"Lisagh O'More (mac Aimergin mac Faelan), lord of Leix, died after penance in 1149. The daughter of O'Kelly, wife of Lisagh O'More, died in 1152. His father AImergin died in 1097." [1]
Pedigree of the O'Mores
There are at least four versions of the pedigree of the O'Mores back to the legendary three sons of Miletius, mythical founders of Ireland. The pedigree of the O’Mores from “Book Of Leinster”, reported by Rev William Carrigan,[2] records it thus from Lisagh:
“Laidhsigh m Neil m Laoidhsigh m Concocrice m Domnaill m Laidsigh m Aimergin m Faolin m Aimergin m Cinotha m Cernaigh m Cinneidigh m Gaoitinm Cinaotha m Caithail m Beraig m Mescill m Maoilaithain m Beraig m Bacain m Aongusa m Nadsia m Bairr m Gaoirbile m corbmic m Lugna m Eogain m Guare m Eirc m Bacain m Lugdach L m Lugdach L m Laoidhsig m Conuill Cernac.” There are 22 further generations back to Ire, one of the three sons of Miletius.
Research notes
Lots of internet trees but no good sources
Loigsech O'Morda of Leix King of Loigsi born Leix died 1149
father: Amargen O'Morda King of Loigsi died 1097
mother: Gormflaith O'Néill
siblings: unknown
spouse: Gormflaith ingen Finn O'Caellaide of Osraige died 1152
children: Cacht ingen Loigsig O'Morda of Leix born 1082 died about 1149
biographical and/or anecdotal: notes or source: LDS ancestry.com
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I am enjoying this profile of my 24th great-grandfather, and making note of sources listed here. I already have a copy of the John O'Hart's ebook which helped me to arrive here in the first place. By the way, my branch came through
Rt. Rev. John (born Sean Mac an Crosain) Crosbie and his spouse via their son, David O'Lalor Crosbie.
Actually, I prefer the older spellings. Sometimes it seems that in this day and age many peoiple prefer convenience over authenticity. After all, how hard is it to spell or pronounce O'Morda. My full profile on another site even shows the connection to Aoife "Red Eva" macMurrough. Open minds find more things to be proud of!
Valid point. Those of us on the Medieval and Ireland teams have explored this question in great detail. Which means some serious thinking has gone into these seemingly arbitrary guidelines ;-)
Looking at this from a wider angle ... Which of many Irish spellings do we choose for the "authentic" spelling? There are 5 or 10 Irish ways to spell O'Carroll or O'Kennedy or O'Dempsey ... many of them unrecognisable to modern genealogists. Even for "easy" Anglo-Norman surnames like Butler, there are at least 8 spellings appearing in historical documents.
Given this messy situation, here's our very general Medieval Ireland guideline:
We use the accepted modern spelling in the name field. That way the person shows up on basic searches. Then we can refer to common Irish spellings in the Biography section. If the Irish spelling was fairly consistent or well-known throughout the centuries, we can add it in the name field, like we've done here.
Just for fun -- did you notice the Dictionary of Irish Biography uses Ó Mordha (and not your O'Morda)? Here's the profile for Conall (d.1537):
So you get a true idea of how complex this whole naming question becomes. It's all about finding reasonable working guidelines for a huge database. No disrespect for our weapon-wielding ancestors is intended!
Rt. Rev. John (born Sean Mac an Crosain) Crosbie and his spouse via their son, David O'Lalor Crosbie.
Looking at this from a wider angle ... Which of many Irish spellings do we choose for the "authentic" spelling? There are 5 or 10 Irish ways to spell O'Carroll or O'Kennedy or O'Dempsey ... many of them unrecognisable to modern genealogists. Even for "easy" Anglo-Norman surnames like Butler, there are at least 8 spellings appearing in historical documents.
Given this messy situation, here's our very general Medieval Ireland guideline:
We use the accepted modern spelling in the name field. That way the person shows up on basic searches. Then we can refer to common Irish spellings in the Biography section. If the Irish spelling was fairly consistent or well-known throughout the centuries, we can add it in the name field, like we've done here.
Just for fun -- did you notice the Dictionary of Irish Biography uses Ó Mordha (and not your O'Morda)? Here's the profile for Conall (d.1537):
So you get a true idea of how complex this whole naming question becomes. It's all about finding reasonable working guidelines for a huge database. No disrespect for our weapon-wielding ancestors is intended!