Elizabeth (Unknown) Holden (1705 - 1767)

Born 1705 in Groton, Middlesex, Massachusetts Bay

Wife of William Holden Sr. — married 20 Dec 1725 (to 1745) in Newton, Rockingham, New Hampshire

Wife of John Daby — married 20 Apr 1747 in Harvard, Worcester, Massachusetts Bay

Descendants

Died 1767 at about age 62 in Harvard, Worcester, Massachusetts Bay

Problems/Questions Profile managers: Joachim Hawn [send private message] and Barry Wood [send private message]

Biography

ELIZABETH

(NOTE per 1. Name 2. Identity)

1. Taking together - early references to her from her "Holden" descendants along with later mentions by members of the "Darby" Family consistently identity her without a maiden name. Members of the Danby/Darby Family acknowledge her variously ie.: 'Elizabeth, the former wife of William Holden....or: as the former 'Mrs. Elizabeth Holden......' Likewise, printed references from the Holden perspective acknowledge her second marriage to John Darby. And as for a maiden or 'other' name: "Lawrence", the only connection I've been able to ascribe any plausible merit to is with respect to the Lawrence Family, the maternal line of William Holden Sr, HOWEVER, I've found no specific references to an 'Elizabeth' matching the vitals and history of 'this' Elizabeth. So, if she is being recalled as part of Hannah Lawrence's family....it would seem her identity would be specified among that well-documented Founding American Family...
2. The Historical Record (to date) appears to identify this woman according to which husband (or both) is emphasized. This was not uncommon (yet not exclusively) practice and custom that often tended toward a woman's marital identity as co-progenitor of a specific line. Lack of knowledge, disinterest, or intentional vested effort to minimize connection with a maternal Family/individual of said Family who had transgressed social norms so to fall from all favor; may or may not have been instigating factors. Whatever be the issue of this subject...the only reasonable conclusion is to acknowledge the wife of John Darby "the former Mrs. William Holden", or "Elizabeth" relict of William Holden has not been identified with any Family-of-Origin, or even so suggested that I could find, and so (confusions or misidentifications with Holden or Lawrence Families, and taken into consideration: possible additional misidentifications with Elizabeth Holden b. 1725 d. 1816 m 1747 Moses Wheeler [daughter of William Holden and Elizabeth] aside) should be known as: "ELIZABETH", wife of WILLIAM HOLDEN and/or "ELIZABETH" wife of JOHN DARBY...with marital Family Name(s) as would be appropriate but for correct practice she remains: ELIZABETH (Maiden-Name-Unknown) Lastly, queried also was one reference to Elizabeth by the name "Elizabeth Nurse" which appears to be first mentioned by a descendant on the Find A Grave Record 21600852 " To my 6th Great Grandmother, Elizabeth Nurse ~ Daby, your family has multiplied in abundance, and are scattered across the United States. I am happy to have finally found you, at peace, in this lovely place Fondly, Your 6th Great Granddaughter, from Au Sable Forks, New York, in the extreme Northern part of the Adirondack Mountains Sleep in Peace " ...Not as happily, this researcher could not replicate, confirm, or specifically locate any woman matching criteria already established with additional information qualifying 'Nurse' reference. That said, there should not be confused identity with "Elizabeth Nourse/Nurse" daughter of Benjamin Nurse and Elizabeth Roberts who married "JOSEPH DABY" who is frequently identified as the son of JOHN DABY and first wife: HANNAH BUTTERICK, or See also: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Nourse-14 Joachim Hawn

(NOTE: follow-up to above....A review of all administrative actions connected to the FamilySearch Family Tree PID Profile for William Holden, concurs with the aforestated conclusion. Jlphawn) ALSO see new Source record documents for Darby/Darbe/Derby/Daby marriage.

