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John Mansbridge (bef. 1713)

John Mansbridge
Born before in Bishop's Waltham, Hampshire, Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Son of and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married [date unknown] in Wymering,Hampshire,Englandmap [uncertain]
Descendants descendants
Died [date unknown] [location unknown]
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Biography

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John Mansbridge was born in England.

John Mansbridge was christened 19 APR 1713 at Bishop's Waltham, Hampshire, England. The christening record lists his father as Richard Mansbridge.[1] He married Mary (marriage not yet found, but see research notes). They had two children who were christened at Bishop's Waltham - William (christened 5 September 1742)[2] and James (christened 29 June 1746)[3].

Research Notes

Could the family have moved to Bishop's Waltham from another area? And why is there no marriage record for John & Mary?

Since there is a very plausible christening record for John at Bishop's Waltham, while it's not impossible he spent some time elsewhere, it seems very likely that he was born there as well as marrying there. This makes it more likely, though not certain, that he also spent the time between birth and marriage in the same area.

Since the originator of this profile listed the marriage as having taken place at Wymering, it looks like maybe they were of the opinion that John married Mary Kimber at Wymering on 27 December 1745.[4] Wymering is 15 miles from Bishop's Waltham by modern roads. But the idea doesn't make sense if their son William was christened in 1742 with his father's surname and no mention of illegitimacy.

There was a couple John & Mary Mansbridge having children christened at Portchester, Hampshire around the same period (the earliest in 1746[5] and the last in 1763[6]). This can't have been the same John & Mary, since both couples had a child christened in June 1746, one at Portchester, the other at Bishop's Waltham (and with different names).

The only John Mansbridge marriage to a Mary in Hampshire during 1720-1760 listed on FamilySearch was in 1745 in Wymering, which as discussed already doesn't make sense for the subject of this profile. However the marriage very plausibly could belong to the couple who had the children in Portchester. Wymering is only 4 miles from Portchester. The timing is right as well as the geography, with their first child being born in 1746.

There was a John Mansbridge marriage to Mary Ede 9 April 1724 in Cowfold, Sussex or a John Mansbridge marriage to an unspecified bride 1 January 1723 in Fleet, London. The Sussex couple had children christened at Cowfold between 1726 and 1739 (the last one 9 September 1739), and the surname was listed in a number of these as Maimsbridge rather than Mansbridge but that might be a transcription issue. Given that these stop only a few years before the christenings at Bishop's Waltham begin, it's tempting to propose that the couple might have moved from Cowfold to Bishop's Waltham; but if John was christened the year he was born, as was normal, then he was only 11 in 1724, too young to have married in Cowfold, so for them to be the same couple he would have to have been christened late, aged 5 or more, for some reason. So it's quite unlikely. There were also burials at Cowfold that may have been the couple who married there.

I think the likeliest explanation for the absence of a marriage record for John & Mary in the Bishop's Waltham area is that Mary was from some other nearby parish whose records either haven't survived for that period or aren't on FamilySearch, and that they married in her parish and then went to live in his parish.

The only possible burial records for John on FamilySearch in Hampshire between 1746 and 1800 are 1785 in Southampton, which seems unlikely, or 1795 in Warnford, which seems equally unlikely.

Sources

  • Parish register transcriptions on Familysearch (www.familysearch.org)
  1. "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWMF-5J8 : 6 December 2014, John Mansbridge, 19 Apr 1713); citing BISHOPS WALTHAM,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 1,042,025.
  2. "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N1TH-R35 : 6 December 2014, William Mansbridge, 05 Sep 1742); citing BISHOPS WALTHAM,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 1,042,025.
  3. "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSPK-NQZ : 6 December 2014, James Mansbridge, 29 Jun 1746); citing BISHOPS WALTHAM,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 1,042,025.
  4. "England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2GV-MQW : 10 December 2014), John Mansbridge and Mary Kimber, 27 Dec 1745; citing Wymering,Hampshire,England, reference , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 918,878, 918,879.
  5. "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NBW7-CH3 : 30 December 2014, Mary Mansbridge, 15 Jun 1746); citing PORTCHESTER,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 918,883.
  6. "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NBW7-Z7Q : 30 December 2014, Jeney Mansbridge, 23 Oct 1763); citing PORTCHESTER,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 918,883.


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