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Richard (York) of England KG (1452 - 1485)

Richard (Richard III) "King of England" of England KG formerly York aka Plantagenet, of York
Born in Fotheringhay Castle, Northamptonshire, Englandmap
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Died at age 32 in Leicestershire, Englandmap
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Preceded by
Edward V
Richard III, King of England
1483 - 1485
Succeeded by
Henry VII

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Biography

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Richard III (York) of England KG is a member of the House of York.

Richard III ruled as King of England from 26 June 1483, when he deposed his nephew Edward V, until his death on 22 August 1485, when he was killed in battle defending his crown.

Family

Richard of York, Duke of Gloucester, was born of royal blood as a descendant of King Edward III. His royal kinsmen had a history of deposing their predecessors in dynastic violence.

Table of Descendants of Edward III, King of England

He was born on 2 October 1452 at Fotheringhay Castle, Northampshire, the youngest son of Richard Duke of York and his wife Cecily (the Rose of Raby), daughter of Ralph Neville, 1st Earl of Westmorland. [1] [2] [3] [4] His siblings were:

  • Anne - eldest surviving sister, b. 10 August 1439; m. Henry Holand; d. January 1476
  • Henry - b. 1441; died young
  • Edward IV of England - b. 28 April 1442
  • Edmund Earl of Rutland - b.1443; d. 1460
  • Elizabeth Duchess of Suffolk - b. 22 April 1444; m. de la Pole; d. about 1504
  • Margaret Duchess of Burgundy - b. 3 May 1446; m. Charles Duke of Burgundy; d. 1503
  • William - b. 7 July 1447; d. young
  • John - b. 7 November 1448; d. young
  • George Duke of Clarence - b. 21 October 1449; d. 1478
  • Thomas - b. 14150/1; died young
  • Ursula - 22 July 1455; d. young

His life took place in the course of the dynastic violence of the Wars of the Roses between York and the rival House of Lancaster, in which his father and two of his elder brothers - Edmund Earl of Rutland, George Duke of Clarence - lost their lives. It was only with his own death that the conflict finally came to an end.

Youth and Warfare

When Richard was one year old, the reigning Lancaster king, Henry VI, suffered a fit in which "his wit and reson wtdrawen." [5] Richard Duke of York was named his Proctector during his incapacity, and soon began to form ambitions to take the throne in his own right, arguing that his own descent was superior to Henry VI's, having already in 1448 assumed the royal surname Plantagenet. [1] [4] On 22 May 1455, York, with his allies Richard Neville the Earl of Salisbury, the duchess's brother, and Richard Neville the Earl of Warwick, defeated the Lancastrian forces at the First Battle of St Albans].

After the Yorkist forces fled the field at Ludford Bridge in October 1459, Cecily Neville and her three youngest children - Richard, his brother George and their sister Margaret - were taken into custody by the Lancastrians while Duke Richard planned another campaign, which turned to disaster at the Battle of Wakefield on 30 December 1460, when Duke Richard, Edmund Earl of Rutland and the Earl of Salisbury were all killed. Richard was then eight years old. For their safety, Cecily Neville sent the youngest children to the court of Burgundy (Margaret in 1468 married Charles Duke of Burgundy). [6]

But following Wakefield, her eldest son, Edward Earl of March - succeeded as Duke of York - and with her nephew Warwick once again raised their forces. On 4 March 1461, following a victory at The Battle of Mortimer's Cross, Parliament declared Henry VI deposed and Edward of York as King Edward IV. On 29 March, King Edward decisively defeated the Lancastrians at the Battle of Towton, and on 28 June he was crowned at Westminster Abbey. [1] By that time, his younger brothers were back in England to take part in the ceremonies. Richard was then eight years of age.[7]

Duke of Gloucester

On the eve of the coronation, both brothers were among the 28 who were made Knights of the Bath. [8] George, however, three years older and his unmarried brother's heir presumptive, was also made a Knight of the Garter on that occasion [9] as well as Duke of Clarence. Richard was made Duke of Gloucester, but not until 1 November, after his ninth birthday, and only made Knight of the Garter in 1465. [10] [1] By age ten, on 12 August 16 1462, he was granted the office of Admiral of the seas, as well as the castle of Gloucester and numerous other offices and properties. [11] In 1465, when his brother George was declared of age, Richard at age thirteen was sent to the guardianship of his uncle the Earl of Warwick in Yorkshire for the traditional training in knighthood. [12] It may be about that time that he developed 80 degree scoliosis, discovered in postmortem examination. [13] [14]