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From FamilySearch Family Tree Profile

Spouse(s) and Children

WILLIAM HOLDEN (1699–1745)​

Marriage: 20 December 1725 Newington, Rockingham, New Hampshire

ELIZABETH MNU (1705–1767)

The 'Known' Children of Elizabeth and William Holden

1. ELIZABETH HOLDEN WHEELER (1725–1816)
2. Captain WILLIAM HOLDEN Jr. (1728–1807)
3. JOSHUA HOLDEN Sr. (1729–1817)
4. JEMIME or JEMIMA HOLDEN GREEN (1731–1772) NOTE: Contested biological Familial association: Parents/child--jlphawn
5. RICHARD HOLDEN Sr. (1734–1776)
6. Captain JONATHAN HOLDEN (1736–1821)​​
7. EUNICE HOLDEN STONE (1738–Deceased) NOTE: 1. There is no qualifying information determining biological association 2. Historical data identifying Eunice who married Joshua Stone simultaneously omits any suggestion per to parentage. A great deal of effort and 'creative' interpretation with revision of fact on all points appear to be the foundation of this association jlph​
8. ABIGAIL HOLDEN ALLEN (1741–Deceased) NOTE: 1. See remark concerning Eunice Holden Stone, and include here in toto.​​
9. LYDIA ANN HOLDEN (1745–Deceased) NOTE: 1. Ongoing research needed to qualify a. Identity b. Associations of Biological description

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Marriage Two

JOHN Wm. DABY or DARBY/DARBE/DERBY/DANBY (1687–1769) Marriage: 4 April 1747 Harvard, Worcester, Massachusetts Bay, British Colonial America

[Mrs.] ELIZABETH HOLDEN (1705–1767)

• Children have not successfully been identified from this marriage

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RECORD ABSTRACT

Massachusetts, Town Clerk, Vital

and Town Records, 1626-2001

Groton, Middlesex, Massachusetts

Name of Groom:...........John Darbe

Event Type:........................Marriage

Event Date:...................20 Apr 1747

Spouse's Name:..Elisabeth Holden

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Inscription

Here lies ye Body of Mrs. Elizabeth Daby, wife of Mr. John Daby, who Departed this Life September ye 9, A.D. 1767 in the 62 year of her Age.

My Looks like withered leaves appear.

And life's declining

Light grows dim as Evening shadows are.

Life's vanisht into night.

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Related subject:

I found these as 'Noted' entries in a Profile for William Holden and by extension to: Elizabeth MNU. HOWEVER What they (together) produce substantiation for is: Joseph Darby, son of John Darby and Hannah Butterick, became the husband of a woman named: Elizabeth Nourse/Nurse. That then determines two facts:

1.) It should open a pathway for establishing descendant lineages, and

2.) Simultaneously, it excludes candidacy for any considerations of alleged identifications claiming Elizabeth MNU, relict of William Holden was aka Elizabeth Nurse/Nourse. That, in turn, undermines mistaken or intentional DAR claimant listing petition or approval that Elizabeth Nurse was the relict of John Darby (she was in fact, a daughter-in-law but with no connection whatsoever to: Elizabeth MNU...) Confused identifications between the two women need to be removed from any and all equations leading to a claim of lineage

Again, whoever Elizabeth Nurse was (or was not) there just is no relative connection between her and Elizabeth MNU Holden, who married John Darby. That being the case, DAR claims resting upon this line progenitor as 'Elizabeth' relict of William Holden, need to be re-examined.

Joachim

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The following identifies a FamilySearch Pedigree Resource File—often referenced and attributed as a ‘Source’ value for the creation of new Profiles, or as support for otherwise contested or questioned biological determinations. In either scenario, the competency of research query and outcome are absolutely necessary, as they perform a critical linkage between all parties involved. In the case of the following example Pedigree Resource File, the problem though perhaps not immediately obvious nonetheless presents an irreconcilable conflict on all levels for 'any genealogical fact sheet' organizing its logic according to this Files data: (Here - a daughter of Thomas Darby and Mary Brown, married William Holden. That's a problem, you might even call it a HUGE problem, because this Elizabeth Darby Holden is conversely identified as: 'Elizabeth Holden, relict of William Holden who later married: John Darby'. The issue being this: Thomas Darby and Mary Browne were also the parents of John Darby. That would suggest a latent marriage of a biological sister and brother. That's a problem.

