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Richard More Sr. (bef. 1614 - bef. 1696)

Capt. Richard More Sr. aka Moor, Moore
Born before in Shipton, Shropshire, Englandmap
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Husband of — married 20 Oct 1636 in New Plymouth, Plymouth Colonymap
Husband of — married before 23 May 1678 in Salem, Massachusetts Bay Colonymap [uncertain]
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Died before in Salem, Essex, Province of Massachusetts Bay, New Englandmap
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Biography

Birth and Parents

Richard More, baptized at Shipton Parish, Shropshire, 13 November 1614, is said to be the son of Katherine More and Samuel More,[1][2] Esq., of More, Shropshire and London.[3] The following is his baptismal record from the Shipton, Shropshire Parish records:
13 November 1614: Richardus Moore filius Samueli Moore de Larden et uxoris eius bap.[4][5]
Richard's mother, Katherine, was the daughter and co-heiress of Jasper More, Esq. of Larden, Shropshire, and Elizabeth Smale.[3] She was baptized 23 November 1586.[4] She descended from Malcolm III and David I of Scotland and probably from Edward I of England and, at age 23, she was to become the heiress to Larden Hall.[1] Larden Hall, first known as "The Morehouse", was held by Katherine's family for many generations, being part of the manor of Shipton. The family expanded, acquiring lands in Laverden (Larden) and purchasing the Lordship of Larden in 1434, with Larden eventually becoming the family seat.[4]
Richard's father, Samuel More, was born about 1594, the son of Richard More of Linley,[6] Shropshire, not far from the Welsh border, in the parish of More. Richard More married Sarah Harris in Shrewsbury in 1592 and Samuel was their eldest son.[4]
Samuel's father, Richard, was set to inherit the More estate at Larden on Jasper's death, as none of Jasper More's three sons had survived him. A marriage was soon arranged between Jasper's daughter, Katherine, and Richard's son, Samuel. They were third cousins. Their marriage settlement dated 18 October 1610 outlined the terms of the Larden estate's transfer.[4] On Jasper More's death, his wife, Elizabeth was to have use of Larden for her life and, afterward, the property was to be held "to the use of Samuel and Katherine More and the heirs of their bodies, in default of them to the heirs of the body of Samuel More." Samuel and Katherine were married 4 February 1611,[4] she was aged about 25 and he was about 17.[7]
Katherine and Samuel More had four children, Jasper, Ellen, Richard and Mary, each of whom was baptized as a child of Samuel More in Shipton,[1] at the church of St. James, as follows: "Elinora Moore" on 24 May 1612, "Jasperus Moore" on 8 August 1613, "Richardus Moore" (above) and "Maria Moore" on 16 April 1616.[4] The family resided at Larden with Katherine's parents, Jasper and Elizabeth More. Jasper died in January 1614.[7]

Divorce and Aftermath

Katherine and Samuel's relationship was a tumultuous one that eventually led to divorce.[1] It is widely believed that Jacob Blakeway, "a base fellow", is the biological father of some or all of Katherine's children; and Samuel himself believed the children to be the product of Katherine's and Blakeway's affair.[6] Mayflower scholar Caleb Johnson writes:
"Katherine had a longstanding but secret extramarital affair with a neighbor by the name of Jacob Blakeway. At some point, husband Samuel More began to notice a resemblance between "his" children, and Jacob Blakeway whom he had come to suspect was with his wife. When he realized his four children were not actually "his", but were bastards, he and his wife engaged in a bitter divorce and Samuel ended up getting custody of the children he claimed were not his."[8]
In April 1616, after Samuel discovered his wife's adultery, he cut the entail on the Larden estate to prevent her children from inheriting and his father, Richard, did the same to protect the estates of Linley and Downton.[7] At that time, Samuel boarded the children with his father's tenants,[1][6] moving them from Larden to Lindley, and also consulted with Lord Edward Zouche, 11th Baron Zouche of Harringworth and member of the king's privy council, "about the problem posed by the children".[9] During that era, the husband had total control of his wife's children, "and in this case all were to be cast out for their mother's transgressions".[7]
Katherine filed for an annulment on the grounds of having a pre-contract with Jacob Blakeway, applying to the Chancellor of the Consistory Court of the Diocese of Hereford in June 1616. She lost her case. Charges were brought against Jacob for adultery and he was fined, yet the adultery continued. In March 1619, Samuel sued him for trespassing and breaking and entering and won £400 in damages. As Jacob was unable to pay the damages, "Blakeway to prevent execucion fledd" (he would have been jailed for failing to pay the damages). No further record of Jacob Blakeway is found after this.[7]
Samuel filed for a divorce on the grounds of adultery and Katherine fought against it.[7] The divorce was granted in 1619 and Katherine unsuccessfully appealed the sentence[6] to the High Court of Delegates, her appeal being dismissed on 8 July 1620. Their dispute ended with Katherine being barred from all "rights, titles, interests and demands" relating to Larden, and she renounced her claims to the estates on 24 June 1622. Nothing more is known of Katherine's life after she signed this document.[7]
A document spelling out the dispute between Samuel and Katherine, the July 1620 terms of the children's "delivery" to Carver and Cushman, and the reasons behind it can be seen in The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, vol 114 (July 1960), pages 165-166.[6] The claims in this article are supported by court documents and other sources. It should be noted that this document, written on Samuel More's behalf, appears to have been drawn up after January 1622, as it is addressed to Sir James Ley, Lord Chief Justice of the King's Bench, who had been appointed to that position on 29 January 1622.[7]
Samuel More remarried on 11 June 1625 to Elizabeth Worsley in Hampshire.[9] It is assumed that Katherine had died by that date[7] as, although they were divorced, neither was allowed to remarry until one had died. Samuel had seven children with his second wife and his son, another Richard More, inherited his father's estates at Lindley, Larden[6] and Downton, as he was their eldest son.[4] According to the Dictionary of National Biography, Samuel More is said to have later been a "commander on the side of the Parliament in the Civil War".[6]

