Ephraim Osborne Sr.
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Ephraim Osborne Sr. (bef. 1725 - aft. 1794)

Lt. Ephraim Osborne Sr.
Born before in Williamsburg, James City County, Colony of Virginiamap
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Husband of — married about 1740 [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died after after age 69 in Grayson, Virginia, United Statesmap
Profile last modified | Created 11 Feb 2014
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The Birth and Death Dates are a rough estimate. See the text for details.
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Contents

Biography

1776 Project
Private Ephraim Osborne Sr. served with Montgomery County Regiment, North Carolina Militia during the American Revolution.
This profile is part of the Osborn Name Study.

Ephraim's birth place and date are uncertain. What we do know, through DNA evidence, is that the Ephraim who lived in the Yadkin Valley, NC, in 1753 and fathered Jonathan Osborne-1310 is descended through at least two currently unknown generations from Thomas Osborne- and Mary Goatley who were founders in the 1640s of New Haven, CT. (Jeanie Bond [Doran-) Ephraim may have been a brother of Caleb Osborne.

Ephraim was a fur trader. (This would make sense because his fresh-from-England-Ancestors operated the animal slaughtering business in New Haven, CT. Those who moved from CT to the Hamptons area of New York operated a butchery and tannery. Those who moved from NY to Elizabethtown, where we think Ephraim was born, also operated a meat butchery and tannery. The man came from three generations of hide specialists. The long hunters in NC, would require skinners and tanners, as well.) [1]

He settled North of the Yadkin in 1749. (Researchers have cited his son's Rev. War Pension Application as proof that he was in the "Forks of the Yadkin" in 1753. It MAY have been earlier, but we have no proof.)[2] Rootsweb link seen in January 2019, no longer available, and not archived on wayback machine either. I cannot find the pension # or his name on the Southern pension page either.

After 1768, he moved from Rowan County, NC to Grayson County, Va. This information comes from his son Jonathan's Rev. War. Pension. In 1766, Ephraim and his family were in Fincastle County, Virginia.(?)[3][4]

He and his son Jonathan were in the Battle of Point Pleasant in 1774, Black county, Virginia which is now Pt. Pleasant, West Virginia.[5]

On December 14, 1774, he obtained a Loyal Land Grant for 260 acres in Fincastle County. It was there that Osborn's fort was built. In later years, Ephriam was granted a license to operate an ordinary (Tavern). [6]

Ephraim took the Oath of Allegiance in 1777. (source?)

The "Annals of Southwest Va.", by Summers, showed "Ozburn, Ephraim paid at court for Montgomery Co., Nov. 3, 1779 for 33 days for out of county levy". He was patrolling against Indians and Tories. [7][8] (page 24).

23 Apr 1794 Ephraim was given an exemption from the Montgomery County tax; such exemptions were commonly given to the aged and the infirm, but not the dead. His death date is AFTER 23 Apr 1794. [citation needed]

Spouse

Ephraim married Elizabeth. Many trees and secondary sources identify her as Elizabeth Howard, daughter of James and Elizabeth (Gassaway) Howard; however, there is no reliable evidence of this.

Children

  1. Robert Osborne 1745-1818. (MAY ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN A younger BROTHER)
  2. Enoch Osborne 1747-1818 married Jane Hash.[9]
  3. Ephraim Osborne 1748-1852.
  4. Solomon Osborne married Nancy Davidson.[9]
  5. Eleanor Ellander (Osborne) Hash 1751-1820.
  6. Jonathan Osborne 1753-1834 married Agnes Wells.[9]
  7. Chloe Langley (Osborne) Howard 1765-1841. (There is no proof that this is his child)

[citation needed]

Narrative

Digging at Fort Osborne

[Grayson County, Virginia] While travelling among the neatly maintained farms overlooking the New River, I caught a glimpse of a brick monument directly across the road from a white barn. Making out the words "Osborne Fort," I sped past. But it only took me a second to realize that the place warranted a closer look. The marker identified this as "Osborne Fort Cemetery, 1812-1877." So, was this a military installation during the Civil War? Was this a strategic encampment during the Revolution? Or was it a blockhouse to protect the frontier settlers from disgruntled Cherokees? The answer was not obvious, as the gravestones were the only indication that this place had ever been anything other than a farm.

Something about the cemetery seemed odd. It wasn’t the fact that this cemetery was so carefully tended, but that the stones were arranged so precisely. I had never seen a graveyard arranged with such perfect symmetry. The markings on the stones were only partly legible. It helped that the monument next to the road bore the names of all the people buried in the cemetery: mostly members of the Cox, Osborne, Thompson and Ward families, several slaves and a few Native Americans.