By 1464, King Edward had married Elizabeth Wydeville, widow of Lancastrian knight John Grey, who gave him a son and heir Edward (born November 1470) [1] but also a horde of rapacious kinsmen who looked for riches and power from the Crown. This marriage precipitated a breach between the king and his uncle Warwick, who had hoped to marry his daughters Isabel and Anne to Edward's brothers, which matches were opposed by Edward. Both Warwick and George Duke of Clarence wanted the alliance for their mutual benefit, both opposed the riches and power going to the Wydevilles, and on 11 July 1469, the marriage between Clarence and Isabel Neville took place in the Warwick stronghold of Calais. [15] At the same time, a Warwick-fomented rebellion broke out in the north, with Warwick issuing a manifesto in its support, blaming the king's evil councillors (Wydevilles) for heavy taxation. [16] The king summoned his brother Richard of Gloucester to join him in confronting the rebellion, for which Gloucester needed to borrow money. [17] Warwick had insufficient support, and the king duly rewarded his one loyal brother, making him Constable of England on 17 October 1469 [18] and Warden of the Marches of Wales. [19]

Warwick then made an alliance in 1470 with Margaret of Anjou, exiled queen of imprisoned King Henry VI and mother of his heir, Edward of Lancaster, sometime Prince of Wales, marrying him to his younger daughter Anne Neville. [20] His forces falling away, King Edward and his brother Gloucester fled to the Low Countries to recruit allies and reinforcements; during his absence Edward's heir Edward Prince of Wales was born in November. The king was able to regain his throne in early 1471 after George of Clarence defected from Warwick and returned to the side of his royal brother. Gloucester, however, was a leader of the king's forces at the Battle of Barnet on 17 April when Warwick was killed, (Gloucester wounded in action) and commanded the vanguard at the Battle of Tewksbury] 4 May when Edward of Lancaster was killed, probably executed. [21]

Magnate

Richard of Gloucester was then, at age eighteen, an experienced battlefield commander and a growing power in his brother's kingdom, being the recipient of the estates and offices forfeited by Warwick, bestowed by his grateful brother the king. He also received the estates of John de Vere, Earl of Oxford, in 1471.

Gloucester's acquisition of the Neville estates gave him an independent power base in the north, where he set about building up his own support. His closest advisors in his kingship came from those days: Francis Lovell, William Catesby, and Richard Ratcliff. During his last days of unpopularity, Richard III was mocked by the verse: "The Catte, the Ratte and Lovell our dogge rulyth all Englande under a hogge" in reference to Richard's badge of a white boar. But in the north, he was well-regarded, and the population knew that service with him would be rewarded. [22] He could easily call up a substantial fighting force.

In 1481-2, he led English forces in a minor war with Scotland - a traditionally approved role for northern magnates, and an opportunity for knighthoods to be made. More pacifically, he arbitrated disputes, opened fairs, and endowed colleges. [23] It was probably the most relatively peaceful decade of his life. Later, as king in 1484, he established the Council of the North, perhaps his most lasting accomplishment in government. [24] For a partial list of his titles, see: [25]

Marriage

In 1472, Gloucester became a married man, taking to wife Anne Neville, widow of Edward of Lancaster. The marriage had issue: son Edward of Middleham - born 1476 at Middleham Castle, Yorkshire, the former home of the Earl of Warwick, her father, which would be Gloucester's primary residence.[1]

Gloucester also had acknowledged illegitimate children: [1] [26]

And

  • Richard Plantagenet of Eastwell Kent (1469-1550) Not acknowledged. [27]

A major obstacle to Goucester's marriage was his brother the redeemed traitor Duke of Clarence, who exhibited a strong jealously against the brother who had been loyal. By virtue of his marriage to the eldest Warwick daughter Isabel, he had half the estates formerly held by the earl by right of his countess, Anne Beauchamp; he wanted the rest. The brothers were apparently ready to duel over the issue. The king supported Gloucester, but it was the countess who eventually paid the price, her property being divided between her sons-in-law "as if (she) were naturally dead." [28] In fact, she survived until 1492, outliving both daughters and both their husbands. [29]

In December 1476, Clarence's duchess Isabel died in childbirth, along with a newborn son, and Clarence immediately took the opportunity to press a suit for his sister Margaret's stepdaughter Mary, daughter of the recently-deceased Duke of Burgundy, Charles the Bold. After Edward denied approval for the marriage, Clarence was implicated in a design of "'imagining and compassing' the king's death" - employing magic to learn the death of the king and his son. [30] Parliament met on 16 January 1477/8, pronounced the Duke guilty, attainted, and he was executed on 18 February (with or without the legendary butt of malmsey). [31] Most damning charges: (Appendix I) "He also said that the king was a bastard, not fit to reign, and made men take oaths of allegiance to him without excepting their loyalty to the king. He accused the king of taking his livelihood from him, and intending his destruction. He secured an exemplification under the great seal of an agreement made between him and Queen Margaret promising him the crown if Henry VI's line failed."

