane

then 3 Dec 1765: Burial of Thomas Little, inft

12 Jun 1768 Thomas Little s. Denzill & Jane

If this is indeed Susanna, wife of William Wishard she was likely only 14 or 15 years old when her first child William was born. This would also make her some 29 years younger than her husband. That certainly could support the tradition that her parents were opposed to the marriage.

From: "James W. Hicks" <jwhicks@charter.net>

To: "Kay Haden" <khaden@comcast.net>

Subject: Re: just an fyi

Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005

Hi Kay: I probably saw your web page, if you did not post on genforum. The year of birth is not a real issue. My researcher says she would have to have altered her age in order board ship, otherwise they would not let her go without her parent's consent. She would probably retain the altered age, possibly for life, as she may have feared the lie would invalidate her immigration. Even as young as 12, the magistrate at County Tyrone would have married her without parental consent. Morval is very near County Tyrone, Ireland. Elopements of couples in Morval frequently took place in a small community on the border of County Tyrone, Ireland. Dinsel Lytle was not a Lord, but he was extremely wealthy and owned a lot of land. My researcher thinks he may have owned land in County Tyrone because his second marriage is not recorded in Morval nor are the marriages of his two sons, but they did marry and are in the will. Land records indicate he was one of the more powerful members of Morval. Most of the villagers worked for him. Many of his employees came from County Tyrone, Ireland and residents of Morval in Cornwall and County Tyrone in Ireland moved back and forth with regularity. My on site researcher thinks the Lord and Lady titles may have belonged to Jane's parents, not to Susannah's. The story of close confinement and an escape, he tells me, rings true for the period. Girls who wed without parental approval or who refused to stop seeing a disaproved fellow were frequently locked up by rich families where many died for lack of proper diet, exercise, heat and light. They usually became ill at some point and their deaths were given by Doctors as "suicides". The reasoning was that they had chosen death over obedience. Had they obeyed, they would have been released and not died. If her case was as the oral history describes it, she would have been at risk of death and her mother may have planned and arranged the escape, using her own family as confederates. He speculates, based on his knowledge of the culture of the period, her parents may have held an estate in Ireland and had titles and may have hidden Wishard for a time by using him as a coachman until all could be arranged. We both agree that no one would use a weaver as a coachman. Coachman is specific trade and a weaver would be considered too rough and un-mannered to perform the highly ritualized task of a coachman. However, that the trade weaver and Dinsel's business of cloth production fit very well together cannot be overlooked or inadequately expressed. It makes more sense Wishard was working in his actual trade as a weaver for Dinsel, met and pursued the daughter, and Dinsel acted to protect her as was common in the times. He was certainly wealthy enough to have behaved in this fashion. Either the titles and coachman were transliterations of the truth, or they happened on a slightly different canvas. I agree with my researcher that the family in Morval is Susannah's and that there are simple explanations for the few details that do not appear to "fit". At the moment, we are working on locating the family of Dinsel's wife, Jane, and the marriage record for Wishard and Susannah, hoping somewhere in those records there will be mention of Susannah's father. We have a lot of circumstantial evidence, but no solid linking document between Susannah in America and Susannah in Ireland or Morval. It is possible we will not find it. It is possible no such document has survived, though not likely. I notice that in the 1970s no one seems to be mentioning "Dinsel" as her father and references to him begin to appear in the 1980s. A researcher emailed me that she was the one who located the LDS records and published them in the 1980s. It appears that the name Dinsel is coming not from family records or oral history, but from the LDS record publication, in which case, it is not an independent memory of her father's name. This is why we need to find a record, earlier than the 1970s, that gives her father's name. She is supposed to have reconciled with him, so there might be one somewhere. .. I won't remember to let people know individually if we in fact locate what we are looking for, but what I locate I will post on genforum in the Lytle forum, that way it will be accessible long after I retire from genealogy. The parish records you list from the LDS have all been searched and I have photographs of all the original pages. I have never compared them to the LDS transcripts to see if they agree, but they are quite legible and easy to read in their original hand and I assume they agree. One of these days I will have time to compare them entry by entry! Thanks for writing back!

