Ralph (Neville) de Neville KG PC

Ralph (Neville) de Neville KG PC (abt. 1364 - 1425)

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Sir Ralph "1st Earl of Westmorland, 4th Baron Neville de Raby" de Neville KG PC formerly Neville
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Biography

Ralph (Neville) de Neville KG PC was a member of aristocracy in England.

Ralph de Neville, K.G. (b. ante 1364, Westmorland - d. 21 Oct 1425 Raby Castle, Durham; bur. Collegiate Church of Staindrop, Durham).[1][2][3]

Ralph was the son of John Neville and Maud Percy. They had two sons and five daughters.[4][5] He married twice and had 23 children that included 4 peers, 3 duchesses and 4 more daughters who became wives of lesser peers. Of the duchesses, his daughter Cecily was the mother of two kings.[6]

Between 1450 and 1455 at least 13 members of the family had seats in the House of Lords. It started fights, even within the family. Rivalry between its two branches grew out of a dispute over family estates, then spilled into a power struggle over dynastic loyalties as a prelude to the Wars of the Roses. The animosity between the Nevilles only made it worse. The 1st Marquess of on Montagu one side. And Percys on the other.[6]

Siblings

biological siblings (same parents)[5]

  • Alice Neville
  • Eleanor Neville
  • Thomas Neville
  • Idoine (Idina, Iolande) Neville
  • Maud (Matilda) Neville
  • Elizabeth Neville

half siblings (same father, mother John Neville's second wife Elizabeth Latimer)[5]

  • John Neville, 6th Lord Latimer
  • Elizabeth Neville

step-siblings (child of step-mother Elizabeth and her second husband Sir Robert de Willoughby)[5]

  • Margaret Willoughby

First Marriage

Ralph first married Margaret Stafford[7][4] (d. 9 June 1396), eldest dau. of Hugh Stafford, 2nd Earl of Stafford, and Philippa Beauchamp, dau. of Thomas Beauchamp, 11th Earl of Warwick and Katherine Mortimer, dau. of Roger Mortimer, 1st Earl of March.[8] Their children are:[9]

m. Peter de Mauley, 5th Baron Mauley.[8]
m.1 Sir Thomas Grey (d. 02 Aug 1415 beheaded for role in Southampton Plot)
m.2 Sir Gilbert Lancaster.[8]
  • Phillippa,[10] "Lady Phillippe" (d. bt 8 Jul 1453 - 5 Jan 1458);[11]
m. (bef. 20 Jul 1399) Thomas Dacre, 6th Baron Dacre of Gilsland (d. 5 Jan 1458).[8]
  • John,[10] Knt.,[4] Lord Neville (b. 1387 - d. b 20 May 1420),[11]
m. Elizabeth Holland, fifth daughter of Thomas Holland, 2nd Earl of Kent, and Alice FitzAlan. Issue: 3 sons, 1 dau - Ralph Neville, 2nd Earl of Westmorland, John Neville, Baron Neville, and Sir Thomas Neville, and Margaret Neville.[8]
m. (bef. 1411) his stepsister Mary Ferrers, dau. of Robert Ferrers, 2nd Baron Ferrers, and Joan Beaufort.[8]
  • Anne[10] (b. circa 1384)
m. (bef. 03 Feb 1413) Sir Gilbert Umfraville (d. 22 Mar 1421 slain at Battle of Baugé in Anjou), son of Sir Thomas Umfreville (d. 12 February 1391) and Agnes Grey (d. 25 Oct 1420), dau. of Sir Thomas Grey of Heaton (d. bef. 22 Oct 1369).[8]
  • Margaret,[10] (d. bt 4 Mar 1464 - 3 Mar 1465[11]), (d. 1463/4[8])
m.1 (bef. 31 Dec 1413) Richard Scrope, 3rd Baron Scrope of Bolton
m.2 William Cressener, esq.[8]

and possibly (not cited in Richardson):

Second Marriage

Ralph married his second wife Joan Beaufort (d. 13 Nov 1440 Howden, Yorkshire; bur. Lincoln Cathedral with her mother),[14] some time before 29 November 1396[4] at Château de Beaufort, Maine-et-Loire, Anjou.[8][15] Her parents were John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster and his mistress and later third wife, Katherine Swynford.