While there is no evidence that Richard of Gloucester was involved in this prosecution, he benefited greatly from the outcome. He was left the only adult male of the Yorkist family, although his brother by then had a second son, Richard Duke of York, born 17 August 1473. Gloucester's son Edward was given the forfeited title Earl of Salisbury on 15 February 1477/8. [32]

Edward V

Gloucester was at his castle of Middleham in Yorkshire when news came that his brother King Edward IV had unexpectedly died on 9 April 1483 - apparently too far for him to reach London for the king's funeral on the 16th. Edward had left his brother Gloucester as Protector to his twelve-year-old son and heir, now Edward V. News also reached him that the queen and her Wydeville kinsmen meant to take control over the new king. Edward V was at Ludlow Castle in his capacity as Prince of Wales, but he left for London about 23 April with an escort of 2000 armed men under the leadership of his uncle Anthony Wydeville, Lord Rivers, for a coronation scheduled for 4 May, after which, they may have believed, the Protector's authority would be superseded. The two factions apparently saw each other as a threat and both took pre-emptive action. Gloucester was supported by William Hastings Lord Hastings, probably Edward IV's most trusted and loyal advisor and opposed to the Wydevilles. According to the contemporary chronicler Dominicus Mancini, Henry Stafford, Duke of Buckingham, another enemy of the Wydevilles, apparently also saw this as a threat, as he joined Gloucester on his march to intercept the new king before he reached London. [33] [34]

Gloucester struck first. On 29 April, the two parties met at Northampton with apparent good-will, but the next day Gloucester arrested Rivers, his nephew Richard Grey, half-brother of the new king, and Sir Thomas Vaughan, and sent them north under guard, despite the protests of King Edward. This news so alarmed the queen, with her support cut off, that she immediately fled with her younger son and her daughters into sanctuary at Westminster Abbey. Soon after reaching London, Edward was installed in the royal apartments in the Tower of London - a traditional residence - but cut off from contact with his mother and her advisors. His coronation was postponed, first to 22 June, at last indefinitely. At a meeting of the council on 10 May, Gloucester was officially confirmed as Protector. He proposed the condemnation of Lord Rivers and Richard Grey for treason, but the council refused him, leaving the possibility that they might return to power and oppose him. [35]

The Duke of Buckingham was rewarded by the Protector for his support of the coup with extensive lands and powers, mainly in Wales. [36] Numerous other appointments were made, as Gloucester put his own supporters into office. But on about 10 June, he wrote to Yorkshire requesting armed reinforcements "to aid and assist us against the queen, her blood adherents and affinity, which have intended and daily doeth intend, to murder and utterly destroy us and our cousin, the Duke of Buckingham, and the old royal blood of this realm ..." On 13 June, at a secret meeting of the council, Lord William Hastings was summarily seized and beheaded. As Ross points out, Hastings' loyalty had always been, not to the queen, but to Edward IV and his line, ie, to his heir. [37] [38] Events thereafter proceeded rapidly and inexorably: [39]

16 June - Richard Duke of York removed from sanctuary, ostensibly to attend his brother's coronation
22 June - Public sermons preached (perhaps by a theologian Ralph Shaa or Shaw) declaring that Edward IV's marriage had been unlawful and his children thus illegitimate - an accusation as old as Warwick and Clarence in 1469
23 June - Writs of supersedeas sent out, cancelling the parliament planned for after Edward's coronation
25 June - Earl Rivers, Richard Grey, and Sir Thomas Vaughan beheaded (probably without trial) at Pontefract Castle, Yorkshire
26 June - A petition presented to Richard Duke of Gloucester requesting that he assume the throne
6 July - Richard III crowned King of England and his queen with him
8 September - Edward of Middleham created Prince of Wales
At some point, Edward IV's sons were no longer seen alive. [40]
January - February 1484 - The Act Titulus Regius passed by Parliament in justification of Richard III's usurpation of the throne. [41] [42]

1483 Rebellion

Reaction to Richard III's usurpation of his nephew's throne came quickly, first from those who, like Hastings, had been loyal to the previous king. Some were affiliated with the Wydevilles, most notably Thomas Grey Marquess of Dorset, Elizabeth Wydeville's eldest son and brother of the executed Richard Grey. See list: [43] According to Ingulf the Chronicler of Croyden [44] the original purpose of the uprising was to deliver the sons of King Edward from captivity in the Tower, believing them still to be alive. (It is quite conceivable that it was the outbreak of rebellion which convinced Richard that it was too dangerous to leave them so.) Richard issued a commission of oyer and terminer on 28 August to seek out any rebels, [45] with the Duke of Buckingham to be at its head, but by that time it is likely that Buckingham himself had joined the uprising. According to Ingulf, it was Buckingham who initiated an alliance with the exiled Lancasters and proposed the union of Henry Tudor, earl of Richmond, and Elizabeth of York, Edward IV's eldest daughter and apparent heir. [44] The rising failed. Buckingham was beheaded on 2 November, and Richard called a parliament the next year to issue acts of attainder, [41] the forfeited lands being doled out to his supporters. [46] But Henry Tudor, who had come too late, resolved to make another, better-prepared attempt. [47]

