no image
Privacy Level: Open (White)

Gerberge (Moselle) of Nuestria (abt. 0583)

Gerberge of Nuestria formerly Moselle aka de Moselle, d'Alsace, von Schelde
Born about in Moselle, Lorraine, Francemap
Ancestors ancestors
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Wife of — married [date unknown] in Francemap [uncertain]
Descendants descendants
Died [date unknown] in Bas-Rhin, Alsace, Francemap
Profile last modified | Created 27 Jun 2011 | Last significant change: 28 Jan 2021
15:22: Marty (Lenover) Acks edited the Marriage Data for Gerberge (Moselle) of Nuestria (abt.0583-). (Correct: 421 Hidden marriage on public or open profiles) [Thank Marty for this]
This page has been accessed 2,226 times.

Contents

Biography

Name and Parents

Gerberge [1] Settipani refers to a Gerberge as a possible daughter of Gertrude d'Hamage, and the mother of Adalbald and Erchinoald. [2]

  • Gariburga; Gerberta, daughter of Gertrude and mother of Erchinoald and Bertrude (d. 618-19) [3]

Yaniv Fox [3] identifies several contemporaneous persons named Gertrude and speculates as to whether they may be the same person as Gertrude de Hamage.

Birth Year Estimation

Assuming that Gertrude d'Hamage is the mother of Gerberge, Gertrude was born about 560. One may estimate her marriage year as say, 580; one may estimate her first child born the following year, 581, and the second, Gerberge, born two years later, say, 583. These estimates are speculative and useful only for placing persons in the proper time period.

Gerberge, in turn, born, say 583, may be estimated to marry in 603, with her children born the following year.

Some popular genealogies place her birth in 546 in Moselle, France. This would make her a contemporary of her mother and gives no explanation about the location. [4]

Siblings

Of three children identified as the children of Gertrude and Richomer, Gerberge appears to be the middle child, preceded by a son and followed by a sister Bertrude:

  1. Son, born, say, 581. a son for whom the historian Jacques Pycke proposes the name of Richomer[5] but according to Settipani, this second Richomer is the result of an error having split a single character.[6]
  2. Gerberge, born, say, 583, a daughter, mother of: [2] Estimate her year of marriage as 603 and her children born the folloowing year:
  3. Bertrude, born, say, 585. Probably a daughter, Bertrude, married to King Clotaire II and mother of Dagobert I, king of the Franks. [7][8]

Marriage

She is currently shown with two husbands:

  1. Desire S Grandson, born Dijon, 540. [4]
  2. Aega (Guelph) of Neustria, no birth year, born Lorraine. [4]

Issue

Note: Severe disagreement between Settipani/Wikipedia and Cawley. Should affect links.

Cawley [9] cites conflicting sources regarding the parents of Adalbald and his siblings, and states that it is impossible to determine which is fact and which fiction. One alternative set of parents is Ansbertus (Ansberto Duci nobili in Germania) and his wife Bilichildis. These had previously been linked as parents of Gerberge, and have been delinked.

Cawley identifies another possibility concerning the parentage of in the Adabald provided by the Vita S. Rictrudis which names “Gerberta…filia sanctæ Gertrudis” as the mother of “Adabaldus Dux”. The Vita S. Amati also names “sancta Gertrudis” as “beati Adalbaldi avia”. [9] While Cawley dismisses all the alternatives equally, the latter is the alternative supported by Settipani.

Settipani identifies two children of Gerberge, Adalbald and Erchinoald. [2] Cawley adds a third child, Sigebert. [9]