Joan was also the widow of Robert Ferrers, 2nd Baron Ferrers.[10][8] They married before 30 September 1390 and had two daughters: Elizabeth and Mary Ferrers.[14]

Joan had nine sons and five daughters with Ralph Neville.[4][8][16] Their children are:

  • Catherine[10] (b. c 1397, d. a 1483).[11]
m.1 John Mowbray, 2nd Duke of Norfolk, 12 Jan 1411
m.2 Sir Thomas Strangways
m.3 John Beaumont, 1st Viscount Beaumont
m.4 Sir John Woodville (d. 12 Aug 1469)[8] (Wydeville)[4]
  • Richard,[10]K.G.,[4] 5th Earl of Salisbury (b. 1400, d. 31 Dec 1460).[11]
m. Alice Montacute, 5th Countess of Salisbury -- mother of Richard Neville, 16th Earl of Warwick (1428–1471), 'The Kingmaker'.[8]
m. Elizabeth Beauchamp[4]
  • William,[10], Knt., 1st and last Earl of Kent (d. 9 Jan 1462/63),[11] Lord Fauconberge
m. Joan Fauconberge[4]
  • Henry (d.s.p) [10]
  • Thomas (d.s.p).[10]
m.1 Humphrey Stafford, 1st Duke of Buckingham
m.2 Walter Blount, 1st Baron Mountjoy.[8]
  • Cuthbert (d.s.p).[10]
m.1 Richard le Despencer, 4th Baron Burghersh
m.2 Henry Percy, 2nd Earl of Northumberland.[8]
  • Robert[10](b. c 1404, d. 8 Jul 1457 or 9 Jul 1457)[11] Bishop of Salisbury and Durham.[8]
  • Cecily[10] (b. 3 May 1415, d. 31 May 1495),[11] mother of Edward IV and Richard III
m. Richard, 3rd Duke of York.[8]
m.1 Elizabeth Beauchamp
m.2 Katherine Howard[4]

Titles

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Ralph de Neville, 1st Earl of Westmoreland
29 Sep 1394 - 21 Oct 1425
Successor
Ralph de Neville, 2nd Earl of Westmoreland
  • 29 Sep 1397: 1st Earl of Westmoreland[17]
  • 9 Sep 29 1397: K.G..[17][18]
  • 4th Baron Neville of Raby[19]
  • 6th Baron Neville of Raby[18]

Occupation

  • 06 Dec 1389 - Nov 30, 1396: Summoned to Parliament.[20]
  • 1399: Marshall (later co-Regent) of England[21]
  • Constable of the Tower of London[20]
  • In the lifetime of his father (9th Richard II), he was joined with Thomas Clifford, son of Lord Clifford, and appointed a commissionership for guardianship of the West Marches. Three years after this he succeeded to the title, and two years later he was a commissioner appointed to treat with the Kings of France and Scotland, touching a truce made by them with the King of England.[20]
  • 21st Richard II [1378]: constable of the Tower of London and shortly after advanced to Earl of Westmoreland. Privy council to King Richard; active in raising Henry of Lancaster to throne, and was rewarded in first year of his reign with a grant of the county and honor of Richmond for life, and the office of Earl Marshal of England; soon after resisted Earl of Northumberland rebellion and forced Percies to fall back on Prudhoe when Shrewsbury ensued; afterwards gov. of town and castle of Carlisle, warden of West Marches towards Scotland, and gov. of Roxborough.[22]

Burial

  • St Mary's -- South West corner large alabaster tomb of Ralph Neville, 1st Earl of Westmorland (d. 1425), and his two wives: Margaret Stafford, dau. of Hugh, Earl of Stafford, and Joan Beaufort, dau. of John of Gaunt and half sister of Henry IV.[3] NOTE: According to Richardson, his second wife was buried with her mother in Lincoln Cathedral.[4]

Lineage to Magna Carta Surety

The following information has been provided by Bob Kenistion of the Magna Carta Project:
John FitzRobert MCS is the father of
Roger FitzJohn of Clavering is the father of
Robert FitzRoger of Clavering is the father of
Eupheme (Clavering) Neville is the mother of
Ralph de Neville is the father of
John de Neville KG is the father of
Ralph de Neville KG

Fictional Characters

  • Ralph was not in the Agincourt campaign, notwithstanding Shakespeare, but remained in England protecting the northern marches.[23]