Mayflower Voyage

On 8 July 1620, the date Katherine's divorce appeal was dismissed, Samuel and his father quickly dispensed with Katherine's children.[9] In order to spare Katherine's children from the "great blotts and blemishes [that] may fall upon them", Samuel put them in the care of Thomas Weston, Robert Cushman and John Carver, "honest and religious people", to be sent to the New World. Samuel gave the men payment for the children's travel, food, clothing and arranged for each to eventually receive 50 acres of land.[1][9] It is likely that Lord Zouche played a pivotal role in facilitating the childrens' removal to Virginia, as he had been a member of the Virginia Company and was one of the first members of the Council for New England.[9]
Katherine's children were taken to London by one of Samuel's father's servants and given to Philemon Powell with instruction to deliver them to John Carver and Robert Cushman, who would transport them to Virginia. Before the journey, the children were housed with Thomas Weston.[9] The 27 September 1684 deposition of Richard Moore "aged seaventy yeares or there-abouts", sworn saith "that being in London att the House of Mr. Thomas Weston Ironmonger in the year 1620 He was from thence transported to new Plymouth in New England..."[1][10]
Richard and his siblings were assigned to the care of three families: Jasper to John Carver, Ellen to Edward Winslow and Richard and Mary (who Bradford called one of Richard's brothers) to William Brewster.[1][4] At the time, Jasper was almost seven years old, Richard was almost six, Ellen was a little over eight and Mary was 4 years, 4 months of age.[9] The group traveled aboard the Mayflower, arriving in New England in 1620,[3] and first resided in Plymouth, Massachusetts.[1][2] Sadly, Richard was the only one of the More children to survive the first winter, and he is found still living with the Brewsters in the 1627 cattle division,[1] as the fourth person in the fifth company headed by William Brewster.[1]
Richard may have returned to England at some point after 1627, returning to New England in June or July of 1635,[2] as a "Richd. More" age 20 is found on a list of passengers departing from London for Boston aboard the ship Blessing. Also traveling aboard the Blessing was Christian Hunter, age 20, who was traveling as a member of Richard Hollingsworth's large family.[1] In depositions dated 1 April 1690 and again, later in 1690, Richard deposed naming "my ffather in Law Richard Hollingsworth Senr".[1]

Salem, Massachusetts

Shortly after his first marriage in 1636, Richard removed to Salem, Massachusetts.[2] He sold his house and land in Duxbury on 1 November 1637[2] and was granted land in Salem, where he settled.[1] Richard More became a seaman and ship captain, and made trips to England and the West Indies, Port Royal (in Nova Scotia), and Virginia.[1]
On 28 February 1642/3, Richard was made freeman, just one day after he joined the First Church at Salem.[1][2] His two sons were baptized there on 6 March.[1] The rest of his children would be baptized there as well, through his last child Christian, baptized in 1652.[1]
Richard was also a tavern keeper, as there is a record for "Capt. Richard More" obtaining a one year license in September 1674 to keep an ordinary, sell beer and cider, but not wine or liquors.[2]

