Gina Meyers
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1. Yes, I'd like to remain as a member of the project.
2. I have no suggestions for project priorities for next year, but it would be nice to know what sort of response you get to this and other questions from the broader project membership. Last year, for example, there was a question about minimum contribution requirements, but there did not seem to be any follow-up on that.
3. I'm pretty fully occupied at the moment, unfortunately, and unable to take on a more active role.
Cheers, Gina.
1. This one seems to be the best bet out of the 3 as it is in the same Diocese as the marriage you found for me for Michael Doyle and Mary Carroll which is Kildare and Leighlin and Rathangan isn't that far from Naas from what I can see. Birth date is different (not a big deal) and his mother's last name is different (this is throwing me off). It looks like Fenal to me? Possibly Ferral? Could this be a misprint of Carroll? https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/11856058?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a22777875364d4243424d79577672534651716a79724142523365544d3658517072324934796546747338346f3d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d
2. Pat son of Michael and Mary but baptized in Dublin City? Birth date wrong, parents correct, location roughly 32km from Naas. Witnessed by a possibly relative of Michael (Thomas Doyle). Is this a stretch to think they would travel to Dublin from the country just for a baptism? https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/11856258?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a22523334384f4d784c4c5747442b78482b665a734557646d586233614270367765377a6d4c4c71654d6566513d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d
3. This one is the long shot but Patt Doyle born to Mich'l and what looks like it is either Marg't or possibly Mary? Dates are closer to his birth date on record but this is really west from where they were married. Or is this not out of the ordinary to travel for baptism? https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/11856508?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a22674c636f2f6257645a6a526c54574a39655059756e6b54646e342b6b72684e794d2b715341612f394b32673d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d
Thank you in advance for your help!!!!
edited by Stephanie Doyle
There's a bit going on here, isn't there?
1 - Baptism in Rathangan : I'd be inclined to think that Patrick Doyle (baptised 1821 in Rathangan, son of Michael Doyle and Mary "Ferral") is probably the son of Michael Doyle and Mary Carroll, and that some clerical error has led to Mary's last name being recorded incorrectly. Michael and Mary were married in 1817, and the Rathangan registers record at least five baptisms for children of Michael Doyle and Mary Carroll from 1824-1835 (Ann, Michael, Thomas, Mary, Eliza). It would be surprising if they hadn't had any children between 1817 and 1824, and Patrick b.1821 fills the gap nicely. There is another couple named Michael (Doyle) and Mary having children in Kildare around the same time, but her last name was Behan, and they were in Rahilla, and they seem to be a different family.
The question is whether this is your Patrick. There were evidently a number of different Doyle families in the area at the time, and so you probably need to keep an open mind.
2 - Baptism in Dublin : Your Patrick's naturalisation papers do give that he was born in Dublin. It's possible that he was born in Dublin but met and married Martha in Naas, since weddings were almost always in the bride's home parish and not the groom's. But you'd have to think about how such a meeting might have come about. It's also possible that the clerk in Massachusetts simply recorded Patrick as having come from Dublin because he knew Patrick was Irish and he didn't enquire any further. I've seen that sort of thing happen before also.
3 - Baptism in Clonfert : I'm not sure I'd pay a lot of attention to this record. That is a long way west, and no, it wouldn't be common to travel such a long distance to have a child baptised.
I'd probably be keeping the Rathangan family in mind, but looking around for more compelling evidence or connections. For example :
- I'd be curious to know what connection Patrick and Martha had to the Ennis couple who witnessed their marriage. Were they siblings or cousins to Patrick or Martha?
- If Patrick and Martha followed traditional naming patterns then Patrick's parents might have been Michael (or Edward) and Julia (or Martha). If you can pin down Martha's family in Kildare, then this might give clues to who Patrick's people were.
- It's possible that Patrick and Martha emigrated with relatives from Ireland, or to relatives who were already in the US, and so I'd be looking at passenger lists, and other sources in Massachusetts, for any other individuals who might be connected to the Doyle, Lenahan or Ennis families.
I hope that helps. I'll have a hunt about, and will forward anything else which might be of interest :)
Cheers, Gina.
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1. I would like to continue as an Ireland Project member. I am on the Topics team, and am happy to stay here.
2. One contribution per year seems somewhat inadequate to demonstrate engagement with the project. However, I don't believe the contribution count is a reliable indicator of anything very much, since deleting a blank line (formatting) and development of a fully-sourced biography (improvement) both count as a single contribution. Also, monitoring the profiles to which a member contributes and the project(s) to which those profiles belong seems an unreasonable administrative burden. If a quantifiable commitment is required, it would need to be measured some other way.
3. My contribution to the project is very variable, but probably averages out at 1-2 hrs per week. For consistency, say (a) 1-5 hrs per month?
4. No other feedback at this time.
Cheers, Gina.
My guess is that came from searching My family heritage or ancestry.com. I will check the original but I had little knowledge about sources when that was done, Thanks for checking.
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I'm on the Topics Team - specifically with Irish Quakers and Irish Palatines - and am happy to stay there for going on with. I enjoy sourcing also, but I know I can dabble without being part of that team.
I don't have any comments about any changes needed.
I like the idea of an Ireland Project newsletter, but probably do not have the time at the moment to contribute.
I use discord, and am fine with that.
Cheers, Gina.
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