1485 Battle of Bosworth Field

His ill-gained crown had not brought Richard III much happiness. In 1483, he made a royal progress to the north of the country, bestowing largess, but his only son died on 9 April 1484 and his queen a year later on 16 March 1485. [1] He had no heir of his body and it was increasingly obvious that the unsettled state of the kingdom afforded him no timely opportunity to obtain one.

In France, Henry Tudor was negotiating with the regent for Charles VIII of France, his sister Anne de Beaujeu, whose plans fit well with his own. With French support added to disaffected English exiles - most notably John de Vere, Earl of Oxford, whose estates had been handed over to Richard Tudor in 1471 - he assembled an army that landed near Milford Haven on 7 August 1485. He was joined in Wales by an army led by local magnate Rhys ap Thomas. Both side apparently possessed artillery, although Horspool believes Richard's guns were superior. [48] [49] [50]

The two forces deployed on 22 August at Sutton Cheney, Leicestershire. The battle is not well-documented and accounts differ. Richard's army was the larger - perhaps as many as 10,000 men to Tudor's 5000, but many of them may have lacked zeal for the fight. His strongest and most reliable ally was John Howard Duke of Norfolk, who commanded the vanguard. Henry Percy Earl of Northumberland commanded either the left wing or the rear of Richard's army, and Thomas Stanley, Earl of Derby, and his bother Sir William Stanley were nominally on the side of the king, but Thomas Stanley was also Henry Tudor's stepfather. He stood apart from the battle as the armies formed up, and when Richard ordered an advance, Northumberland did not move. [51] The Croyland Chronicler reported: "In the part where the Earl of Northumberland was posted, with a large and well-provided body of troops, there was no opposition made, as not a blow was given or received during the battle." [44] Sources differ on the reason.

Richard led his willing troops in a mounted charge directly at Henry Tudor's position, at which Sir William Stanley moved to join Tudor, giving him the numerical advantage.[51] The Croyland Chronicler wrote: "For while fighting and not in the act of flight, the said King Richard was pierced with numerous deadly wounds, and fell in the field like a brave and most valiant prince." [44]

Posthumous History

Ingulf of Croyland wrote: "The body of the said King Richard being found among the dead ... many other insults were also heaped upon it, and, not exactly in accordance with the laws of humanity, a halter being thrown around the neck, it was carried to Leicester." [44] It was taken to the Greyfriars church and exposed to the public for three days, providing witness that he was in fact dead, then buried there in the choir of the church.[52] Following the dissolution of the monasteries a half-century later, its location was lost.

Five hundred years after his death, the location was discovered. Forensic and DNA analysis identified it as the burial of Richard III. [53] On 26 March 2015, he was re-interred at Leicester Cathedral with a requiem Mass. [54]

For a detailed account of Richard III's burial and aftermath see: Space: Richard III Burial [4]

DNA

Following the discovery of his remains, Richard III's identity was confirmed by DNA analysis by a team led by Turi E King.

mtDNA

Mitochondrial DNA results showed a perfect whole-mitochondrial genome match between Skeleton 1 of the Greyfriars site and Michael Ibsen and a single base difference (mutation) with Wendy Duldig - both descendants of Richard III's sister Anne St Leger.

MATERNAL relationship confirmed by an exact HVR1 and HVR2 match between:

MATERNAL relationship confirmed by an exact HVR1 and HVR2 match between

YDNA

YDNA was tested with five descendants of Henry Somerset 5th Duke of Beaufort. "Four of the modern relatives were found to belong to Y-haplogroup R1b-U152 (x L2, Z36, Z56, M160, M126 and Z192)13,14 with STR haplotypes being consistent with them comprising a single patrilinear group. One individual (Somerset 3) was found to belong to haplogroup I-M170 (x M253, M223) and therefore could not be a patrilinear relative of the other four within the time span considered, indicating that a false-paternity event had occurred within the last four generations.... In contrast to the Y-haplotypes of the putative modern relatives, Skeleton 1 belongs to haplogroup G-P287, with a corresponding Y-STR haplotype. Thus, the putative modern patrilinear relatives of Richard III are not genetically related to Skeleton 1 through the male line over the time period considered." [56]

Research Notes

Historian Michael Hicks has examined evidence which might suggest that Richard and his wife had a second son. He concludes that it is ambiguous and inconclusive. [57]

Richard III was a controversial figure even before his death. Some historians have painted him as a monstrous villain while others insist he has been falsely maligned. The account in this genealogical profile has followed, as far as possible, the attested facts of his life and attempted to avoid unwarranted speculation.




















