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Jakob Alexander Meisner (abt. 1768 - bef. 1852)

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Jakob Alexander (Alexander) Meisner aka Meisinger
Born about in Grimm, Saratov, Russiamap
Ancestors ancestors
Husband of — married 1790 in Grimm, Saratov, Russiamap
Husband of — married about 1849 in Grimm, Saratov, Russiamap
Descendants descendants
Died before in Grimm, Kamyshin, Saratov, Russiamap
Profile last modified 18 May 2019 | Created 6 Jul 2016
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Biography

Volga German
Alexander Meisner is a Volga German.
Alexander Meisner has German Roots.
Family #41 in the 1775 Grimm census.
Family #9 in the Appendix of the 1798 Grimm census.
Family #6 in the 1834 Grimm census


1775 Grimm Census [1]

Family # 41
Head of the Household Johann Heinrich Meniner [?] [sic], age 31 should be Meisner
Wife Margaretha Barbara Meniner [?] [sic], age 27
Child #1 Alexander Meniner [?] [sic], age 7 years 6 months


1798 Grimm Census [2]

Family # Appendix #9
Head of the Household Heinrich Meisinger, age 55
Wife Margaretha Barbara Hartmann Meisinger, age 51
Child #1 Jakob Alexander Meisinger, age 31
Wife of child #1 Katharina Schäfer, age 28
Grandchild #1 Johannes Meisinger, age 8
Grandchild #2 Christina Barbara Meisinger, age 5
Grandchild #3 Margaretha Barbara Meisinger, age 3
Child #2 Kaspar Meisinger, age 19
Child #3 Johann Georg Meisinger, age 16
Child #4 Ludowika Meisinger, age 18
Child #5 Katharina Margaretha Meisinger, age 14
Child #6 Margaretha Meisinger, age 12
Child #7 Henrietta Louisa Meisinger, age 9


By the time the 1834 census was taken, the spelling of the surname had officially changed to Meisner. Since neither of the first two censuses spelled this surname consistently, it's not clear if the spelling actually changed over the years, or if it was consistently spelled incorrectly until the 1834 census was taken.


1834 Grimm Census [3]

Family # 6
Head of the Household Jakob Alexander Meisner, age 66
Wife Katharina Meisner, age 63
Child #1 Johann Jakob Meisner, age 43
Wife of Child #1 Margaretha Meisner, age 43
Grandchild #1 Christian Jakob Meisner, age 21
Grandchild #2 Georg Konrad Meisner, age 19
Grandchild #3 Johann Ernst Meisner, age 17
Grandchild #4 Katharina Elisabeth Meisner, age 14
Grandchild #5 Johann Friedrich Meisner, age 12
Grandchild #6 Johann Michael Meisner, age 10
Grandchild #7 Anna Elisabeth Meisner, age 7
Grandchild #8 Friedrich Alexander Meisner, age 5
Child #2 Johann Kaspar Meisner, age 14 in 1816, to household #8
Child #3 Georg Friedrich Meisner, age 7 in 1816, to household #7
Child #4 Christian Peter Meisner, age 19


According to the 1857 census, Jakob Alexander Meisner's widow was named Charlotta and she was 67 years old. This makes her birth year about 1790. She was his second wife.

Meisner must have married her after his wife died, and after Charlotta had her last child with Johann Martin Schmidt. Because none of her children with Johann Martin Schmidt lived with her in her new family, they must have all been adults and were married and/or living in other families. This allows a closer Meisner marriage date to be estimated.

Charlotta's first husband Johann Jakob Schmidt must have died before 1835 to 1850, and her marriage to Jakob Alexander Meisner occurred at some point after that. Then, of course, Jakob Alexander Meisner passed away, but Charlotta was still considered the head of the Meisner household, not Jakob Alexander's eldest son. To me this sounds like she had been married to Mr. Meisner for at least 10 years and she was somewhat close to her step-children.

If the head of a household dies close to the year of the census, his name is usually mentioned along with the word "deceased" and the year of the person's death. Jakob Alexander's death is not mentioned in the 1857 census. This could be for one of three reasons:

  • His death was already mentioned in the 1850 interim census, so it was omitted from the 1857 census. That means he died prior to 1850.
  • His death was around 1851 and considered far enough in the past to not include it on t he 1857 census.
  • Some other reason I can't think of right now, a reason besides a census taker error.

My best guess is that Jakob Alexander and Charlotta Stehl Schmidt were married around 1849-1850, when her youngest child would have been at least 18 years of age.

