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White Owl Moytoy (1680 - 1741)

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Raven White Owl Moytoy
Born in Cherokee, Washington, Southwest Territory, United Statesmap
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Died in Cherokee, Choctaw, Alabama, United Statesmap
Moytoy-174 created 23 Jul 2015 | Last modified
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White Owl Moytoy was a Native American and member of the Cherokee tribe.
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White Owl Raven who was a captive Algonquin,and who was adopted into the clan, and raised by another Cherokee Woman named Nancy.

White Owl Raven was born in 1679. White Owl Raven Moytoy lV Carpenter ... He passed away in 1741.

White Owl Raven was an Algonguin Infant when captured, He was adopted by the Cherokee Tribe and was raised by Woman Nancy,and was of another clan,could have been Paint Clan, which allowed him to marry Nancy Moytoy of the Wolf Clan,as People of the same clan are forbidden to marry by Cherokee Law. Later he was adopted by a man called Trader Tom Watts.,who was the friend and business partner of Thomas Pasmere Carpenter, He married Nanye Hi Nancy Moytoy II, This story by Old Frontiers, by John Brown and by Emmett Starr's history of the Cherokee. [1]



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On 23 Jul 2015 at 11:38 GMT K (Parks) F wrote:

White Owl needs to be resolved. He can't be both a son of Moytoy I and the husband of Nancy, Moytoy's daughter. Adopted or not, he cannot marry his sister, so one of them is wrong. Only one source, Norton's 'Journal' which was written in the 1800's, says that he was an adopted Algonquin. Neither Brown nor Starr says anything about him. The 'Journal of Cherokee Studies' says in the bio of Attakullakulla "Nothing is known of his mother except that she was a sister of Old Hop.... Of his father, we know only that he was a chief...." Winter, 1978 p. 3 Based on this, which confirms 'Nancy's' family, he should be detached, with parents unknown

On 11 Jul 2015 at 05:55 GMT Paula J wrote:

There is disagreement regarding disconnecting White Owl Raven. I am contacting Cheeokee historians to assist us with the Moytoy profiles. Thanks for your patience.

On 10 Jul 2015 at 16:30 GMT K (Parks) F wrote:

No objections here. White Owl (Raven is a title) cannot be the brother of Old Hop and 'Nancy,' Attakullakulla's mother. You cannot marry within your clan and the Cherokee therefore could not marry a sibling. The source which claims White Owl was adopted [Norton's 'Journal'] was written in 1809 well after the event.

On 10 Jul 2015 at 15:22 GMT Paula J wrote:

Most sources report that White Owl Raven was adopted by the Cherokee tribe at one point and was not the biological child of these parents. Consistent with WikiTree standards, adopted children are not connected to the adoptive parents as biological children.

I propose that we disconnect White Owl Raven from Chief Amatoya Moytoy and Quatsy of Tellico.

Are there any objections to this?

Thank you,


On 9 Jul 2015 at 01:22 GMT K (Parks) F wrote:

Neither Brown nor Starr include any of this information. Brown says that Attakullakulla was known as White Owl in his youth. Starr makes no mention of Attakullakulla's family or youth.

On 22 May 2015 at 23:48 GMT M (McQueen) M wrote:

Moytoy lV Carpenter-1 and Carpenter-4852 appear to represent the same person because: Same person

White Owl is 19 degrees from Kevin Bacon, 23 degrees from Robynne Lozier, 5 degrees from Pocahontas Rolfe and 16 degrees from Queen Elizabeth II Windsor on our single family tree. Login to find your connection.

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