Ingram Nunn (abt. 1740 - 1784)

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Died 1784 at about age 44 in Henry, Virginia, United States

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Note to Researchers

There is nothing shown on this profile, or linked profiles, proving who Ingram Nunn's parents were. It has not been proven that his alleged father, Joseph Nunn, even married his alleged mother Elizabeth Ingram. No one presents any primary, or secondary, source for the claims. They only offer proof that a person named Elizabeth Ingram was born in Maryland, but not that she moved to Virginia and married anyone named Nunn.

Claims made in DAR applications aren't always true. Looking at what is available at the source below we find the following information, some obviously incorrect and some (details on Ingram's marriage) true:

9 DAR applications for Ingram Nunn are shown with 5 filed by descendants of his son William, 3 filed by descendants of his son Waters and 1 filed by a descendant of his daughter Elizabeth. All but 1 list his place of birth vacant. One lists him born in Henry County, Virginia, but that county didn’t exist at the time. This leads me to believe there is no proof of his birth place. All list his date of birth as “circa 1740” which indicates they have no document to prove when he was born and most were merely copying someone else's guesstimate. All list him dying "circa 1784” in Henry County Va. Unless there was a probated will, or other estate or guardianship records in Henry County, it’s uncertain how the death place was known. It could be an assumption based on Henry County being the last place where we have a record of him.

The DAR applications show they are based on “Patriotic Service” for supplying material to the cause. We don’t have the details on that, but it is doubtful that the personal information that might have come from a pension application would be found in documents requesting payment for materials supplied, or seized, by the military. All the DAR applications show his wife as Elizabeth Dunn and give their marriage date and place as 23 December 1773 in North Carolina. This claim is supported by the microfilmed marriage bond, which you can see using source #2 below.

Two applications had son Waters Nunn born on 1 - Jan - 1772 at Henry Co VA. This date, which I believe was contrived, was over a year before Ingram Nunn married Elizabeth Dunn, who the applications claim was his first (and only) wife. The date was also nearly 5 years before Henry Co VA. was created. Obviously, the 2nd applicant copied the first (don’t mess with what has gained DAR admission). The third had Waters born 1 - Jan - 1775 at Henry Co VA. Again, the date and place are probably guesses.

The 5 applications for son William Nunn show him born 1783 in Va. with no county given. The 1 application thru daughter Elizabeth (Nunn) Alexander shows her born 23 August 1781 in Henry County Va. We don’t know the source of that specific information. The specific date may indicate a family bible, but it is unlikely that would give a place of birth, so it's probably presumed.

The applicants claim for membership all showed “Service Source: ABERCROMBIE & SLATTEN, VA REV PUB CLAIMS, VOL 2, P 517. Service Description: 1) FURNISHED SUPPLIES. “ There is no indication that any record indicates who Ingram’s parents, or siblings, were from anything in the source for claims.

Separately, we know he had a close relative, Joseph Nunn, who appears with Ingram on his marriage bond and is probably the same Joseph Nunn who married a half year before Ingram and also in Guilford County N.C. And we know that a Thomas Nunn was in Henry County, Va with Ingram as they both appeared in the 1782 tax list with one poll each, and in the 1783 tax list. It is likely that both Joseph and Thomas Nunn were Ingram's brothers, but we don't know that.

At the same time Ingram Nunn was in Guilford County N.C., another group of Nunn's was in Orange County N.C. from which Guilford County was formed two years prior to his marriage. They were William Nunn (Nunn-915), his children and his nephew John Nunn (Nunn-278), who was of the same generation as Ingram. William and John were the son and grandson, respectively, of Francis Nunn I (Nunn-275) of Craven County N.C., whose parentage is unknown. It may be coincidence only that Ingram was at the same place in the early 1770s as the Craven County Nunn line.

However, if no proof exists (and unsourced pedigrees are no proof) to link Ingram Nunn to a Virginia Nunn line, an alternative hypothesis is he may have been from the Craven County Nunn line. Some evidence suggesting that alternative exists.

G. Pinson (Pinson-796) has autosomal DNA matches with at least 5 people claiming descent from Ingram Nunn. The matches are in the lower part of the 5th-8th cousin match range and judging from the the amount of shared dna measured in centimorgens look like 8th cousin matches. This predicts the matches share Most Recent Common Ancestors (MRCAs) around 7th great grandparents. Francis Nunn I (Nunn-275) is G. Pinson's 7th great grandgrandfather with great certainty.

G. Pinson's entire maternal branch is purely European, so would not be a source of an unknown match on a different line with the 5 people mentioned above. His paternal branch is well developed using many primary and secondary sources at each level on each branch, so it is unlikely he would have had a different match other than Nunn with the 5 people mentioned above. Still, combining that possibility with the possibility that some of the above five people could have erred in their genealogy means the autosomal DNA matches are no where near proof that Ingram is of the Craven County (Francis Nunn I) Nunn line.

The other possibility is there is a merging of the Craven County (Francis Nunn I) Nunn line and that of a Virginia Nunn line predating Francis Nunn I. However, the 8th-9th cousin level seems to be the most remote level shown on commercial testing sites like FTDNA.com and AncestryDNA where G. Pinson got his match results. It seems inconceivable based on my study on the subject and results with other lines, that the MRCA could be more remote than Francis Nunn I's father and even that is most unlikely.

