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Auria (Muza) de Pamplona (abt. 838 - aft. 906)

Auria (Auria bint Muza) de Pamplona formerly Muza aka ibn Lope ibn Musa, ben Muza, de Navarra
Born about in Navarra, Spainmap
Ancestors ancestors
Daughter of and
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died after after about age 68 in Pamplona, Navarra, Spainmap
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Profile last modified | Created 20 Apr 2012
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Contents

Biography

  • Auria [1]
  • Also known as Oria [1]

Birth and Parentage

She is known from a single historical source, the Roda Codex, which only gives her name and not her parentage. Historian and professor Antonio Rei has put forward the hypothesis that she could have been the granddaughter of Musa ibn Musa ibn Qasi, [2] while genealogist Christian Settipani suggested this and two other alternatives when addressing her possible parentage. [3]

Birth Year Estimation

Popular genealogies have her born about 838 and died after 806. [1] Wikipedia, without further source, has only the death date of her husband -- 922. He began to reign in 882. His birth year is unknown. For the purpose of estimation, make him aged 40 when he began to reign, therefore born 842. This would make him 80 at his death.

Assuming this was a first marriage for Auria, make her aged 18 and her husband 21 at their marriage. Assuming her husband's birth as 842, her birth year would be 845.

This makes the birth year 838 somewhat credible, so it is retained. The 806 death year, if originally accurate, was probably 906, when she would have been 68.

She has a child born in 855. Given a birth year of 838, she would have been 17 at the time, not unreasonable.

Marriage

Auria was an early Queen consort of Pamplona. [1]

She married King Fortún Garcés of Pamplona, [4] who died in 922. [1]

Issue

These are the children of Auria and Fortún:

  1. Íñigo Fortúnez [5]
  2. Aznar Fortúnez [5]
  3. Velasco Fortúnez[5]
  4. Lope Fortúnez[5]
  5. Onneca Fortúnez[5]

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 Wikipedia. "Auria" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auria. Accessed April 20, 2017. jhd
  2. Rei 2011/2012, pp. 44–45. Cited by Wikipedia.
  3. Settipani, Christian (2004). La noblesse du midi carolingien: études sur quelques grandes familles d’Aquitaine et du Languedoc du IXe siècle (in French). Oxford Univ. Unit for Prosopographical Research. ISBN 9781900934046. p. 116. Cited in Wikipedia.
  4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort%C3%BAn_Garc%C3%A9s_of_Pamplona
  5. 5.0 5.1 5.2 5.3 5.4 Cañada Juste, Alberto (2013). "Doña Onneca, una princesa vascona en la corte de los emires cordobeses" (PDF). Príncipe de Viana (in Spanish) (258). p. 482. Cited by Wikipedia.

See also:

  • Aguado Bleye, Pedro; Alcazar Molina, Cayetano Prehistoria, edades antigua y media.
  • Collins, Roger (2012). Caliphs and Kings: Spain, 796-1031. Blackwell publishing.
  • Pamplona: Institución Príncipe de Viana. pp. 481–502. ISSN 0032-8472.

Acknowledgment

This person was created through the import of Acrossthepond.ged on 21 February 2011.





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Bint Ibn Musa Banu Qasi-1 and Muza-1 appear to represent the same person because: intended to be the same person
posted by Robin Lee
Settipani postulates no fewer than FOUR distinct women in this family all called Aurea. Zero of them with the parents we currently have connected.

While my French isn't fluent enough to grok all the details of his prose, it's clear a) he's not sure; and b) the Aurea who m. Fortun Garces and had Onneca may NOT be descended from Musa (or any Muslim whatsoever) but rather from his brother-in-law Garcia 'the Bad’ and; c) none of the three plausible scenarios he presents are what we're publishing to the world as fact.

It also appears we are relying on an (uncredited) descent suggested by J. Perez de Urbel, making this Aurea the daughter of Lubb by Ayab, thus grand-daughter of Musa ibn Musa, which Settipani politely demolishes on page 113 here:

https://books.google.fr/books?id=1tho6B1mUGMC&lpg=PP1&hl=fr&pg=PA113

posted by Isaac Taylor
This profile appears to conflate the two different women named Auria in this extended family.

It's my understanding this one, i.e. the daughter of Lubb by Ayab, is the NIECE of the other Auria, who m. Fortun Garces and whose children include Onneca Fortunez.

Put another way, the currently-connected parents of this profile ought to be the uncle (and aunt) of the currently-connected children of this profile. Not the grandparents.

Q: what are the other ideas Christian Settapini suggests?

posted by Isaac Taylor
This biography plagiarizes from Wikipedia:

"She is known from a single historical source, the Roda Codex, which only gives her name and not her parentage. Historian and professor Antonio Rei has put forward the hypothesis that she could have been the granddaughter of Musa ibn Musa ibn Qasi, [2] while genealogist Christian Settipani suggested this and two other alternatives when addressing her possible parentage. [3]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auria

"She is known from a single historical source, the Códice de Roda, which only gives her name and not her parentage. Historian and professor Antonio Rei has put forward the hypothesis that she could have been the granddaughter of Musa ibn Musa ibn Qasi,[1] while genealogist Christian Settipani suggested this and two other alternatives when addressing her possible parentage.[2]"

This is not OK.

posted by Isaac Taylor
Birthdate is only 10 years before her daughter.

Can we please use facts, and if we don't have them, not guess? If we don't know, then we don't know.

posted by Isaac Taylor
UNKNOWN-50563 and Muza-1 appear to represent the same person because: oria is an alternate spelling of auria and have same husband and daughter
posted by Katy Brecht
The date of death should be later than the date of birth.
posted by Bill Lacey
Can one of the profile managers take a look at this profile? The dates need some work
posted by Robin Lee

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