  1. Adalbald [2]

Duke. The Chronico Marcianensi de Sancta Rictrude records that “Adabaldus Dux” was dux in Gascony, after the death of Charibert II King of the Franks in Gascony (dated elsewhere to 631) [9]. The Vita S. Rictrudis records that “Adabaldus Dux” held possessions in “pago Austrebatensi” [9] He married to St. Rictrude, Abbess of Marchiennes and father of Mauront, St. Eusebian, Clodsinde and Adalsinde. [10] It is not known who the parents of Rictrudis were. [9] The Chronico Marcianensi de Sancta Rictrude records that “Adabaldus Dux” married “matrona Rictrudis…ex generosa Wasconum prosapia (Regium stemma, ac Senatorum genus optimum)”. The Vita S. Rictrudis records that “Adabaldus Dux” married “Rictrudis”. [9] Adabald & his wife had four children: ## Maurontus. The Chronico Marcianensi de Sancta Rictrude names “filium Maurontum et tres filias Virgines…Closendem, Eusebiam et Adalsendem” as the children of “Adabaldus Dux” & his wife, adding that Maurontus was “S. Richarius Pontivensis pater spiritualis”. [9]

    1. Closendis. The Chronico Marcianensi de Sancta Rictrude names “filium Maurontum et tres filias Virgines…Closendem, Eusebiam et Adalsendem” as the children of “Adabaldus Dux” & his wife. [9]
    2. Eusebiac. The Chronico Marcianensi de Sancta Rictrude names “filium Maurontum et tres filias Virgines…Closendem, Eusebiam et Adalsendem” as the children of “Adabaldus Dux” & his wife. [9]
    3. Adalsendis. The Chronico Marcianensi de Sancta Rictrude names “filium Maurontum et tres filias Virgines…Closendem, Eusebiam et Adalsendem” as the children of “Adabaldus Dux” & his wife. [9]
  1. Erchinoald, born, say, 606. (Currently shown born Moselle, 641. [4]) Settipani [2] places him as a son of Gertrudis. Cawley, however, cites the Chronico Marcianensi de Sancta Rictrude names “Adabaldus Dux, et fratres eius Herchenaldus Major-domus Occidentalis Franciæ et Sigebertus Comes” as the sons of “Ansberto Duci nobili in Germania” & his wife. [9] Mayor of the palace of Neustria [11] Died 657/658. [9]
  2. Siegbert. Not named by Settipani. [2] Cawley cites the

Chronico Marcianensi de Sancta Rictrude which names “Adabaldus Dux, et fratres eius Herchenaldus Major-domus Occidentalis Franciæ et Sigebertus Comes” as the sons of “Ansberto Duci nobili in Germania” & his wife. [9]

Research Notes

Duplicate Mothers on WikiTree

It is likely that research will reveal the following, all married to Ricomer Orleans to be the same person.

  1. Gertrudis (Bayern) Bourgogne, born 560
  2. Gertrude (Franconia) de Bourgogne born Franconia, Germany, 563
  3. Gertrudis (De Hamage) Bourgogne, born Hamage, Franconia, Germany, 560.

Fictional Pedigree

Collins in his largely fictional pedigree shows Gertrudis as a daughter of Ansbertus, Duke on the Moselle, and mother of Gerberga, wife of Ega, a Major Domus in France in the time of King Dagobert. [12]

The House of Guelph were descended from Ega, a Major Domus in France in the time of King Dagobert I who died A. D. 646 He married Gerberga, daughter of Richemeres Duke of Franconia, by Gertrudis, daughter of Ansbertus, Duke on the Moselle, who died A.D. 570, and was son of Vanbertus, Duke on the Moselle, who died A.D. 528, son of Albero, Duke on the Moselle, who died A.D. 4Q1, son or grandson of Pharamond, Duke of the East Franks, who died A. D. 470, and was grandfather to Merovaeus, ancestor to the ^Merovingian Kings of France. [12]

French provides an alternate ancestry, also fictional. [13]