Sources

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  2. Ross, Charles. Richard III, p. 4. University of California Press: 1981.
  3. Cannon, J. & Griffiths, R. (2000). The Oxford Illustrated History of the British Monarchy, p. 268, 294, 296, 657. Oxford: University of Oxford Press.
  4. 4.0 4.1 Luminarium Encyclopedia Project: Wars of the Roses House of York
  5. Horspool, David. Richard III: A Ruler and His Reputation, p. 25. London: Bloomsbury, 1215.
  6. Ross, p. 5.
  7. Ross, p. 6.
  8. Shaw, WA. The Knights of England, vol. 1, p. 133. London: Sherratt & Hughes, 1906. p. 133
  9. Shaw, p. 14. p. 14
  10. Shaw, p. 15.
  11. Calendar of the Patent Rolls - 2 EDWARD IV - Part II, Membrane 5, p. 197. HM Stationery Office, 1916. p. 197
  12. Ross, p. 7.
  13. Horspool, p. 51.
  14. "Richard III: Team rebuilds 'most famous spine'," (2014, May 29). BBC. spine
  15. Hicks, Michael. Warwick the Kingmaker, p. 267. Oxford: Blackwell, 1998.
  16. Hicks, pp. 272-275.
  17. Horspool, p. 63.
  18. Calendar of the Patent Rolls - 9 EDWARD IV.— Part I - Membrane 16, p. 178. London : Eyre and Spottiswoode, 1948. p. 178
  19. Ross, p. 17.
  20. Hicks, p. 295 - 299.
  21. Ross, p. 21-2.
  22. Ross, p. 55.
  23. Ross, pp. 44-47.
  24. Horspool, p. 222.
  25. Titles of Richard III [Plantagenet]
    Richardson, D. (2013). Royal Ancestry, III: 533, IV: 128, V: 458-460.
  26. Horspool, pp. 67 & 116.
  27. Hammond, Peter. Richard III & his World: Richard Plantagenet. Hammond
  28. Horspool, pp. 104-109.
  29. Hicks, p. 327.
  30. Horspool, pp. 120-129.
  31. "Edward IV: January 1478." Parliament Rolls of Medieval England. Eds. Chris Given-Wilson, Paul Brand, Seymour Phillips, Mark Ormrod, Geoffrey Martin, Anne Curry, and Rosemary Horrox. Woodbridge: Boydell, 2005. British History Online. Web. 11 February 2024. 1478
  32. Calendar of the Patent Rolls - 17 Edward IV - Part 2. Membrane 16, p. 67. London: HM Stationery Office, 1939. February 15 & 21
  33. Horspool, pp. 143-150.
  34. Ross, pp. 70-73.
  35. Ross, pp. 74-5.
  36. Calendar of the Patent Rolls - Edward V. Membrane3, pp. 349-350. HM Stationery Office 1939. May 16
  37. Ross, pp. 76-85.
  38. Horspool, pp. 155-160.
  39. Ross, pp. 86 - 93. Frequently cites Mancini. (Dominicus Mancinus, The Usurpation of Richard III, CEJ Armstrong, ed. Oxford University Press, 1936)
  40. Weir, A. (1995). The Princes in the Tower, New York, NY: Ballantine Books, August 1995, p. 215
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  57. Hicks, Michael A. "One Prince or Two?The Family of Richard III" The Ricardian Vol. 9, September 1993, p. 467. Hicks

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Although there have been some improvements: the whole balance oif the profile is completely out for WikiTREE: there is simply too much weight in this profile for his "archeology", "dna" & "re-internment" notes which for Wikitree as opposed to Wikipedia, should be but a footnote. Also the detail about his parents could reside in the obvious links rather than repetition here. So what is missing? His life basically: his meeting of Anne Neville when young; his usurpation of the throne from Edward V in May/June 1483: including confinement to the Tower of Edward V & later Richard of Shrewsbury; the execution opf Hastings etc; the postonement of Edward V's coronation from 22 June (indefintely); on 22nd June the sermon preaching the infidelity of Edward !V; the execution of Rivers, Grey etc on 25 June; Richard's final seize for power 22-25 June; Richard proclaimed King 26 June 1483. And then after his own coronation: the rumours of murder; the loss of his (only legitimate) son Edward on 9 Apr 1484, exactly 1 year after Edward IV's death; the death of his wife 16 Mar 1484/5. His mood before Bosworth must have been quite grim - even his re-marriage plans for 1485 went wrong: he knew he was the last in line of sucession of the Plantagents. Also: his early life was adventurous and not simply confined to providing us with some bones and dna: the profile should better reflect his early life.
posted by Jeremy Stroud
edited by Jeremy Stroud
Jeremy, I will be working shortly on this profile on behalf of the England Project to make revisions along the lines of your comment.
posted by Lois (Hacker) Tilton
Hello Profile Managers!

