Charles Harrison (Menzies) Menzie (1804 - 1895)

Born 28 Feb 1804 in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

Ancestors

Husband of Hannah (Jarvis) Menzie — married 11 Jul 1825 in Hobart, Tasmania, Australia

Descendants

Died 2 Sep 1895 at age 91 in Hobart, Tasmania, Australia

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Biography

This profile is part of the Menzies Name Study.

Charles (Menzies) Menzie is a member of Clan Menzies.

Charles (Menzies) Menzie was born in New South Wales, Australia

Birth and Baptism

Charles Harrison Menzie was born on 28 Jul 1804 and was baptised on 23 Jun 1805 in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia.^[1][2] His mother Mildred received her Conditional Pardon in 1804. Charles was the son of Charles Menzies and Mildred Harrison.

Commandant Menzies, now in charge of Newcastle, returns to Sydney on 3 May 1805. Young Charles Harrison Menzies is baptised on the 23 Jun 1805 at St. Phillips Church of England, Sydney, New South Wales, the day before his father leaves to return to England on the 'Investigator'.^[3]

To Hobart, Tasmania

Young Charles arrived in Hobart, with his mother Mildred and Lt. James Johnson, aboard the 'Estamina' on the 10 Apr 1806. Lt. James Johnson was a good friend of Commandant Menzies. They all lived in a house in Harrington Street, Hobart, and it was here that Maria Johnson, daughter of Mildred Rose and James Johnson was born. Maria was burnt to death on 17th August 1809. Charles Harrison Menzies had nearly suffered the same fate in 1807 when his "apparel took fire".

Lt. James Johnson returned to England on 6 Nov 1809. He renewed his friendship with Commandant Menzies and was a frequent visitor to his home.

Mildred Rose married William Williams, a convict who had arrived with David Collins in 1803.

William Williams had been sentenced in London to transportation for seven years for stealing 200lb of lead fixed to a house. William and Mildred had three children who survived infancy, Robert born 1810, Isabelle born 1812 and Mary born 1815.

Mildred died 3 Sep 1817 the result of being "dreadfully burnt by a spark catching her clothes on lifting an iron pot off the stove..." eleven days previous to her death.

Isabella Williams drowned when a overladen ferry overturned at Black Snake in 1818.

Land at Sorrell Creek

William Williams and his children Robert and Mary together with step-son Charles Harrison Menzies moved to Sorrell Creek in 1820. The children of William Williams were sent to Stone's private school, however Charles received no formal education.

On the 13 Jun, 1823 Charles, and his heirs and assigns were granted 60 acres of land on the Sorrell River, New Norfolk, Tasmania by the Colonial Secretary, Sir Thomas Brisbane. The land was bounded on the north side by the Sorrell River. However the grant excluded any timber growing, or hereafter grown on the land which may be deemed fit for Naval purposes. Some other conditions also applied to the Grant of Land.^[4]

Marriage

Charles Harrison Menzie married Hannah Jarvis on 11 Jul 1825 at St David's Church of England, Hobart, Tasmania, Australia.^[5][6] At the time of their marriage both were free, but were illiterate. They had 12 children during their marriage;

• Child: Charles Archibald Menzie
• Child: William Menzie
• Child: Mary Ann Menzie
• Child: David Charles Menzie
• Child: Emma Menzie
• Child: Frederick Menzie
• Child: Sarah Menzie
• Child: Isabella Louisa Menzies
• Child: Emma Elizabeth 'Betsy' Menzie
• Child: Eliza Menzie - Twin
• Child: Thomas Menzie - Twin
• Child: Robert Henry Charles Menzie

During the 1830's Charles and Hannah Menzie moved to New Norfolk Town, where Charles owned a butcher shop.^[7][8]

In 1866 there is a crime report published for New Norfolk municipality of one Charles Menzies having a listed quantity of clothes stolen, which are readily identifiable; "1 pair of trousers(Oxford mixture, (pepper & salt coloured lining). 1 pair of light coloured trousers with brown stripe, 1 worsted comforter (brown and red), 1 light red silk handkerchief, and 1 shirt collar, the property of Charles Menzie, who can identify them".