Only later would I learn the story of the Osborne Fort Cemetery and the story of Osborne Fort itself. The cemetery extended to the fences visible in the photograph, but in the late 1950s the landowner removed all the stones. During the 1970s, the cemetery was threatened with flooding from a proposed dam on the New River, but plans for that project were eventually abandoned. The brick monument was constructed to mark the cemetery in 1982. After some of the original headstones and footstones were recovered from storage in 2004, they were placed on individual concrete pads in the cemetery, which explains the careful spacing of those markers.

(I visited there in 2010 and learned from the folks at Grayson County Genealogical Society that the stones have been removed from the field and 'stored' UNDER an adjacent barn. Between 1950 and the mid 1970s, with the stones removed, the field was plowed, planted and harvested annually just as it had been early American times.)[10]

Ephraim Osborne Sr. (About 1720 -after 1793) made a living as a fur collector working the Yadkin Valley with Daniel Boone’s colleague, Christopher Gist. Around 1761, Osborne and his family moved from Rowan County, NC to Grayson County, Virginia. Their new land, between Bridle Creek and Saddle Creek (tributaries of the New River) was a favorite hunting and fishing spot of the Cherokees, who were reluctant to forfeit the land without a fight. So, to protect themselves and nearby settlers, the Osbornes built a fort on their farm.

The Osbornes did experience a deadly encounter with the Cherokees in 1764, while Ephraim Osborne’s sons were deer hunting in nearby Watauga County, NC. Enoch, Solomon and Ephraim Jr. got drenched by rain, so they set up camp and hung their wet clothes by the campfire. Sometime during the night, Cherokees shot into their camp and killed 21-year-old newlywed Solomon Osborne. After fleeing into the darkness, Ephraim crept back to retrieve his horse, while Enoch returned home without shoes and in his night clothes.

Enoch Osborne (1741-1818) raised his family on the farm at Osborne Fort. He was captain of a militia unit during the Revolution, a county magistrate and a Methodist leader. In March 1792, Bishop Francis Asbury stayed at Enoch Osborne’s during one of his many trips through the area. Upon his death, Enoch was buried at the Osborne Fort Cemetery.[11]

Death

Died 1796[12] Grayson County, Virginia, United States of America.

Research Notes

Project Maintenance

  • Needs Sources: Several of the claims in this profile lack current source citations, as noted in the biography.
  • Needs Relationship Review: The biography lists 7 children (without citing any source), and there are currently 21 children attached to this profile. Need relationship research to identify and cite sources for the actual children; the others should be detached.

Disputed Origins

Based on the information and comments I have read by various Wiki-Tree members, the parents of Ephraim Osborn are uncertain and unproven. Some say Jonathan Osborne and Greta Holman of Williamsburg VA, some say Jonathan Osborne and Edith Harris. Some researchers say that Thomas Osborne and Mary MNU or Martha Jones (some say Martha Griegg) to be the parents of Jonathan Osborne. Trying to prove these connections can become confusing and often futile.

There is a DNA connection through Ephraim Osborne and Thomas Osborne and Mary Goatley, founders of New Haven, CT, but there are basically two unknown generations of Osbornes.

Disputed Children

Other unsourced wiki children:
  1. Stephen Osborne
  2. James Osborne
  3. Nancy Osborne
  4. Thomas Osborne
  5. William Osborne
  6. Edmund Osborne
  7. Jeremiah Osborne
  8. George Osborne
  9. John Osborne
  10. Zachariah Osborne

Death

23 Apr 1794 is NOT Ephraim's death date. That is the last date he appears in the records. On that date, he was given an exemption from the Montgomery County tax; such exemptions were commonly given to the aged and the infirm, but not the dead. His death date is AFTER 23 Apr 1794.