We are featuring this profile in the Connection Finder this week. Between now and Wednesday is a good time to take a look at the sources and biography to see if there are updates and improvements that need made, especially those that will bring it up to WikiTree Style Guide standards. We know it's short notice, so don't fret too much. Just do what you can.

Thanks!

Abby

posted by Abby (Brown) Glann
Looking forward to viewing the upcoming movie: "The Lost King", opening Friday 24 Mar 2023 (at least in our area, Portland, OR). Check out the trailer here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJeGgMIXgRY. Richard is my fifth cousin 18 times removed.
Why "inevitably killed"? Should that be "Ultimately"?
posted by Carol (Jennings) Thoma
well spotted - that will be removed as it is clearly wrong as you suggest - once an edited version can be assembled and approved by EP - there are other serious errors and numerous omissions that will require time to get changed
posted by Jeremy Stroud
His date of marriage "before 18 March 1472" seems to be presently unsourced and the accuracy must be questioned given that a dispensation to marry arrived from Rome on 22 April 1472 (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Neville). The later date of the 12 July 1472 also muddies the waters - does anyone known how we can better ascertain when and where they were married?
posted by Jeremy Stroud
missing from his Timeline and Biography are the dates of 25 June and 26 June 13483 for the proclamation and ascension to the throne - prior to his coronation on 6 July 1483 which is mentioned
posted by Jeremy Stroud
Concerning structure/layout of the profile: a strong suggestion is made to adapt the present

1 Biography 1.1 Family 1.2 Death 1.3 Archaeology 1.3.1 DNA 1.4 Re-interment 1.5 Timeline 1.6 Notes 2 Sources 3 See Also to 1 Biography 1.1 Birth and youth 1.2 Marriage and life as Duke 1.3 King Richard III 1.4 Death & burial 2 Timeline 3. Research Notes 3.1 Archeology (of his remains and the Battlefield) 3.2 DNA analysis (of him. but not descendants who do not match) 3.3 Reinterment 4 Sources 5 See Also

Just an idea I wanted to put to EP

posted by Jeremy Stroud
In Archeology section "Gloucester's remains were resurrected(sic)" should read exhumed or similar
posted by Jeremy Stroud
We know now that he died at Fenn Hole (in a field behind Fenn Hole Farm, which is offan old Romand road named), Fenn Lanes, (just West of the village of) Stoke Golding, Leicestershire

see e.g. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1252208/Real-location-Richard-IIIs-Battle-Bosworth-500-years.html

The Battle of Bosworth visitors centre is about 2 miles North East of that position.

posted by Jeremy Stroud
I fear we can not avoid the "elephant in the room" for very long - the murder of the 2 princes (edward (V) & Richard in the tower. Their uncle Richard III is still the most likely suspect by far - even without proof and at risk of upsetting the restore the much maligned reputation of Richard III society. I'm all in favour of a fresh looks at the facts & sources, but he will probably always remain as the person who had the most to gain from thier murders and thus probably at least agreed to having them done away with. Not to be ignored is that he had an heir himself, still alive in 1483, son Edward born 1476 (d.1484). No-one has a stronger claim to being responsible realistically based on what we know. He also had the opportunity, being in charge of the Tower. See all the sources around the dubious 100y postumous myth from Shakespeare - e.g. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/02/historian-bolsters-case-that-richard-iii-murdered-the-princes-in-the-tower/ is just as one example
posted by Jeremy Stroud
edited by Jeremy Stroud
There remains no proof of the murder of the two princes.

