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John Marshal (abt. 1170 - 1235)

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John "1st Baron Marshal of Hingham" Marshal aka Marshall
Born about in Hingham, Norfolk, Englandmap
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[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died in Hockering, Mitford, Norfolk, Englandmap
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15:33: Michael Cayley posted a message on the page for John Marshal (abt.1170-1235). [Thank Michael for this]
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Illustrious Men
John Marshal was one of 16 Illustrious Men, counselors to King John, who were listed in the preamble to Magna Carta.
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Biography

John Marshal, first Baron Marshal of Hingham (ca. 1170–1235), was a nephew of William Marshal, first earl of Pembroke [q. v.], and consequently grandson of John Marshal (d. 1164?) [q. v.]
His father was probably Anselm [Marshal], third son of John Marshal, for John, the eldest son, appears to have died childless, while Henry, the youngest, was bishop of Exeter (and therefore unmarried).[1]
Anselm Marshal is known only from the Histoire de Guillaume le Marechal (ll. 337–8, 4037–8), where Sire Ansel li Mareschals, Franz e doz e proz e leials, is mentioned as taking part in a great tournament at Lagni-sur-Marne about 1180. John Marshal was probably born about 1170, for he first appears as a knight in 1197, when he accompanied his uncle, William Marshal, on his embassy to Count Baldwin of Flanders[2].
"John Marshal, the founder of this family, owed his political advancement to his near relationship to William Marshal, Earl of Pembroke, and his feudal positions to his marriage with Aline, eldest daughter and coheir, and afterwards sole heir, of Hubert IV de Rye, lord of the [ancient] barony of Rye."[3]
In 1203 he was in Normandy with King John, and in the following year he went to Ireland in the service of the Earl Marshal, while the Earl went to Normandy in the service of the King. On 12 Nov 1207 he was made Marshal of Ireland. He accompanied King John on his Irish expedition, 1210.
From 1213 to the end of the reign he was constantly occupied in the King's service in England; in 1215 he supported the King against the rebellious barons. He was with King John at Runnymede, and one of those by whose advice the King gave his assent to Magna Carta; later in the year he was one of the embassy to the court of Rome. Returning, he accompanied the King on his march to the North, and attended him at his death at Newark, 19 October 1216.
Nine days later he was present at the Coronation of Henry III at Gloucester, and was a member of the council of his uncle, William Marshal, guardian of the young King. He was among the 'barons' in the Earl Marshal's forces in the relief of Lincoln Castle. From this time till his death he was continually occupied in the public service in England, Ireland, or abroad."

John Marshal died before 27 June 1235 [4]). By his wife Aliva [sic=Aline], daughter of Hubert de Rie (d. 1172), who was alive in 1263, when she is described as over ninety years of age[5], he had two sons, John and William. He may have also had daughters but their births were not noted. [6].

Family
Spouse: Aline (Aliva) de Rie
Children
  1. John, married Margaret de Neubourg, sister of Thomas, sixth earl of Warwick, and after 26 June 1242 was in right of his wife earl of Warwick. He died without children in October 1242.
  2. William, sided with the barons in 1263-4, and was one of their representatives at the Mise of Amiens.

Sources

  1. Dictionary of National Biography: Malthus to Mason, ed. by Sidney Lee, page 222: Marshall, John
  2. (ib. i. 10763)
  3. Cokayne, (p. 525),
  4. (Recerpta e Hot Fin. i. 284
  5. (ib. ii. 406 ; Cal. Genealogicum, i. Ill)
  6. (Sweetman, i. 2369)

See also:

  • ROYAL ANCESTRY by Douglas Richardson Vol. III, page 284:
JOHN MARSHAL, Knt., illegitimate son by his father's mistress, Alice de Coleville. He married before 7 April 1201 ALINE DE RYE, daughter and co-heiress of Hubert de Rye, of Hingham and Hockering, Norfolk, by Margaret, daughter of William Fitz Roscelin. She was born about 1173. They had two sons, John and William, Knt. SIR JOHN MARSHAL, died shortly before 27 June 1235. His widow, Aline, was living in June 1266, and died before Sept. 1267.
  • 'Histoire de Guillaume le Marechal' (ll. 337–8, 4037–8)


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On 12 Sep 2019 at 15:33 GMT Michael Cayley wrote:

On 5 Oct 2017 at 01:44 GMT Vivienne Caldwell wrote:

John's son John mentioned in the biography is not listed as a child. He married https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Beaumont-1205

Also, is there any evidence to confirm the parentage of the two daughters Sibyl and Alice ?

On 11 May 2016 at 22:01 GMT Anonymous Anonymous wrote:

I think that the mother of this John is incorrect, from reading both David Crouch's book "William Marshal" ISBN 978-1-315-64246-8 and Thomas Asbridge's book "The Greatest Knight" ISBN 978-1-4711-3951-2 both authors state that this John Marshal was illegitimate, David Crouch states that there were no children from the marriage of John Marshal and Alice(Port) Marshal. The only thing certain about the name of John"s mother was that it was Alice, but not Du Port or Port, David Crouch puts forward an argument, that she was Alice De Colleville, but this is by no means 100%

See also Marshal-214, where it also states that Marshal-33 is illegitimate, and his mother is only known as Alice





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