Dunmore's war aka Battle of Point Pleasant

Record Details
Title
Osborne, Ephraim.
Note(s): :County: Fincastle County. Recorded on: p. 270.
Company commander: Capt. David Looney.
Biographical/Historical Note
Dunmore’s War was a conflict between the Colony of Virginia and the Native Americans of the Ohio Valley. Following increased raids and attacks on frontiersmen in this region, the Royal Governor of Virginia, Lord Dunmore, organized a large force of militia and marched to Fort Pitt arriving at the end of August 1774. Dunmore also ordered Colonel Andrew Lewis, commander of the southwestern Virginia militia, to raise an army in the south and meet Dunmore’s force along the Ohio River. Lewis formed militia companies from Augusta, Bedford, Botetourt, Culpeper, Dunmore, Fincastle, and Kentucky counties. After Colonel Lewis’ victory at the Battle of Point Pleasant, Dunmore successfully negotiated a peace treaty with the Delaware, Mingo, and Shawnee chiefs that prevented them from settling or hunting south of the Ohio River.
Genre Payrolls
Claims Subject: Osborne, Ephraim
Dunmore's Expedition, 1774 -- Registers
Virginia -- History -- Colonial period, ca. 1600-1775 -- Registers
Virginia -- History -- Colonial period, ca. 1600-1775 -- Claims
Looney, David, Capt
Other title: Dunmore's War.
Related Work
Part of the index to the names of Virginia citizens or soldiers from the counties of Augusta, Bedford, Botetourt, Culpeper, and Fincastle who were compensated in 1775 for supplies and service during Dunmore's Expedition in 1774. This index covers individuals from the counties of Augusta, Bedford, Botetourt, and Fincastle only. These records are now part of the Virginia Colonial Government records group (RG#1) and are housed in the Archives at the Library of Virginia.
Additional Format: Available on microfilm (Miscellaneous Reel 78, last item). Photostat copy also available.
Language: English
Contributor: Virginia (Colony). Library of Virginia [13]

Daughters of the American Revolution Records

  • OSBORN, EPHRAIM [14]
  • Ancestor #: A084430
  • Service: VIRGINIA Rank(s): PATRIOTIC SERVICE, PRIVATE
  • Birth: CIRCA 1720
  • Death: 1781 MONTGOMERY CO VIRGINIA
  • Service Source: CRUSH, MONTGOMERY CO VA, THE FIRST HUNDRED YEARS, PP 47, 48, 93
  • Service Description: 1) CAPT ENOCH OSBURN, MONTGOMERY CO MILITIA, 1781 2) SIGNED OATH OF ALLEGIANCE, 1777
  • RESIDENCE: 1) County: MONTGOMERY CO - State: VIRGINIA
  • SPOUSE: 1) X X

Children Listed in the DAR Records

  1. Enoch Osborn married Jane Hash
  2. Solomon Osborn married Nancy Davidson
  3. Elender Osborne

Sources

  1. "One line of descent"
  2. "Outlaws - Inlaws and Everyone in Between", citing 1753 Pension #SB912
  3. "North Carolina, U.S., Compiled Census"
  4. "U.S., Census Reconstructed Records"
  5. "Osborne, Ephraim. N.p. Print."
  6. "Osborne, Ephraim. N.p. Print."
  7. "U.S., Sons of the American Revolution Membership Applications"
  8. "One line of descent"
  9. 9.0 9.1 9.2 according to DAR
  10. " Jeanie (Doran) Bond"
  11. "Information on early Osborne history"
  12. "U.S., Sons of the American Revolution Membership Applications"
  13. "Osborne, Ephraim. N.p. Print."
  14. Daughters of the American Revolution, DAR Genealogical Research Databases, database online, (http://www.dar.org/ : accessed 17 Jan 2021), "Record of Ephraim Osborn", Ancestor # A084430.

See also:

  • FamilySearch Person: L23V-TL8
  • Find a Grave, database and images (accessed 17 November 2020), memorial page for Ephraim Osborne Sr., Find A Grave: Memorial #57075563, citing Osborne Fort Cemetery, Bridle Creek, Grayson County, Virginia, USA ; Maintained by Graveyard Walker (contributor 47314881).
  • Pugh, Danny, The Osborne/Boone Connection
  • Early Osbornes and Alleys with notes on allied families
  • Ancestors of Ronald Mike OSBORNE
    • " Jeanie (Doran) Bond". WikiTree Geneoligist-comments section.
  • "Osborne, Ephraim. N.p. Print." https://lva.primo.exlibrisgroup.com/permalink/01LVA_INST/altrmk/alma990012293970205756.
  • "Information on early Osborne history". "Digging at Fort Osborne Contributed By stanleylroberts1- Document Attached. http://gulahiyi.blogspot.com/2008/07/digging-at-fort-osborne.html ; permission required to access.
  • Genealogy Report: Ancestors of Dallas Howard
  • Osborne Origins, "Ephraim OSBORN-2809"
  • "North Carolina, U.S., Compiled Census" and Census Substitutes Index, 1790-1890; Rowan County Township, Early Tax List, Year1768, Database: NC Early Census Index; Year 1768.
  • Probate Records, 1801-1966; Author: North Carolina. Superior Court (Ashe County); Probate Place: Ashe, North Carolina.
  • "U.S. and International Marriage Records", 1560-1900; Source number: 1225.000; Source type: Electronic Database; Number of Pages: 1; Submitter Code: RSF.
  • "U.S., Census Reconstructed Records", 1660-1820; Document: Tax Records, 1758/1759 [NC State Archives]; Call Number: C.R. 085.701.5; Page Number: 26; Family Number: 42;Year 1760.
  • "Yates Publishing. U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900" [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.
  • "One line of descent", Thomas Alley, Jacob Need and allied lines; Author Flossie Scofield, July 20, 1969.
  • "U.S., Sons of the American Revolution Membership Applications", 1889-1970; Volume: 280: Ephriam Osborne Birth Date 21 Aug 1723: Birth Place Williamsburg, Virginia, USA: Death Date 1779: SAR Membership 55891: Role Ancestor :Application Date 23 May 1944: Spouse Elizabeth Howard: Children Elender Osborne.
  • Ancestry and personal family tree handed down to Alice Long-13520