If they were murdered, it might well have been done by someone seeking to procure Richard's favour. Others besides Richard believed they were illegitimate. Richard was a pretty good king.

posted by Margaret Shirley
The sequence of Richard's timeline for 1483 needs rearranging
posted by Martin Honor
I will propose a new Timeline and suggest to PM & EP, once a few basics have been agreed with EP, such as whether it is (in)correct to include postumous events in someone's timeline. Presently, what I really miss in his timeline are the family events that shape a person - like his birth in 1452 Fothringghay; the early loss of his father in 1460, when just 8 years old & his upbringing thereafter until about 1470; the deaths of relatives/rivals in 1471 at Tewksbury; the subsequent marriage to his childhood love Anne Neville in 1472; birth of their son and heir in 1476(?); death of his brother King Edward IV in early 1483; death of his nephews Edward (Edward V and true heir to the throne after Edward IV) & Richard in the Tower, summer 1483; death of his own son Edward in April 1484, age about 7; death of his wife Anne in Spring 1485, age just 28 & his subsequent grief & isolation in the months leading up to the battle of Bosworth in August 1485. A list of just his titles & awards tells us very little from a Wikitree point of view.
posted by Jeremy Stroud
Should not his Timeline end in 1485? or does a corpse/skeleton live post mortem on Wikitree ? The timeline still neeeds some editing to include i.a. his creation as Duke of Gloucester on 1 Nov 1461 (age 9) = also I dont see anything yet about his estimated year of birth; his date of marriage married before 18 Mar 1472 in Westminster Abbey = needs repeating in the Biography and a source indicated (see also my note below)

A Biography is the description of a person's LIFE so all events (e.g Archeology, post=mortem DNA analysis) and subsequent discussion after death should be placed in Research Notes or a separate Post-Mortem heading, noyt being a sub-heading of Biography. Apologiesd for knit-picking about the structure - its just doesn't seem ;ogical and applies to many Wikitree profiles - this profile is a fantastic improvement over the one of a year ago, really.

posted by Jeremy Stroud
edited by Jeremy Stroud
A dramatic improvement over the past profile - a great job done.

One small point: please adapt/correct the inaccuaracy where the text staes that: Forensic analysis found that Gloucester was indeed, 'a hunchback.' The description was not a later invention of Tudor and subsequent chroniclers."

It did NOT find he was an "hunchback" at all - it found he had a severe ca.80 degree curvature of the spine due to Scoliosis NOT Kythosis - the subsequent chroniclers (whose identity remain of doubt) later distorted the truth to vilify him - apart from his raised right shoulder w.r.t. left - his clothes/armour would have hidden the deformity very well and very few could have known until his stripped body was paraded after battle.

posted by Jeremy Stroud
missing from his above profile is his creation as Duke of Gloucester on 1 Nov 1461 (age 9)
posted by Jeremy Stroud
Richard's date of marriage to Anne Neville is indicated as before 12 Mar 1472; yet most sources seem to indicate a date of 12 Jul 1472 (see e.g. https://www.westminster-abbey.org/abbey-commemorations/royals/richard-iii); is there an explantion for the discrepancy? which date should we adhere to and why?

see also https://www.geni.com/people/Anne-Neville-Queen-consort-of-England/6000000008082718592#:~:text=The%20exact%20date%20of%20the%20wedding%20of%20Anne,the%20chapel%20of%20St%20Stephen%20in%20Westminster%20Palace.

Maybe Anne waited at least one year after the death of Edward on 4 Mar 1471 - I still can't understand how the various dates for marriage in 1471 arise Mar, early Spring, before Mar 18. 12 July etc - can someone provide a more definitive answer?

posted by Jeremy Stroud
edited by Jeremy Stroud
Timeline edits suggested:

a) order of events 1462: Admiral of the Sea and 1465: Knight of the Garter should be reversed, i.e. earlier first

b) add 1464 (age 11) he was named by his brother King Edward IV the single Commissioner of Array for the Western Counties

posted by Jeremy Stroud
In the Timeline given above:

a) Richard's title of (Lord High) Constable of England is dated 1469-70, 1472; however, he retained the title throughout his reign as king and thus the dates in the timeline for this title should read: 1469-70, 1472-1485.

b) the Timeline event of "6 July 1483: King of England" is surely the same as the one immediately below it of "Sun 06 July 1483: Dei Gratia Rex Angliae et Franciae et Dominus Hiberniae (by the Grace of God, King of England and France and Lord of Ireland)"?

c) is Timeline event "30 Apr-26 Jun 1483: Lord Protector of England" meant to be prior to the similarly named one following of "1483: Protector and Defender of the Realm"? or did the title name change on 26 Jun 1483 when he became king having deposed Edwrad V the day before; in any case, the event should be placed before the event of his coronation 6 Jul 1483.


d) missing from the Timeline is his death 22 Aug 1495 at Bosworth Field, just SW of the village of Sutton-Cheney, Leics.