Property

Richard More is recorded in many Salem deeds, buying and selling many properties between 1649 and 1690 (see GMB pages 1284-1285 and image 1 and image 2 attached to this profile).[2][11] Richard was listed as one of the Ancient Freemen of Plymouth who received grants of land in Sepecan (Rochester) and Falls River in 1660 and he purchased a Freeman's lot in Swansea. He sold the lots at Sepecan and Swansea on 30 August 1673, and had previously sold land at Mattapoisett on 1 March 1667/8.[1]
On 5 May 1675, Richard transferred his "dwelling house where I now live" in Salem to his sons Caleb and Richard and his daughters Susanna and Christian More.[1][2]

Marriages and Children

Richard married first to Christian Hunter at Plymouth, Massachusetts, on 20 October 1636.[1][2][3] Christian was the daughter of Thomas and Susan (Gentleman) Hunter. Her father died before 1627, and her mother remarried to Richard Hollingsworth. Christian traveled to New England with the Hollingsworth family aboard the Blessing in 1635.[12][13]
Richard and Christian More had five sons and two daughters. All were baptized in Salem, Massachusetts:[1][12]
  • Samuel,[3] baptized 6 March 1642, living in 1650[/1], no further record.[1][2]
  • Thomas,[3] baptized 6 March 1642, living in 1650[/1], no further record.[1][2]
  • Caleb,[3] baptized 31 March 1644, died unmarried, aged 34, on 4 January 1678/9[1][10] at Salem.[2]
  • Joshua,[3] baptized 3 May 1646, living in 1650[/1], no further record.[1][2]
  • Richard,[3] baptized 2 January 1647/8,[1] married by 1673 to Sarah _____.[2]
  • Susanna,[3] baptized 12 May 1650,[1] married first, by 1675, to Samuel Dutch; second, by 1696, to Richard Hutton (his 2nd wife); and third, in Wenham 11 April 1714, to John Knowlton.[2]
  • Christian,[3] baptized 5 September 1652,[1] married in Salem, 31 August 1676, to Joshua Conant (his first wife).[2] Christian died 30 May 1680, aged 28.[10]
Christian died at Salem, Massachusetts on 18 March 1676, at the age of 60.[1][2][3][10]
Richard married second before 23 May 1678 to Jane (----) Crumpton, widow of Samuel Crumpton, who had died 18 September 1675[3] in King Philip's War,[1] killed at the Muddy Brook Bridge in the company of Thomas Lothrop.[2][12] They had no issue. Jane died, aged 55, at Salem, Massachusetts on 5 (or 8) October 1686,[3] aged 55.[1][10] For a time, Jane was thought to be a daughter of Richard Hollingsworth,[10] but that theory was later disproved.

Death

Richard More's date of death is not recorded.[1] He was living 19 March 1693/4,[2][3] when he witnessed his daughter Susannah's bond.[1] He died before 20 April 1696,[3] when he was mentioned in a deed as "lately deceased".[1][2] His headstone was originally inscribed "Here Lyeth Buried ye Body of Capt Richard More aged 84 Years" and later the phrase "died 1692 a Mayflower Pilgrim" was added in error.[1] The stone is located in the old Charter Street Cemetery in Salem. Richard is believed to be last male Mayflower passenger (besides Peregrine White, who was born onboard) to die, surviving all the others.[10]
Mayflower Families notes that there was no Essex County probate for Richard More.[1]

Research Notes

Disputed Relationships

Daughter, Elizabeth More, and wife Elizabeth (Woolnough) More, are not named in Mayflower Families, Magna Carta Ancestry or in Great Migration Begins and have been detached until a reliable source is found.
Previously included in the above biography was the following information, with its likely source being Mayflower Bastard by David Lindsay (although no citation was attached):
"His daughter, born from a bigamous union in London with Elizabeth Woolnough, married 23 October 1645 was Elizabeth More, b. abt 1638. Her birth was about seven years prior to her parents marriage."
Anderson states that "A Richard More of Salem in New England married 23 October 1645 at St Dunstans, Stepney, Middlesex, at a time when Richard More of Salem was certainly married. Unless we are prepared to accept Richard More of Salem as a bigamist, there must have been, at least for a brief time, two Richard Mores in Salem."[2][11]
AmericanAncestors.org "Mayflower 2020" states: "In 2002 David Lindsay published Mayflower Bastard: A Stranger Among the Pilgrims (New York 2002), a biography of Richard More, which takes great liberties with the available evidence."[11][12] Also see Robert Charles Anderson's review of Lindsay's book in The American Genealogist, in which he states that the author "uses a style of argumentation much beloved of conspiracy theorists", and that "it is much closer to fiction than history and does not provide any new insights".[14]

