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Maude (Mann) Brewster (1510 - aft. 1558)

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Maude Brewster formerly Mann
Born in Doncaster, South Yorkshire, Englandmap
Daughter of and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married in Bently Arksey, Englandmap
Descendants descendants
Died after in Doncaster, South Yorkshire, Englandmap
Profile last modified | Created 12 Sep 2010
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Disputed Parents of Maude Mann

There is only one primary source that identifies Maude's maiden name as Mann and that is the will of Christopher Mann dated 1558 published by John G Hunt in NEHGR Volume 124 p 253 in 1970.[1] This was a follow-up article to his previously published treatment of this family published in 1965 in TAG Volume 41 p 1-5[2] In 2014 the General Society of Mayflower Descendants published the latest research on Elder William Brewster and they called these two articles the current state of research on this topic.[3] In his will dated 11 Oct 1558, proved Jan 13 1558, Christopher Mann names his wife Alice and his children Avery, John, John and Christian Ioys. (Note he lists two sons named John). He names his siblings William, Annis, Isabel and Maude Brewster. He named William Watson but does not state his relationship to him. Of the women named he does not name spouses and only two of them have married names: his daughter Christian Iolys and his sister Maude Brewster above. The three Witnesses are familiar to us: William Bruister (sic) John Simkinson and Thomas Simkinson (John Simkinson being the first husband of Mary Smythe, the mother of the Mayflower passenger).[2] Nowhere in this document do the names of a father John Mann or grandfather Baseling Mann appear. There is no primary source naming a John Mann or Baseling Mann in Scrooby. They appear to be pure fantasy. John G Hunt has been so determined for so many decades to try to stretch this family back as far in time as possible that if there was even a hint that there was a John Mann anywhere in the area he would have published it by now. He’s not a person who backs away from controversy and he doesn’t mind offering speculation.

Moreover, there is no evidence aside from geography that these families are related in anyway to the Cornwall family. That is wild conjecture without any evidence whatsoever. Therefore I am removing Unknown Cornwall as mother of Maude.

Nor is there evidence that her sister Isabel married William Watson. William Watson was named in the will of her brother Christopher but that doesn't imply he married his sister Isabel specifically.

This is the family of a very important historical character and it should be as accurate as possible. A whole list of children and parents are getting copied to GENI, Wikitree, Familysearch, Ancestry and Werelate, etc. and there is no evidence to support their existence. We should raise the bar. If we include a name or a profile in the family tree of the only college educated Mayflower Passenger then we had better pony up a solid source to back up that name or profile.

Biography

Maude Mann was the sister of Chistopher Mann, William Mann, Annis Mann and Isabel Mann.[1] As stated above this was a followup article to his previous article published in 1965 in TAG Volume 41 p 1-5 and there is no evidence that her father was named John Mann. She married at an unknown place by about 1534 to William Brewster of Doncaster. Doncaster is seven miles North of Scrooby. That date is based on the approximate birth date of her child. Her husband William Brewster first appears in 1524 when he was taxed in Bentley cum Arksey, South Yorkshire, England. William Brewster is next taxed Doncaster, South Yorkshire, England.[1] It is in Doncaster where we find him as witness to a will although that might have been his son of the same name. We find no evidence of him in Scrooby. Nothing is known about the birth or death dates of Maude Mann and William Brewster of Doncaster. Nor do we know who their parents were. We do know Maude was living when she was named in her brother's will dated 11 OCT 1558. A William Brewster was witness to the same instrument on 13 Jan 1558 but it isn't clear if this was William Brewster of Doncaster or his son William Brewster of Scrooby. John G Hunt believes it was the son.

The children of William Brewster of Doncaster and his wife Maude Mann were published by John G Hunt in NEHGR Volume 124 p 253 in 1970.[1] Only two children are listed:

  1. William Brewster of Scrooby b ?1535 d 1590; witnessed the will of his uncle Christopher Man on 13 Jan 1558 with Thomas and John Simkinson of Doncaster. He was named in the will of Bartholomew Bryan of Scrooby dated 6 May 1564 as William Brewster "dwelling in Scrooby."[1][4] He married first Mary Smythe daughter William Smythe of Stainforth parish in Hatfield. She was sister of John Smythe of Hull and widow of John Simkinson of Doncaster. She was the mother of Elder William Brewster of the Mayflower. He married second to Prudence and had James, Prudence and John.[1][2]
  2. Henry Brewster b ?1537 d ?1600, vicar at Sutton on Lound, Nottinghamshire, England from 1565-1594. His wife Agnes was buried 15 Mar 1597/8 at Sutton on Loud. He had no known children.[1][5]

John G Hunt lists no sons named James Brewster or Benjamin Brewster. In 2014 the General Society of Mayflower Descendants published the latest research on Elder William Brewster and they called these two articles the current state of research on this topic.[3] They did presumably have a grandson named James Brewster.[5][1] Although it has not been decisively proven that this grandson James is identical to the man of the same name who was vicar.[3] However, the evidence is fairly strong that he was.