posted by Jeremy Stroud
Absolutely correct he was never a hunchback

It was the Tudors propagandist's and Shakespeare that promoted this view

posted by Roger Churm
then the text "Forensic analysis found that Gloucester was INDEED (added by author of text) 'a hunchback.' The description was not a later invention of Tudor and subsequent chroniclers."" stills editing and citation 31 qualified. Scoliosis, even severe, does not mean that someone has a "hunchback". Usually the S-curvature of the spine is hidden inside the frame of the person and has few external points of reference - the raised shoulder on one side being the most common in severe cases - but which can often be disguised by clothing, padding, armor. The description was/is INDEED a later invention of Tudor and subsequent chroniclers; but really were there multiple chroniclers? Might not e.g. Tudor/Elizabethan sources be a better choice of words (or something similar) rather repeating the misinformation of i.a. citation 31. Wikitree should remove inaccuracies where possible and not promulgate inaccuarte myths further. Please entreat my plea and grant my petition!
posted by Jeremy Stroud
edited by Jeremy Stroud
In the line of text (DEATH: Duffy): "or commission a moment. Instead, it appears that Henry VI commissioned Gloucester's tomb."

I believe "moment" should read monument and Henry "VI" should read Henry VII.

In addition It's not clear to me if the text is suggesting there was indeed a tomb built or just plans for one in St Mary in Newark Leicester (presumably the same church as The Church of the Annunciation of Our Lady of the Newarke in Leicester?) In any case, we now know he was for sure buried in the Franscican Friary chapel floor, Leicester. He was displayed naked in the Mary in Newarke (where many Lancastrian nobles were buried) and where it would be hard to believe a tomb would be built for him - or have I got mixed up?

posted by Jeremy Stroud
It is incorrect to describe someone with scoliosis, even severe thoracic scoliosis, as a hunchback: Kyphosis is the medical term for hunchback and is a excessive rearwards curvature of the spine that results in a central hump on the back and will not result in uneven shoulder height as seen in severe scoliosis, which is a sidewards (S-type) twisting of the spine. He was indeed NOT a hunchback: Shakespeare was wrong. It would be good if PE would be willing to correct the above text, pointing out that subsequent chroniclers had got it wrong: he had been mis-diagnosed and given a derogatory term as well.

I was also wondering would his place of death not be: Bosworth Field, Sutton-Cheney, (Nuneaton), Leiceistershire, England ? or is there areason why it is simply just Leicestershire, England?

Again, thank you PE for producing & protecting so many fascinating Historical profiles - really appreciated

posted by Jeremy Stroud
I see now that present day Sutton-Cheney although administratively in Leics. has a postal address in Nuneaton, Staffs. is that the reason why the place of death is left so general?

For Battlesite location see e.g. https://www.google.com/maps/place/52%C2%B035'28.0%22N+1%C2%B024'37.0%22W/@52.5912534,-1.4089884,13.52z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xa954d5849f84ffac!8m2!3d52.591111!4d-1.410278?hl=en

posted by Jeremy Stroud
Of England-292 and York-1245 appear to represent the same person because: clear duplicate for King Richard III
posted by Janet Gunn
Hello to all the members of the Trusted List! The England Project has taken over Project Management of this profile from the British Royals and Aristocrats Project as explained in [https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1095774/england-project-take-management-english-euroaristo-profiles this G2G Please contact me if you have any questions.

Jo, England Project Managed Profiles team

posted by Jo Fitz-Henry
Did some more clean-up ... added some of the suggested sources and reviewed changes to check citations and see where previous copy orginates. Put it in the Notes section for editors, since profile needs more work.
posted by [Living Ogle]
edited by Bree Ogle
documentary- Search for Richard III - "King in a Car Park" - Archeological Dig of car park to find his gravesite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx8oo9MAMZo

Canadian descendant of Richard III invited to the burial- Documentary of how remains were found, and determined to be him. How King Richard III Remains Were Discovered and Confirmed - Documentary- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Bxx2phuAE

Additional - Injuries to the Remains of Richard III (from University of Leicester)- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwrIka8x9_w

Documentary- The Reburial of Richard III - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSwWgbPObB0

posted by Arora (G) Anonymous
edited by Arora (G) Anonymous
The full mtDNA sequence of the Greyfriars Skeleton is in GenBank at https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/KM676292
posted by Nathan Kennedy
Physical Appearance:

Add to this section the discovery that his DNA indicates that Richard III was likely born with blonde hair (which may have darkened with age) and blue eyes.

King, T. E. et al. Identification of the remains of King Richard III. Nat. Commun. 5:5631 doi: 10.1038/ncomms6631 (2014)

posted by Michele Britton
The graphic titled "The House of York in 1475" under "Pedigree" has been shown to be incorrect and it should be taken down.

The male line family tree for the House of York as confirmed by DNA and historical research at the University of Leicester is located at:

http://www.le.ac.uk/richardiii/science/familytreeMale.html

The female line (mtNDA) descending from from Cecily Neville, also verified at the same university, is located at:

http://www.le.ac.uk/richardiii/science/familytree.html

posted by Michele Britton