Sources

  1. Weis, F. (1999). Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th ed, pp. 10-33.
  2. Lewis, 2014.[1]
  3. 3.0 3.1 see also St. Mary's Church, Staindrop.[2]
  4. 4.00 4.01 4.02 4.03 4.04 4.05 4.06 4.07 4.08 4.09 4.10 4.11 4.12 4.13 4.14 Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol IV, p 233-7, NEVILLE #13
  5. 5.0 5.1 5.2 5.3 Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, Royal Ancestry series, 2nd edition, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2011), Vol III, p 246-9.
  6. 6.0 6.1 6.2 Burke.
  7. dau. Hugh, Earl of Stafford; Papal dispensation from Pope Urban V. Consanguinity, (Burke, 1866, p. 394).[3]
  8. 8.00 8.01 8.02 8.03 8.04 8.05 8.06 8.07 8.08 8.09 8.10 8.11 8.12 8.13 8.14 8.15 8.16 8.17 8.18 8.19 8.20 8.21 Wikipedia: Ralph Neville, 1st Earl of Westmoreland
  9. Issue: 9, (Burke, 1866, p. 394)[4]; Issue: 2 sons; 6 dau, (Wikipedia)
  10. 10.00 10.01 10.02 10.03 10.04 10.05 10.06 10.07 10.08 10.09 10.10 10.11 10.12 10.13 10.14 10.15 10.16 10.17 10.18 10.19 10.20 Burke, 1866, p. 394.[5]
  11. 11.00 11.01 11.02 11.03 11.04 11.05 11.06 11.07 11.08 11.09 11.10 11.11 11.12 11.13 11.14 Lundy, D. Ralph de Neville, 1st Earl of Westmoreland. The Peerage. Web.[6]
  12. Testamenta eboracensia; or, Wills registered at York, illustrative of the history, manners, language, statistics, &c., of the province of York, from the year 1300 downwards by York (England); Raine, James, 1791-1858, ed. cn; Clay, John William, 1838-1918, ed; Raine, James, 1830-1896, ed - Testamentum Matildis Dominae de Malolacu. Archive.org. eBook.[7]
  13. Darryl Lundy, 2018 thepeerage.com citing Mosley, Charles, editor. Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 106th edition, 2 volumes. Crans, Switzerland: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 1999. Vol 1, p 15.
  14. 14.0 14.1 Richardson's Magna Carta Ancestry (WEM #8)
  15. see also: Cokayne, G.E. (n.d.). The Complete Peerage, V:388-9, IV:7, VII:365, VIII:570
    "Neville, Ralph." DNB, I, pp. 937. Google Books.[8]
    DNB, 40, pp. 248-50, 273-7, 279-83, 300-1, 304-6, v58 p.25.
  16. Burke (1866), names 13 children, (p. 394).[9]
    "Kingmaker's" grandfather, 1st Earl of Westmorland settled about half the original Neville estates on children of his second marriage, whereas subsequent Earls of Westmorland were by his first. It thus came about that the 2nd-6th Earls of Westmorland were less well-endowed territoriality than their ancestors who had been mere barons. The preeminence of that branch of the family represented by the Earls of Salisbury/Warwick, who stemmed from the second marriage, was made correspondingly easier, (Burke, n.d.).[citation needed]
  17. 17.0 17.1 Plantagenet Ancestry, 2011, p. 610.[10]
  18. 18.0 18.1 6th Baron Neville of Raby, became K.G. and Earl Westmoreland Sep 29, 1397. As a Lancastrian, he opposed Richard II in 1399 and conveyed Richard's resignation to the convention. assisted coronation of Henry IV; member of council of regency appointed to rule during infancy of Henry V. Marriage to Joan Beaufort favorably affected Joan and Ralph's wealth and social prestige, making possible brilliant marriages for their children. In 1450, five of Ralph's sons, five sons-in-law and several grandsons were in Parliament, (Burke).[citation needed]
    see also: KGs (Heraldica list)
  19. Ralph de Nevill, 4th baron, summoned to parliament from 6 Dec 1389 to 30 Nov 1396, (Burke, 1866, p. 393).[11]
  20. 20.0 20.1 20.2 Burke, 1866, p. 393.[12]
  21. 1399: Marshall of England year he was created Earl of Richmond; member of Richards II's privy council, (Burke).
  22. Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, England, 1883, pp. 393-4, Nevill, Barons Nevill, of Raby, Earls of Westmoreland.
  23. "Ralph Neville, 1st earl of Westmorland." Encyclopedia Brittanica. Web.[13]

