Ralph (Neville) de Neville (abt. 1050 - aft. 1086)

Born about 1050 in Neuville sur Tonque, Orne, France

Descendants

Died after 1086 after about age 36 in Lincolnshire, England

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NOTES:

• Neville-2060 has been disconnected as father. Please do not re-connect without new discussion first. He existed in France, but there is no evidence to link him to any English family.
• Neville-1439 is often mentioned as a possible close relative, for example brother.

Biography

Note: The Complete Peerage does not say that Ralph of Scotton was a brother of Gilbert de Neville of Walcot. However many people believe that he was, and the below "observations" imply some relation between the families.

Complete Peerage presents the first records of this family as a group of Ralph's although the distinction between them is apparently not clear...

Observations.——It has been customary to derive Neville of Essex from the Ralph who held Scotton (as corrected by later returns) and Manton, Lincs, in 1086 from the Abbot of Peterborough.(Domesday Boole,vol. i, pp. 345, 346; Lindsey Survey, Linc. Rec.,Soc., p. 243; Round, Feudal England, pp. 166, 167.) The direct male line of Scotton outlived that of Walcot, but no member of the Scotton family was summoned to Parl. Very briefly, as far as evidence has been found for the purpose of this article, the descent of Scotton to the end of the 13th century was :—

• RALPH, who in 1086 held Scotton (see above) and Manton of Peterborough, and possibly Habrough, &c.,from Alfred of Lincoln.(Domesday Book, vol. i, pp. 345, 346, 357, 376.)
• RALPH DE NEVILLE,who [1100-1120] held 10 carucates in Lincs from Peterborough,(Feudal England, loc. cit.) and, about 1114, witnessed the foundation charter of Bridlington Priory by Walter de Gand.(Dugdale, Mon., vol. vi, p. 286.)
• RALPH DE NEVILLE, who had from Walter de Gand (d. 1139) lands in Fordon, Filey, Muston and Righton (which the Countess Alice confirmed to his son Geoffrey);(Farrer, Early Yorks Charters, vol. ii, no. 1174.) which Ralph, with consent of his wife Hawise and s. and h. ap. Geoffrey, made to Rievaulx Abbey a grant of land in Righton, in the Gand fee of Hunmanby, which was confirmed by Gilbert de Gand;(Cart. Rievall., Surtees Soc., pp. 47, 4.8.) and, for the soul of his wife Avice, with consent of his s. and h. Geoffrey, gave land in Filey to Bridlington Priory.(Early Yorks Charters, vol. ii, no. 1175.) Ralph de Neville founded, before 1162,a priory at Hutton Rudby, Yorks, upon the liberum maritagium of his wife, with consent of Adam de Brus, the overlord, and of Arnold de Percy, to whom the service upon her portion was due.(Dugdale, Mon., vol. v, p. 508.) He m. Hawise or Avice, sister of Arnold and Robert de Percy.(Rot. Cur. Regis, Ric. I, Pipe Roll Soc., p. 21.)

Concerning the first record, in Domesday Book in 1086, but with no surname in the main text, J.H. Round writes that:

The name of Ralf de Nevilla occurs in full in the Lincolnshire 'Clamores' (i. 376b), annihilating the old assertion that this famous surname is nowhere found in Domesday.

He also notes the remark recorded by the chronicler of Peterborough, Hugh Candidus:

Heres Radulfi de Nevile tenet decem carrucatas terra: in Lincolnshire, scilicet in Scottone Malmetone; et in Norhamtonscire unam hidam et dimidiam, scilicet in Holme, Rayniltorp, et inde facit plenum servitium triumilitum (p. 55).

Round concludes:

It is, then, Ralf de Nevile that we have in that 'Radulfus homo Abbatis', who held of him at 'Mameltune', and 'Rageneltorp' with 'Holm' in Domesday (i. 3456, 346) - Manton, with Raventhorpe and Holme (near Bottesford, co. Lint.) - for Hugh, of course, has blundered in placing the two latter places in Northamptonshire.

Sources

• Cockayne et al, Complete Peerage 2nd ed, Vol.9, p.476
• Round, Feudal England, pp.137-8

Also see

• The Phillips, Weber, Kirk, & Staggs families of the Pacific Northwest, by Jim Weber, Rootsweb.com

• http://stanleyhistory.net/gendata-o/p7847.htm

Acknowledgments

Ang Saxberg