Sources

  1. Wikipedia (French) Gertrude d'Hamage Accessed July 23, 2018 jhd
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 Christian Settipani, Les Ancêtres de Charlemagne, Paris, 1989, 170 p. (ISBN 2-906483-28-1) page 109. Cited by Wikipedia (French Language). Gertrude d'Hamage Accessed July 21, 2018 jhd
  3. 3.0 3.1 Yaniv Fox. Power and Religion in Merovingian Gaul: Columbanian Monasticism and the Frankish Elites, (pp. 125-126). Cambridge University Press, 2014. Google Books; citing Vita Rictrudis, (10th century)page125-126 Accessed July 21, 2018 jhd
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 WikiTree Data Field, Not otherwise sourced
  5. J. Pycke, « Gertrude de Hamay (sainte) » dans Dictionnaire d'histoire et de géographie ecclésiastiques, vol. XX. (Gatianensis - Giry), Paris, Librairie Letouzey et Ané, 1984 (ISBN 2-7063-0157-0) , col. 1062-3. Cited by Wikipedia (French Language). Gertrude d'Hamage Accessed July 21, 2018 jhd
  6. Christian Settipani, Les Ancêtres de Charlemagne, Paris, 1989, 170 p. (ISBN 2-906483-28-1) page 108. Cited by Wikipedia (French Language). Gertrude d'Hamage Accessed July 21, 2018 jhd
  7. La Chronique de Frédégaire précise qu'il est cousin de Dagobert Ier par la mère de ce dernier. Cited by Wikipedia (French Language). Gertrude d'Hamage Accessed July 21, 2018 jhd
  8. Christian Settipani, Les Ancêtres de Charlemagne, Paris, 1989, 170 p. (ISBN 2-906483-28-1) pages 92-93. Cited by Wikipedia (French Language). Gertrude d'Hamage Accessed July 21, 2018 jhd
  9. 9.00 9.01 9.02 9.03 9.04 9.05 9.06 9.07 9.08 9.09 9.10 9.11 9.12 9.13 Charles Cawley, Foundation for Medieval Genealogy. Medieval Lands Database. Franks Maiordomi Accessed July 23, 2018 jhd
  10. According to the Vita Rectrudis, dating from the early tenth century. Cited by Wikipedia (French Language). Gertrude d'Hamage Accessed July 21, 2018 jhd
  11. According to the Chronologium Marchianensis (twelfth century) which specifies that Erchinoald was brother of Adalbald. Cited by Wikipedia (French Language). Gertrude d'Hamage Accessed July 21, 2018 jhd
  12. 12.0 12.1 Collings, A. & Brydges, E. (1812). Collins's Peerage of England: Genealogical, Biographical, and Historical, Volume 1.Page 8, modern print edition or Page 8, original print edition
  13. French, G.R. (1841). The Ancestry of Her Majesty Queen Victoria: And of His Royal Highness Prince Albert. GB: Pickering.Weldelphus

Other References to Consult

  • Hucbald, (10th century). Vita S. Rictrudis[1][2]
  • Vita S. Amati Episcopi Senonensis[3][4]

References to Reject

  • BAD SOURCES -- DO NOT USE!:
  1. Collings, A. & Brydges, E. (1812). Collins's Peerage of England: Genealogical, Biographical, and Historical, Volume 1.[5][6]
  2. French, G.R. (1841). The Ancestry of Her Majesty Queen Victoria: And of His Royal Highness Prince Albert. GB: Pickering.[7]
  3. Chronico Marcianensi de Sancta Rictrude[8]
  4. Carmen de Exordio Gentis Francorum[9]


More Genealogy Tools



Sponsored Search




Is Gerberge your ancestor? Please don't go away!
 star icon Login to collaborate or comment, or
 star icon contact private message private message a profile manager, or
 star icon ask our community of genealogists a question.
Sponsored Search by Ancestry.com

DNA
No known carriers of Gerberge's DNA have taken a DNA test.

Have you taken a DNA test? If so, login to add it. If not, see our friends at Ancestry DNA.

Sponsored by Ancestry ®

Family History Search.

Simplified.

Enter a grandparent's name. Just one grandparent can lead you to many discoveries.

Comments: 1

Leave a message for others who see this profile.
There are no comments yet.
Login to post a comment.
NOTES: This profile is based on a lot of speculation, due to the unreliability and contridication between early Medieval sources, including:[1]
  • identity
  • parents
  • alleged children
posted by Bree Ogle

M  >  Moselle  |  O  >  of Nuestria  >  Gerberge (Moselle) of Nuestria

Categories: European Aristocrats, Unsourced Profiles | EuroAristo - Profiles that need work | House of Welf