Best, Kate

Currently, it has been decided to disassociate the Wishart line from Little-5118 and re-associate it with Lytle-42, which is currently an unmerged match already linked to the Wisharts. A note has been put on both profiles to say what we have done and why. Both profiles as left as an unmerged match, should any further evidence come to light.

Marriage

Husband: William Wishard

Wife: Susannah Lytle

1771 County Tyrone, Ireland^[4]

1. Child: William Wishard
2. Child: Samuel Wishard
3. Child: Annis Wishard
4. Child: Jane Stuart Wishard
5. Child: Abraham "Abram" Wishard
6. Child: Henry Wishard
7. Child: Nancy Agnes Wishard
8. Child: Elizabeth Wishard
9. Child: Joseph Wishard
10. Child: Susannah\Susan Wishard
11. Child: Ellis Wishard
12. Child: John Wishard
13. Child: James Lytle Wishard

Sources

• WikiTree profile Lytle-42 created through the import of Audrey for WikiTree.ged on Jun 15, 2011 by Kay Haden.

• Source: S17 Abbreviation: Family of R. T. Wishard Title: Laura Lavinia Wishard Milton, "Family of R. T. Wishard". Manuscript compiled in 1970's. Subsequent Source Citation Format: Milton, "Family of R. T. Wishard" BIBL Laura Lavinia Wishard Milton. "Family of R. T. Wishard". Manuscript compiled in 1970's. TID 0 Name: Footnote Laura Lavinia Wishard Milton, "Family of R. T. Wishard". Manuscript compiled in 1970's. Name: ShortFootnote Milton, "Family of R. T. Wishard" Name: Bibliography Laura Lavinia Wishard Milton. "Family of R. T. Wishard". Manuscript compiled in 1970's. Repository: #R3
• Repository: R3 Name: My Files Address:
• Source: S46 Abbreviation: Gedcom - Wishard Family (Beals) Title: Marjorie A. Beals, GEDCOM, Wishard Family <Marjbeals@MSN.com> Rec'd August 1997 from Steve Stinnett. Subsequent Source Citation Format: Beals, Wishard GEDCOM. BIBL Marjorie A. Beals, GEDCOM, Wishard Family <Marjbeals@MSN.com> Rec'd August 1997 from Steve Stinnett. Text: 10588 Andrea Court Indianapolis, IN 46231 317/838-0742 TID 0 Name: Footnote Marjorie A. Beals, GEDCOM, Wishard Family <Marjbeals@MSN.com> Rec'd August 1997 from Steve Stinnett. Name: ShortFootnote Beals, Wishard GEDCOM. Name: Bibliography Marjorie A. Beals, GEDCOM, Wishard Family <Marjbeals@MSN.com> Rec'd August 1997 from Steve Stinnett. Repository: #R3
• Source: S52 Abbreviation: Gedcom - Wishard Family (Armstrong) Title: Lucille Wishard Armstrong, GEDCOM; Wishard Family (Rec'd October 1997) Subsequent Source Citation Format: Armstrong, Wishard GEDCOM BIBL Lucille Wishard Armstrong, GEDCOM; Wishard Family. Rec'd October 1997. TID 0 Name: Footnote Lucille Wishard Armstrong, GEDCOM; Wishard Family (Rec'd October 1997) Name: ShortFootnote Armstrong, Wishard GEDCOM Name: Bibliography Lucille Wishard Armstrong, GEDCOM; Wishard Family. Rec'd October 1997. Repository: #R3

1. ↑ Source: #S52 Text: Wishard Family File, KY Archives, KY Genealogical Society
2. ↑ Source: #S17
3. ↑ Source: #S46
4. ↑ Source: #S52