The will of Maude's brother Christopher is not only helpful in determining her maiden name it also helps us elucidate the identity of the mother of William Brewster the Mayflower passenger, Mary Smythe. Christopher's will was witnessed by John Symkinson who was the first husband of Mary Smythe, the mother of Thomas Sinkinson of Hull by her first husband and the mother of William Brewster the Mayflower passenger by her second husband William Brewster of Scrooby.[2] In 1609 William Brewster of the Mayflower while living in Leiden gave power of attorney to his half-brother Thomas Simkinson of Hull to receive money that Anne Pecke had left in England. Ann Peck and her brother Robert Pecke were ward's of William Brewster. They have been identified as the children of William Brewster's half-sister Prudence Brewster and her husband Robert Pecke of Everton.[2] These two records link William Brewster of Leiden to his grandfather William Brewster of Doncaster just seven miles North of Scrooby. The will of Thomas Symkinson Alderman of Doncaster dated 29 Jan 1558 proved 2 May 1560 names John Simkinson and his two children Dorothy and Thomas Simkinson as well as Thomas Smythe, John Smythe of Hull, William Smythe and Alice widow of Chirstopher Mann among others.[1][6] The will of John Smythe of Hull dated 8 Aug 1592 proved the following October made it evident that Elder William Brewster and the younger Thomas Smythe of Hull were maternal half-brothers when he named "my nephews" William Brewster, John Smythe and Thomas Simkinson executors of his estate.[1]

The Will of Christopher Mann

Taken from Footnote 5 of NEHGR Volume 124 p 253 in 1970:[1]

"Will of Christopher Mann, dated 11 Oct. 1558, Proved Jan 13. following (York P&E court, vol 15, pt 3, fo. 186) : "my bodie to be buried within the church or courtyard of St. James in Scrowbie... to my daughter Christian ioys [?wys] 3/6/8... to Wm. Watson xl s... to Isabel my sister 6/8... to my sister Maude Bruister 6/8... to my brother Wm. Man 6/8... Alice my wife... Avery and John and John my children [!]." Witnesses: Mr. Thomas Simkinson, Willam Bruister [!] and John Simkinson."

Sources

  1. 1.00 1.01 1.02 1.03 1.04 1.05 1.06 1.07 1.08 1.09 1.10 John G Hunt "The Mother of Elder William Brewster of the Mayflower" in The New England Historical and Genealogical Register. Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1847-. (Online database: AmericanAncestors.org, New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1970) Volume 124 p 250-254 link to article at AmericanAncestors
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 John G Hunt, "New Light on the Brewsters of Scrooby and New England" in The American Genealogist (Demorest, Habersham, Georgia, United States: D.L. Jacobus, 1965) Vol 41 p 1-5 link
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 Merrick, Barbara Lambert, and E. Virginia Hunt. William Brewster of the Mayflower: and his descendants for four generations. (Plymouth, MA: General Society of Mayflower Descendants, 2014), p 1-2, 2014. The GSMD "Silver Book"
  4. York P&E, 17:389
  5. 5.0 5.1 Nottingham Parish registers, vol 21, Marriages at "Sutton on Lound," p 11, 12. See also, will of Richard Ellis, made there in March 1586 (York P&E 23:227) which was witnessed by Henry Brewster, clerk, and James Brewster, clerk, presumably his nephew and his successor as vicar.
  6. York P&E court, vol. 16 f. 46


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On 17 Sep 2018 at 22:36 GMT Cheryl (Messenger) Cantrell wrote:

I made a correction In the first paragraph of 'Disputed Parents of Maude Mann' where a reference is made to the "the will of Christopher Mann dated 1584", as later in that same section and others, the year of the will is always noted as 1558.

On 5 Mar 2017 at 19:42 GMT Sharon Smith wrote:

On 19 Jun 2016 at 14:58 GMT R (Baker) B wrote:

Walter what is the source for this information? I've read everything I can find that has been published about this family and I can find nothing that states that she had sons named James Brewster and Benjamin Brewster. Nor do I find evidence that her sister Isabel married William Watson. William Watson was named in the will of her brother Christopher but that doesn't imply he married his sister Isabel specifically. I adding a biography to this profile outlining what can be proven.

On 13 Mar 2016 at 22:33 GMT Walter Pack Sr. wrote:

Daughter of John Mann and wife of John Mann

Wife of William Brewster, of Hatfield Mother of William Brewster, of Scrooby; Henry Brewster, Vicar at Sutton-cum-Lound; James Brewster and Benjamin Brewster Sister of Christopher Mann; William Mann; John Mann; Isabel Watson and Annis Mann

On 12 Mar 2016 at 05:11 GMT Jathan Pfeifle wrote:

Andrew, the William Brewster whom you refer to and of which William Bradford speaks as having married an unknown Mary, is actually William Brewster, grandson of the William Brewster who married Maud Mann. It can get quite confusing with all the repetition of names.

On 23 Dec 2015 at 15:40 GMT Andrew White wrote:

According to William Bradford, Governor of Plymouth Colony, William's wife's name was Mary, last name unknown. She was the mother of all his children.

Perhaps Maud(e)'s profile needs to be unlinked from William.

On 23 Dec 2015 at 01:49 GMT Chris Alm wrote:

There is a conflict of both date and place of Maude's marriage: "Married 1532 Scrooby, Nottinghamshire, England"

"married 1558 in Bently Arksey, England" Also there are two spellings of Maude or Maud, which is correct?

On 18 Mar 2014 at 01:46 GMT Michael Lewis wrote:

Mann-3026 and Mann-95 appear to represent the same person because: Birth, death and names are the same.




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