Royal Descent

Richard's descent from Malcolm III of Scotland and Edward I of England are outlined in the April 1970 edition of the New England Historical and Genealogical Register.[15]

Unsourced Information

A source for the following information is needed:
This is about the time [1627] his name appears, at age 14, in a census as a member of the Brewster family in what was then called "New Plimouth." By 1628 he was in the employ of Pilgrim Isaac Allerton, who was engaged in trans-Atlantic trading.[citation needed]
In 1688, the Salem Church recorded: "Old Captain More having been for many years under suspicion and common fame of lasciviousness, and some degree at least of inconstancy ... but for want of proof we could go no further. He was at last left to himself so far as that he was convicted before justices of peace by three witnesses of gross unchastity with another man's wife and was censured by them.[citation needed]

Sources

  1. 1.00 1.01 1.02 1.03 1.04 1.05 1.06 1.07 1.08 1.09 1.10 1.11 1.12 1.13 1.14 1.15 1.16 1.17 1.18 1.19 1.20 1.21 1.22 1.23 1.24 1.25 1.26 1.27 1.28 1.29 1.30 1.31 1.32 1.33 1.34 1.35 1.36 Sherman, Robert Moody et. al. Mayflower Families Through Five Generations. Volume Fifteen Family of James Chilton and Family of Richard More. General Society of Mayflower Descendants, 1997, pages 151-155. Not available online.
  2. 2.00 2.01 2.02 2.03 2.04 2.05 2.06 2.07 2.08 2.09 2.10 2.11 2.12 2.13 2.14 2.15 2.16 2.17 2.18 2.19 2.20 2.21 Robert Charles Anderson, The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England, 1620-1633, 3 vols., Boston, MA: NEHGS (1995). Online at AmericanAncestors.org, Vol. II, pages 1283-1287 (with subscription).
  3. 3.00 3.01 3.02 3.03 3.04 3.05 3.06 3.07 3.08 3.09 3.10 3.11 3.12 3.13 3.14 3.15 Douglas Richardson. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham. 2nd edition. Salt Lake City, UT: the author, 2011, vol. III, page 174-175, MORE 15.i.
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.5 4.6 4.7 4.8 Harris, Donald F. "The More Children of the Mayflower" in 3 parts, published in The Mayflower Descendant. Online at American Ancestors.org, Part I: vol. 43, no. 2 (July 1993), pages 123-132: background of the More families and estates (with subscription).
  5. Revell, Phil. The Mayflower Children. (Ascribe Publishing, 2013). Not available online.
  6. 6.0 6.1 6.2 6.3 6.4 6.5 6.6 Wagner, Anthony R. "The Origin of the Mayflower Children: Jasper, Richard and Ellen More" in The New England Historical and Genealogical Register. (Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1847-). Online at AmericanAncestors.org, vol. 114 (July 1960), pages 163-168 (with subscription).
  7. 7.0 7.1 7.2 7.3 7.4 7.5 7.6 7.7 7.8 Harris, Donald F. "The More Children of the Mayflower" in 3 parts, published in The Mayflower Descendant. Online at American Ancestors.org, Part II "A Spurious Broode" (with subscription): vol. 44, no. 1 (January, 1994), pages 11-20 (with subscription): background on Blakeway family.
  8. Caleb Johnson. MayflowerHistory.com: Richard More and Ellen, Jasper, and Mary More.
  9. 9.0 9.1 9.2 9.3 9.4 9.5 9.6 Harris, Donald F. "The More Children of the Mayflower" in 3 parts, published in The Mayflower Descendant. Online at American Ancestors.org, Part III "Samuel Came to London": vol. 44 no. 2 (July, 1994), pages 109-118 (with subscription): Lord Zouche, removal of children, Richard More of Linley - Puritan.