His wife Hannah predeceased him in 1879. Charles died on 2 Sep 1895 at 156 Melville Street, Hobart, Tasmania, at the impressive age of 90 years.^[9]

The following is Charles Harrison's obituary which appeared in the Hobart Mercury the week after his death :

"On Monday last Mr Charles Harrison Menzie died at his daughters residence, 156 Melville Street, in his 91st year. The deceased was a very old colonist. He was born in Sydney in 1805 and was the son of a Lieutenant in the British Army. He arrived in Tasmania with his mother, widow, when only a year old. The mother and child took up their abode at Sorell Creek, living on a farm. Mrs Menzie married again, her second husband being familiarly known as "Coachie Williams" and then went to live at New Norfolk, where they kept a farm.

The next event in the history of the family was that the deceased's mother was burnt to death in a bush fire. The subject of this notice grew up, and went into the butchering line, and kept a butcher's shop at New Norfolk for over 60 years, being much esteemed and respected throughout his career.

A few years ago he sold the whole of his property in that district, and came to Hobart to reside with his daughter, having acquired a considerable competency. His wife was a Miss Jarvis, who came from England with the Graves family.

Charles and Hannah had seven sons and six daughters, the youngest of whom is Mr. R. Menzie, butcher, Liverpool-Street, Hobart, who is 49 years of age, and the father of 17 children..."

Death and Burial

Charles Harrison Menzie died on 2 Sep 1895 at his daughter's home at 156 Melville Street, Hobart, Tasmania, Australia.^[10][11][12] Charles Harrison Menzie was buried at the Cornelian Bay Cemetery and Crematorium, Hobart, Tasmania, Australia.^[13] https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/204820542/charles-harrison-menzies

Sources

1. ↑ Australia, Birth Index, 1788-1922. Volume Number: V1805880 4.
2. ↑ Australia, Births and Baptisms, 1792-1981. FHL Film Number: 993949.
3. ↑ Australia, Births and Baptisms, 1792-1981. FHL Film Number: 993949.
4. ↑ New South Wales, Australia, Colonial Secretary's Papers, 1788-1856. Series: NRS 898; Reel or Fiche Numbers: Reels 6020-6040, 6070; Fiche 3260-3312. New South Wales Government. Main series of letters received, 1788-1825. Series 897, Reels 6041-6064, 6071-6072. State Records Authority of New South Wales. Kingswood, New South Wales, Australia. New South Wales Government. Special Bundles, 1794-1825. Series 898, Reels 6020-6040, 6070; Fiche 3260-3312. State Records Authority of New South Wales. Kingswood, New South Wales, Australia. New South Wales Government. Memorials to the Governor, 1810-25. Series 899, Fiche 3001-3162. State Records Authority of New South Wales. Kingswood, New South Wales, Australia.
5. ↑ "Australia Marriages, 1810-1980," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTCR-4RM : 12 December 2014), Charles Minsey and Hannah Jarvis, 11 Jul 1825; citing Hobart Town, Tasmania, Australia, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,368,285.
6. ↑ Australia, Marriage Index, 1788-1950. Registration Number: 809.
7. ↑ Tasmania, Australia, Deeds of Land Grants, 1804-1935.
8. ↑ New South Wales, Australia, Land Grants, 1788-1963.
9. ↑ Australia, Death Index, 1787-1985. Registration Number: 293.
10. ↑ Australia, Death Index, 1787-1985. Registration Number: 293.
11. ↑ Tasmanian Pioneer Index 1803-1899.
12. ↑ Tasmania, Australia, Index to Death Notices in The Mercury, 1854-1930. Original data: J & F O’Shea and K & A Whitton, comp. “Indexes to Birth, Death and Marriage Notices.” Tasmanian Family History Society Inc., Hobart Branch.
13. ↑ Australia and New Zealand, Find a Grave® Index, 1800s-Current. Find a Grave, database and images: accessed 08 January 2024), memorial page for Charles Harrison Menzies (28 Feb 1804–2 Sep 1895), Find a Grave Memorial ID 204820542, citing Cornelian Bay Cemetery And Crematorium, Hobart, Hobart City, Tasmania, Australia; Maintained by Shanetp (contributor 48489611). https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/204820542/charles-harrison-menzies.

Acknowledgements

To R Hare Hare-1576 and P Gray Howard-18870 for research, compiling, and contact with the Menzies family.

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