Source List

  • Burke, B. (1866). "Ralph de Nevill, 4th Baron," in a Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages of the British empire, pp. 393-394. Archive.org.[14]
  • Lewis, M. (2014, March 11). "Sir Ralph Neville, 1st Earl Westmoreland, 4th Baron Neville." ORTNCA. Web.[15] (citing: Magna Carta Ancestry; Plantagenet Ancestry; Royal Ancestry; Weis, F.L. (1999). The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215, 5th ed., pp. 11, 55. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co.).
  • Richardson, D. (2011). Plantagenet Ancestry, 2nd ed, pp. 610. Google Books.[16]
  • Richardson, D. (2011). Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families. Royal Ancestry series, 2nd edition, 4 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author), Vol. III, pp 246-249; Vol IV, p 313, WEM # 8. Robert Ferrers, Knt. RoyalAncestry.net
  • Richardson, D. (2013). Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families], 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham, (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol. IV, pp 233-237 (effigy/monument pictures pp 234-235). See also Vol. III, page 500 and Vol. V, page 340. RoyalAncestry.net

See also...

  • Cawley, C. (2006). "Ralph Neville." Medieval Lands v.4. Fmg.ac. Web.[17]
  • Mosley, Charles. (1999). Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th ed.
  • Gomme, G.L. (1891). The Gentleman's Magazine Library 1731-1868. Cambridge: The Riverside Press.
  • "Ralph Neville, Earl of Westmorland (1364-1425)." Luminarium. Web.[18]

Acknowledgements

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Ralph de Neville and his twelve children

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On 5 Apr 2019 at 17:05 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

found two of his Gateway connections - Peyton-434 & Lunsford-515 (both trails reviewed/approved by the Magna Carta Project in 2015. See Base Camp.

On 20 Feb 2018 at 19:47 GMT Bree Ogle wrote:

Did some more hunting and found a very intriguing piece of info. During the reign of Hen. VI (15th century), a manuscript (now called the pedigree of "Tailbois and Neville") appears. In it, we see an early appearance of the name "Anastasia," who is listed as a dau. of Ranulph, Baron Neville of Raby (by writ in 1295) and Eupheme (Euphemia). So the name IMHO is a bit sketchy, given the late date of the claim. But for our research purposes ... see the screenshot I uploaded onto the corresponding profile.[1]

On 20 Feb 2018 at 18:04 GMT Bree Ogle wrote:

I found a copy of the old Burke citations on Rootsweb,[1] but it looks like they were taken from this page. ... BTW, just emailed Doug and told him that Magna Carta should not stress out over my very old edits (c. 2014) ... like how this page used to be. The earliest of my edits tried very hard to consolidate merges in a way that amounted to overkill. If something needs to be axed, just do it:)

On 20 Feb 2018 at 00:14 GMT Bree Ogle wrote:

I think the 1833 copy of Burke has quite a few mistakes. I've run into them with other families and I'm thinking it might have something to do with non-existent dau. "Anastasia' (just a wild guess). The 1866 copy only names 2 dau. as Anne.[1] ... But then we get to Mosley (1999) edition and Anastasia pops up (per Lundy), along with the 2 standard Annes.[2]

On 17 Jan 2018 at 04:11 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

fyi - I added WikiTree-36 (the project account for Magna Carta project) to meet clarified guidelines - see https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/510196/explanation-removing-protection-profiles-project-accounts

Cheers, Liz

On 12 Jan 2018 at 17:30 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

oh cool! one of my favorite speeches :D

Thanks!

On 12 Jan 2018 at 15:51 GMT David Cordell wrote:

I guess that would be Henry V, with the famous band of brothers speech.

On 12 Jan 2018 at 15:36 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

Hi! I noticed that EditBot changed the name of a category: Shakespearean Characters

So I looked in the bio to find out which play. Didn't find that (and it should have been added when the category was added, in my opinion). BUT... I did find conflicting information. A statement with no source:

"Not on the Agincourt campaign, notwithstanding Shakespeare."

and a footnote that says he was:

"Burke: 1399: Marshall of England the year he was created Earl of Richmond. He was a member of Richards II's privy council, saw service at Agincourt on October 25, 1415 where Henry won a victory over the superior numbers of French owing to his superior generalship."

So my questions

  1. what Shakespeare play is he in?
  2. was he or was he not at Agincourt?

On 3 Dec 2017 at 20:09 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

p.s. This profile and others in the line that have the {{Magna Carta} project box will have the project account for WikiTree-36 added as a manager by EditBot later this month.

On 3 Dec 2017 at 20:00 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

update: it's good... I keep forgetting that Clavering-13 is FitzRobert

added needs= to project box because text names FitzRobert (from father) & that Descendant category isn't included. The entire line to Gateway Nelson-804 needs category check.

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