I would like to hear from Ingram Nunn's descendants on their own distant Nunn matches using autosomal DNA. It would be interesting to see if they are matching issue of Francis Nunn I (Nunn-275) of Craven County N.C.

Given the total absence of proof of Ingram Nunn's parentage and siblings (only a Joseph Nunn is shown in records with him), and the presence of dna results indicating he might be of another Nunn line that lived in close proximity to him at the time of his marriage, I think he should be detached from said alleged parents and siblings unless proof of relationships can be shown. G. Pinson (Pinson-796) 6/26/2021

Timeline

(placed by G. Pinson (Pinson-796) on 6/25/2021)

• CIRCA 1740: Ingram Nunn claimed to have been born about this date with place unknown.
• 1767, June: PITTSYLVANIA County Va created from HALIFAX County Va.
• 1770-74: Craven County Nunn's in Orange County N.C.
• 1771: Guilford County N.C. created in 1771 from Rowan and Orange Counties N.C.
• 1773, 23 March: Joseph Nunn marriage bond to wed Nancy Mason in Guilford County N.C.
• 1773, 23 Dec: Ingram Nunn marriage bond to wed Elizabeth Dunn in Guilford County N.C. Joseph Nunn listed as Bondsman.
• 1776, Dec: Henry County Va formed from Pittsylvania County.
• 1780: No Nunn on the Henry County Va Special Tax List. Walters Dunn appears. (5)
• 1781, 23 August: Claimed birthdate of Ingram's daughter Elizabeth.
• 1782: Ingram and Thomas Nunn both in Henry County Va tax list with 1 Poll ea. (4)
• 1783: Ingram and Thomas Nunn both in Henry County Va tax list. Ingram with slaves Job and Jack. Thomas with slave Hampton. (6)
• 1783-84: Ingram Nunn apparently dies in Henry County Va between the 1783 and 1784 tax lists.
• 1784: Henry County Va tax list shows Elizabeth Nunn with slaves Chloe, Job & Jack. Thomas Nunn with slave Hampton. (6)
• 1785: Henry County Va tax list shows Thomas Nunn, but not Elizabeth Nunn. (6)

Biography

Ingram Nunn performed Patriotic Service in Virginia in the American Revolution.

Ingram Nunn is a DAR Patriot Ancestor, A085175.

Little is known about Ingram Nunn. He's commonly listed as born circa 1740, but no one gives logic for this estimated birth date. His parents are unknown and their identification in multiple pedigrees and profiles seem to be based on copying multiple assumptions from an earlier pedigree. What we do know from factual sources is that:

• 1) On 23 December 1773, Ingram Nunn applied for a marriage bond in Guilford County North Carolina with the intent to marry Elizabeth Dunn.
• 2) Joseph Nunn was also named on the bond and can be presumed a relative of some sort. Since a Joseph Nunn applied for a marriage bond in the same county six months before, it is likely he was the same Joseph Nunn and of the same generation as Ingram, but we don't know that as a fact.
• 3) Sometime by 1782, Ingram moved across the state line into Henry County, Virginia, or it's mother county, Pittsylvania. While there, Ingram had goods impressed, or voluntarily supplied them, to a Virginia military unit. His later claim for payment proving his residency there.

Per DAR claims, Ingram apparently had at least three children: sons Waters and William and a daughter Elizabeth. Ingram Nunn apparently died between the 1783 and 1784 Henry County, Virginia tax lists as he is shown in 1783, but not in 1784. Elizabeth Nunn, certainly his widow, is shown in 1784 in possession of Ingram's slaves Job and Jack, both also shown in the 1783 list.

Premerge Dates

A merged profile had these dates shown without sourcing: born in 2 May 1740. He passed away in 2 Aug 1803.

Sources

1. Daughters of the American Revolution, DAR Genealogical Research Databases, database online, (http://www.dar.org/), "Record of NUNN, INGRAM", Ancestor # A085175.
2. "North Carolina, County Marriages, 1762-1979 " (This is a typed database which looks like someone transcribed marriage records onto pages placed in a binder). Page 326 Guilford County Marriage Bonds. This record is linked to the actual microfilmed bond which can be seen at https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/LRYJ-148/ingram-james-nunn-1740-1784
3. Revolutionary War Public Service Claims Index. This page may be found online at https://lva-virginia.libguides.com/public-service
4. VIRGINIA TAX PAYERS 1782-87 Other Than Those Published by the United States Census Bureau. By AUGUSTA B. FOTHERGILL and JOHN MARK NAUGLE. 1940. This reference may be viewed online at https://www.familysearch.org/library/books/records/item/582551-virginia-tax-payers-1782-87-other-than-those-published-by-the-united-stated-census-bureau?viewer=1&offset=1#page=1&viewer=picture&o=ocr&n=0&q=
5. Historical Notes and Queries. (1894). The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, 1(3), 325-335. Retrieved June 26, 2021, from http://www.jstor.org/stable/4241755
6. Personal property tax lists, 1782-1851. Virginia. Commissioner of the Revenue (Henry County) . Microfilmed records. Richmond, Virginia : Virginia State Library, 1986. These records can be located at https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSQ2-SQMQ-R?mode=g&cat=776189