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Elinora More (bef. 1612 - abt. 1621)

Elinora (Ellen) "Elinor" More
Born before in Shipton, Shropshire, Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
[spouse(s) unknown]
Died about in Plymouthmap
Profile last modified | Created 6 Sep 2012 | Last significant change: 18 Nov 2020
22:46: Phyllis (Arnold) Wright edited the data for Elinora More (bef.1612-abt.1621). [Thank Phyllis for this]
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Biography

Baptized: Ellen/Elinora was baptized at Shipton, Shropshire, "24 May 1612 Ellinora Moore filia Samuelis Moore de Larden et uxoris eius bap. "The baptism of her sister Mary reveals the name of her mother Catherine.[1]

Elinora's mother had been engaged in a long term affair with Jacob Blakeway, and it was determined that he was the father of her children. After the divorce of Samuel and Catherine, Samuel had custody of the children and put them into the care of John Carver and Robert Cushman to transport them to Virginia, maintain them for seven years and at the end of the term provide them with 50 acres of land.[2]

Sailed on the Mayflower 1620: "Mr. Edward Winslow ; Elizabeth, his wife; ... also a litle girle was put to him, caled Ellen, the sister of Richard More." "One of his servants dyed, as also the litle girle, soone after the ships arivall."[3]

Death: Prince[4] published the names of those who died in Nov and Dec 1620. Ellen's brother, Jasper, died then but she was not named so died in early 1621 [1620/21]. With many others who died that winter, her name appears on the Pilgrim Memorial Tomb, Coles Hill, Plymouth, Massachusetts.

Mayflower, First Sickness and Cole's Hill Burial Ground

Sources

  1. Hill, Edwin A. "The English Ancestry of Richard More of the Mayflower." NYGBR Vol 36. Iss. 3. p. 214
  2. Wagner, Anthony B. The Origin of the Mayflower Children: Jasper, Richard and Ellen More. New England Historical and Genealogical Register 114: 163 Link at AmericanAncestors ($)
  3. Bradford, William. History of Plymouth Plantation (Boston:, 1865) – p. 447, 451
  4. Prince, Thomas. A chronological history of New-England, in the form of annals, being a summary and exact account of the most material transactions and occurrences relating to this country, in the order of time wherein they happened, from the discovery of Capt. Gosnold, in 1602, to the arrival of Governor Belcher, in 1730 : with an introduction containing a brief epitome of the most considerable transactions and events abroad, from the creation ... (Boston 1826. )

Acknowledgements

  • BK McDonald, firsthand knowledge. Click the Changes tab for the details of edits by BK and others.




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The extra spellings in the database are there specifically because Wikitree's search engine is not as sophisticated as say Ancestry. It only knows to look for what we've entered. So if someone comes along and wants to create a new profile for Mistress More and they're looking at the record that spells her name say Ellen and it's not in the database spelled that way, they won't know she's already here. And newbies especially don't know enough to look for alternate spellings and use wildcards. There are profiles on wikitree that have dozens of names (first and last) used in the database section.
posted by Anne B
We record what they recorded. Why is that complex?
posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
Anne, we can acknowledge the illiteracy and inconsistency of the SOURCES describing this person in the bio. We don't need to inject their vagueries into the literal database of her FNAB. She obviously only had one name, at birth. All inconsistency has been created by others. We should use their conventions, not ours (or other third parties) and by "their" we mean the family group.

"John" was not spelled consistently, in this era either, or moving between Latin (and Irish, or Welsh, or French) but we know exactly what King John's name was, don't we? We wouldn't call him King Jehane, even if a French document did. Or Kingge Jon (or Jno.) even if some contemporary scribe did. Because that wasn't his name.

Your argument is in essence, that a genealogist would not spell Jesus, j-e-s-u-s?

posted by Isaac Taylor
No, we can't be consistent. The name was not spelled consistently in the records. I believe that it's better to acknowledge those inconsistencies than to ignore them. As a matter of fact I am generally careful to use the spelling exactly as it is in the record
posted by Anne B
Why can't we make up our mind what her name was?

This profile and her father's profile use variously Ellen, Elinor, E-l-l-inora & E-l-inora. That's three too many names. It's one thing to have a nickname or contraction; it's another to spell her given name three different ways in one profile.

This inconsistency is to be expected given some sources are in Latin others English, and the dates of the sources and literacy (and location) of their authors are all over the map. But she only has one name. Can we please pick one, and be consistent with it, and shift/list the others into the bio as variations? Rather than being self-inconsistent within our own profiles? Certainly we don't need THREE versions of the same name in her FNAB, do we? And in the first sentence of the bio we contradict ourselves citing the baptism (in Latin as 'Ellinora') while writing (in American) 'Ellen/Elinora' was baptized...

Suggest we pick a contemporary English source. Not later American docs (“baptized”) or secondary sources; but an actual colonial-era English source. It will probably say Ellen, right? (Because she's not Welsh, so not Elen. That said, I get that Blakeway's mother must have Welsh ancestry, given her FNAB; but Jacob and Catherine wouldn't have baptised her with the Welsh variant, and neither More nor Brewster would have called her Elen either. The ideal source would be whatever her mother called her in custody court before emigration.)

Using an English source will also shove the Latinesque spellings (both ending in -a) into biographical trivia, where they belong; and solve the inconsistency of whether it's one L or two Ls-- in the same way the French name Guillaume (William) becomes Gulielmus in Latin. For example on a French profile we wouldn't include the Latin or a pidgun-latin in the FNAB (and ought never misuse lawyer latin in WikiTree nickname field); and neither would we misspell William as Wiliam, just because latin used one L, so why do that to her?

Thoughts?

posted by Isaac Taylor
Elinor appears to be a descendant of Berkeley-6 who is a Surety Baron descendant
posted by Michael Stills

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