  10. 10.0 10.1 10.2 10.3 10.4 10.5 10.6 Bowman, George E. "The Only Mayflower Gravestone" in the Mayflower Descendant. Online at AmericanAncestors.org, vol. 3, no. 4 (October 1901), pages 193-201 (with subscription).
  11. 11.0 11.1 11.2 Richard More biography at Mayflower 2020, online at AmercanAncestors.org.
  12. 12.0 12.1 12.2 12.3 Anderson, Robert Charles. The Pilgrim Migration: Immigrants to Plymouth Colony 1620-1633. (Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2004), pages 330-335. Not available online.
  13. Mahler, Leslie. "The English Origin of the Hunter and Hollingsworth Families of Salem, Massachusetts" in The American Genealogist. Online at AmericanAncestors.org, vol. 78, no. 4 (Oct 2003/pub'd Mar 2004), pages 241-244 (with subscription): Christian's parentage.
  14. "Book Reviews: 'Mayflower Bastard: A Stranger Among the Pilgrims' by David Lindsay" in The American Genealogist. Online at American Ancestors.org, vol. 77 (October 2002), pages 318-19 (with subscription).
  15. "The Royal Descent of a Mayflower Passenger" in The New England Historical and Genealogical Register. (Boston, MA: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1847-). Online at AmericanAncestors.org, vol. 124 (Apr 1970), pages 86-87 (with subscription).
  • Sherman, Robert Moody et. al. Mayflower Families Through Five Generations. Volume Fifteen Family of James Chilton and Family of Richard More. General Society of Mayflower Descendants, 1997.
  • Anderson, Robert Charles. The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England, 1620-1633, 3 vols., Boston, MA: NEHGS (1995).
  • Richardson, Douglas. Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham. 2nd edition. (Salt Lake City, UT: the author, 2011). See also WikiTree's source page for Magna Carta Ancestry.
  • Richardson, Douglas. Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham. (Salt Lake City, UT: the author, 2013). See also WikiTree's source page for Royal Ancestry.
See also:
  • Wikipedia: Richard More (Mayflower passenger).
  • Find A Grave, database and images (accessed 07 February 2020), memorial page for Capt Richard More (1608–1692), Find A Grave: Memorial #3543, citing Burying Point Cemetery, Salem, Essex County, Massachusetts, USA; Maintained by Find A Grave: headstone photo.
  • Lindsay, David. Mayflower Bastard: A Stranger Among the Pilgrims. (New York: Thomas Dunne Books, 2002). Not available online. See TAG 77:318-319 for review by Anderson.
  • Bradford, William. History of Plymouth Plantation (Massachusetts Historical Society, 1856) p. 447 (6) M. William Brewster; Mary, his wife; with 2, sons, whose names were Love & Wrasling; and a boy was put 6. to him called Richard More; and another of his brothers. The rest of his childeren were left behind, & came over afterwards." p. 451 "(4) M. Brewster lived to very old age; about 80 years he was when he dyed, having lived some 23, or 24 years here in y” countrie; & though his wife dyed long before, yet she dyed aged. His sone Wrastle dyed a yonge man unmaried; his sone Love lived till this year 1650. and dyed, & left 4. children, now living. His doughters which came over after him are dead, but have left sundry children alive; his eldst sone is still liveing, and hath 9. or 10, children; one maried, who hath a child or 2."
  • Bradford, William, 1590-1657. Of Plimoth Plantation: manuscript, 1630-1650. State Library of Massachusetts "List of Mayflower Passengers." In Bradford's Hand.