I'm including a copy of the 1857 census here so that there is a connection shown to all his grandchildren.


1857 Grimm Census [4]

Note that all of the children in this record were her step-children, not her biological children. Their mother was Katharina (Schäfer) Meisner, as per the 1834 Grimm census. [5]

Family # 7
Head of the Household Charlotta Meisner, age 67, widow
Child #1 Christian Jakob Meisner, age 44
Wife of Child #2 Katharina Meisner, age 40
Grandchild #1 Maria Charlotta Meisner, age 21
Grandchild #2 Katharina Elisabeth Meisner, age 19
Grandchild #3 Peter Meisner, age 17
Grandchild #4 Georg Friedrich Meisner, age 14
Grandchild #5 Katharina Margaretha Meisner, age 10
Grandchild #6 Anna Margaretha Meisner, age 8
Grandchild #7 Anna Elisabeth Meisner, age 5
Grandchild #8 Katharina Barbara Meisner, age 2
Child #2 Georg Konrad Meisner, age 42
Wife of Child #2 Eva Katharina Meisner, age 39
Grandchild #9 Katharina Margaretha Meisner, age 18
Grandchild #10 Konrad Meisner, age 15
Grandchild #11 Christian Jakob Meisner, age 9
Grandchild #12 Johann Jakob Meisner, age 6
Grandchild #13 Johannes Meisner, age 5
Grandchild #14 Philipp Michael Meisner, age 3
Child #3 Friedrich Meisner, age 35
Wife of Child #3 Julianna Elisabeth Meisner, age 33
Grandchild #15 Katharina Elisabeth Meisner, age 11
Grandchild #16 Anna Margaretha Meisner, age 8
Grandchild #17 Charlotta Meisner, age 6
Grandchild #18 Karl Meisner, age 3
Grandchild #19 Katharina Margaretha Meisner, age 1 year 9 months
Child #4 Michael Meisner, age 33
Wife of Child #4 Katharina Margaretha Meisner, age 30
Grandchild #20 Anna Elisabeth Meisner, age 9
Grandchild #22 Katharina Margaretha Meisner, age 8
Grandchild #23 Elisabeth Margaretha Meisner, age 3
Grandchild #24 Christian Jakob Meisner, age 6 months
Child #5 Friedrich Alexander Meisner, age 28
Wife of Child #5 Elisabeth Meisner, age 28
Grandchild #25 Christian Jakob Meisner, age 5
Grandchild #26 Philipp Jakob Meisner, age 3
Grandchild #27 Peter Meisner, age 1


It is possible that one of Jakob Alexander Meisner's sons married one of Charlotta's daughters with Johann Martin Schmidt, probably after the marriage of Charlotta and Jakob Alexander. The only child of Charlotta who may be a match is Katharina Margaretha Schmidt, born in 1830. Michael Meisner, born 1827, had a wife named Katharina Margaretha, born in 1830. They were both two of the youngest of the combined families. The families may have had more to keep them bound together than just a step-mother and her step-children. The children weren't actually related by blood and they weren't first or second cousins, so marriage between them wasn't out of the question.


Sources

  1. The 1775 and 1798 Census of the German Colony on the Volga, Lesnoy Karamysh, also known as Grimm; Published by the American Historical Society of Germans from Russia, Lincoln, Nebraska, USA; Published date: 1995; family #41 in the 1775 Grimm census, Johann Heinrich Meniner [sic] family.
  2. The 1775 and 1798 Census of the German Colony on the Volga, Lesnoy Karamysh, also known as Grimm; Published by the American Historical Society of Germans from Russia, Lincoln, Nebraska, USA; Published date: 1995; Appendix family #9 in the 1798 Grimm census, Heinrich Meisinger family.
  3. 1834 Census of Grimm in the District of Saratov, Russia, dated 2 February 1835; Translated by Brent Mai, Concordia University, Portland, Oregon; Published by Dynasty Publishing, Beaverton, OR, USA; Published 2011; page 4, family #6, Jakob Alexander Meisner family.
  4. 1857 Census of Grimm in the District of Saratov, Russia, dated 5 November 1857; Translated by Brent Mai, Concordia University, Portland, Oregon; Published by Dynasty Publishing, Beaverton, OR, USA; Published 2005; page 5, family #7.
  5. 1834 Census of Grimm in the District of Saratov, Russia, dated 2 February 1835; Translated by Brent Mai, Concordia University, Portland, Oregon; Published by Dynasty Publishing, Beaverton, OR, USA; Published 2011; page 4, family #6.


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