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ELIZABETH DARBY

Female

Birth—19 October 1690 Stow, Middlesex, Massachusetts

Death—9 September 1767 Harvard, Worcester, Massachusetts

PARENTS:

Father—THOMAS DARBY

Mother—MARY BROWNE

MARRIAGES (1)

Spouse:

WILLIAM HOLDEN

Marriage

1725 Groton, Middlesex, Massachusetts

SOURCES (3)

1. U.S., Sons of the American Revolution Membership Applications, 1889-1970, SAR Membership Number: 76878
2. Ancestry.com :
3. Ancestry Family Trees, Ancestry Family Tree Ancestry.ca:Family Data Collection - Individual Records, Birth year: 1699; Birth city: Groton; Birth state: MA

Ancestry.ca :

NOTES (1)

Quoted text: http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=35091267&pid=5605

CITING THIS RECORD:

"Pedigree Resource File," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:3HST-737 : accessed 3 September 2019), entry for Elizabeth /Darby/, cites sources; "Munn/Bartik" file (2:2:2:MMDV-FYC), submitted 18 October 2015 by Harry bartik [identity withheld for privacy].

PEDIGREE RESOURCE FILE

Person Count: 8,193

Submission ID: MMDV-FYC

Seth /Wheeler/ J

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• Note pertaining to likely origin of contested descent on the premise previously remarked upon in my message to a WikiTree member-----(Source: (1) Viola A. Derby Bromley, Derby Genealogy- Descendants of Thomas Derby of Stow, MA, (The Grafton Press, New York, MCMV)., (2) Nourse, History of Harvard, MA. John Derby was one of the original petitioners for the creation of the town of Harvard in 1747. He was a blacksmith and his son, Joseph was a joiner. Together they built a saw and grist mill about the date of Harvard's incorporation.) Last Changed: 26 August 2013 by: sshannon2736027—a FamilySearch member contributor

Sources

See also:

• "Massachusetts, Town Clerk, Vital and Town Records, 1626-2001," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QG1K-N6DK : 29 November 2018), John Darbe and Elisabeth Holden, 20 Apr 1747; citing Marriage, Groton, Middlesex, Massachusetts, United States, , town clerk offices, Massachusetts; FHL microfilm .

• "Massachusetts, Town Clerk, Vital and Town Records, 1626-2001," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QG1K-F92L : 29 November 2018), John Darbe and Elisabeth Hodin, 20 Apr 1747; citing Marriage, Groton, Middlesex, Massachusetts, United States, , town clerk offices, Massachusetts; FHL microfilm .

• "Massachusetts, Town Clerk, Vital and Town Records, 1626-2001," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FCSC-YQY : 3 November 2017), John Derby and Elisabeth Holdin, 20 Apr 1747; citing Marriage, Groton, Middlesex, Massachusetts, United States, , town clerk offices, Massachusetts; FHL microfilm 892,249.

• "Massachusetts Marriages, 1695-1910," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FCHJ-9XJ : 9 February 2018), John Daby and Elizabeth Holden, 04 Apr 1747; citing reference ; FHL microfilm 0874025 IT 2.

• "Massachusetts Births and Christenings, 1639-1915," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FCL8-JNP : 10 February 2018), Elisabeth for William Holdin, 19 Feb 1728; citing GROTON,MIDDLESEX,MASSACHUSETTS, ; FHL microfilm 0873746 IT 4.

• U.S., Sons of the American Revolution Membership Applications, 1889-1970 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011. Original data: Sons of the American Revolution Membership Applications, 1889-1970. Louisville, Kentucky: National Society of the Sons of the American Revolution. Microfilm, 508 rolls.

• Bromley, Viola A. Derby, Derby Genealogy Being a Record of the Descendants of Thomas Derby (The Grafton Press, New York, 1905) Page 19

• Find A Grave, database and images (accessed 16 February 2019), memorial page for Elizabeth Daby (unknown–9 Sep 1767), Find A Grave: Memorial #21600852, citing Harvard Center Cemetery, Harvard, Worcester County, Massachusetts, USA ; Maintained by AllanG (contributor 46922592) .