Acknowledgements

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Magna Carta Project

Richard More Sr. is listed in Magna Carta Ancestry (2011), vol. I, pages xxiii-xxix, as a Gateway Ancestor and is in a Richardson-documented trail to Magna Carta Surety Baron, William de Mowbray (MCA vol. III, pages 173-175 MORE). For the list of profiles in this trail and notes about badged trails to other Magna Carta Surety Barons, see "Magna Carta Trail" on his mother's profile.
This trail has been developed by the Magna Carta project. This profile was developed for the project on 9 Feb 2020 by Thiessen-117. Both trail and profile were reviewed/approved for the project by Michael Cayley on 28 May 2020.
See Base Camp for more information about Magna Carta trails. See the project's glossary for project-specific terms, such as a "badged trail".


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posted by Michael Cayley
A few relationships on this profile are questionable/should probably be changed as follows:

1. FATHER should be replaced with Samuel More per MF5, MCA and GMB - Samuel More is listed as father on baptism. Blakeway as father not proved (but likely). Should his father be removed completely?

2. WIFE Elizabeth (Woolnough) More should be removed - not named as a wife in MF5, MCA and GMB - she likely married another Richard More, unless the Richard of this profile was a bigamist (no proof exists for that).

3. DAUGHTER Elizabeth More should be removed - not named as daughter in MF5, MCA and GMB - she is the daughter of Elizabeth Woolnough and the "other" Richard More in #2 above.

posted by Traci Thiessen
edited by Traci Thiessen
Looking back at Changes, I find it interesting all the changes that have been made to a profile that I had made "my baby" many years ago. I and others spent many hours going through all he references noted - and others - almost none on-line but were reviewed in actual book form, most of which are on my bookshelf today. And all of what was/is in the RM profile was largely extracted from the RM biography that I wrote for Wikipedia - including about the 3 persons you note. The Wikipedia RM bio prints out at about 11-12 sheets.

If you have not read David Lindsay's "Mayflower Bastard" I suggest you do so - his research (in England) covers quite well the 3 persons/situations you mentions and does it well I think and very convincingly regarding the marriage done in bigamy and as well as the child born in England.

I read the works of Dr. Donald Harris from Shropshire, who shared his RM research with Lindsay and myself. Harris does much writing for the Mayflower Society about Richard More. And regarding Mayflower, being a descendant of Richard More, of which there are only 100 members in the Society that are his descendants, is a rare honor for me indeed.

Regards Alton

posted by Alton Rogers
Keep in mind that this profile is still a work-in-progress and I still plan to add info re: his disputed father. This is the profile, as it was in Oct 2017, before I edited/added sources: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Traci%27s_Sand_Box. I think most will agree that it is quite improved. When the profile is complete, we can take up the subject of Blakeway as father and bigamous marriage in G2G. Thanks!
posted by Traci Thiessen
I certainly would like to play a part in any profile review of all three persons noted. David Lindsay, especially, as mentioned, has done some fine research on Blakeway and Woolnough.

Another Shropshire author who has provided much on the More children is Phil Revell. He gave me much of his research on the children, including a treasure which is titled "The Shipton (Shropshire) Parish Register 1538-1812" (pub. 1899). The baptismal data on the More children is noted as is the same for all the "players" in the More drama. In that register the More family is listed mostly as "Moore." Numerous Blakeway family members are listed with the name spelling as "Blakewey." Phil and I have corresponded and I received his book on the More Children from him. It is titled "The Mayflower Children a history" by Phil Revell. This book details the More family and all of the associated families in the ancestry of the More children. If you need anything extracted from what I have received from Phil Revell let me know.

Alton

posted by Alton Rogers
I've added the Mayflower profile checklist. We've been using this checklist as we've been updating profiles, so we don't forget things etc.
posted by Anne B

Mayflower, MCP and PM's: This profile has a lot of cut and pasted text, a huge source list and just few inline citations. Does anyone want to volunteer to fix this profile to make it a true 5-star profile? Any help is appreciated! Thanks!

posted by Traci Thiessen
Indeed... To me, this needs "allot" of work as the parents don't look right along with a handful of other information that appears to (possibly) be mixed up with a one or two other individuals with the same/similar names and other information as well. I wish I had more time to work on this myself.

~Brian Kerr

posted by Brian Kerr Esq
Ok I've cleared my decks and will tackle Richard.
posted by Anne B
Thanks so much Anne!!! Would you like me to add inline Richardson (Magna Carta Ancestry) citations before you start?
posted by Traci Thiessen
Deathplace is missing Essex county, created 1643 (i.e. half-century before More died there).
posted by Isaac Taylor
Interesting details on this profile of More's disputed paternity. Here's an external source that lands on the Samuel More as the father side: "Anthony R. Wagner, The Origin of the Mayflower Children: Jasper, Richard and Ellen More, (Boston: The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, July 1960), vol. 114, p. 164: Parish Record of the Shipton Shropshire Register Society."
posted by Fowler Jones III
Richard appears to be a descendant of Berkeley-6 who is a Surety Baron descendant
posted by Michael Stills
I do wish there would be a more rounded biography about the taking of the children and disposing of them. The idea that Samuel More had the best intentions of the children (as in the article by Ian Lawrence) is questionable at best. Also refer to the section in Wikipedia, then judge based on the situation in a time when children belonged to the children (divorce decisions would have had little bearing) and women had few rights - and when sending anyone, let alone small children, to the colonies was often considered a death sentence article from Wikipedia under "Legal Actions and Removal of the Children".
posted by Annie Blanchard
There is an interesting article by Ian Lawrence at

http://www.annapolisheritagesociety.com/genealogy-familyhistories-more.html for more information about this family and their connection to Annapolis Co. Nova Scotia.

posted by Nina Pyne

Richard is 12 degrees from Laurie Giffin, 30 degrees from Toni Morrison and 11 degrees from Henry VIII of England on our single family tree. Login to find your connection.