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Hello,

I am a Sizemore researcher.I believe that Ephraim Osborn-2384 is the son of John Osborne born about 1690 at Henrico Co, VA and who bought 400 acres at Amelia Co VA in 1738 along side the William Sizemore-380 family who also bought there in 1737.

http://www.directlinesoftware.com/Pool/nottoway.txt

This is just WEST of the city of Richmond, VA.

The Sizemore family left there in 1741 to settle at Wynne's Creek, Banister River, Bruswick Co VA, which became Lunenburg Co in 1746, and finally Halifax Co VA in 1752.

I believe the Osborne family also left Amelia Co VA and settled simiarliy with the Sizemore family, and furthermore, when members of the Sizemore family, such as George Sizemore-29 left Virginia to settle at Ashe Co VA, they were still with the same Osborn family.

Ephraim Osborne-2336 married Mary Brock-3920, d/o Susannah Sizemore-2528, d/o Henry Sizemore-691, s/o William Sizemore-380 who bought his land in Amelia Co VA long with John Osborne, as I previously described. Ephraim Osborne-2336, s/o Ephraim Osborne-2384

Sarah A. Sizemore, d/o George Sizemore-29, married Elias Osborne-3911, s/o Jonathan Osborne-1310, s/o Ephraim Osborne-2384

George Sizemore-29, s/o Edward Sizemore-38, s/o Henry Sizemore-691, s/o William Sizemore-380 and Margery Owen-4843

Best regards, Lilly Martin

posted by Lilly Martin
edited by Lilly Martin
Grayson Co. was:

Spotsylvania Co., Orange Co. 1734, Augusta Co. 1738, Botetourt Co. 1770, Fincastle Co. 1772, Montgomery Co. 1776, Wythe Co. 1790, Grayson Co. 1793

Maybe this will help in clearing up some of the facts listed.

Thanks to everyone

posted by Anonymous (Osborne) Crane
edited by Anonymous (Osborne) Crane
Thanks for that!

Fincastle was indeed Virginia. (Text has a ?, presumably as to the location of Fincastle?) The county ceased to exist in 1776 when the counties of Kentucky, Montgomery, and Washington were formed from it. (Source: Virginia Formation Maps)

But... I've never heard of "Black County". The only "Bla..." county on listed on the Virginia Formation Maps page is Bland County, formed from Giles, Tazewell, and Wythe Counties in 1861, so that can't be it.

Wikipedia (article) says Point Pleasant, WV is the seat of Mason County. Mason County's history in Virginia is a bit confusing - it was formed in 1788 from Bourbon County, which had been formed from Fayette County in 1785 (Fayette was one of the three counties that were created from Kentucky County in 1780, which ceased to exist). Those three counties (Fayette, Jefferson, and Lincoln), along with 6 others, including Bourbon and Mason Counties, became the Commonwealth of Kentucky in 1792.

In 1804, a new Mason County, Virginia was created from Kanawha County (source still Virginia Formation Maps).

Space: Virginia Counties and Parishes notes that "there are not two separate Virginia categories for the "pre-KY" & "pre-WV" counties of Fayette, Jefferson, or Mason."

From Category: Mason County, Virginia:

Two Virginia counties by this name existed in different locations (although this single category serves for both of them): Mason County formed in 1788 from Bourbon County, both of which left Virginia in 1792 when the Commonwealth of Kentucky was formed. In 1804, a second county of the name was created from Kanawha County, both of which were among the 50 Virginia counties that became West Virginia in 1863. See the Rootsweb formation maps for Virginia for locations.

From Category: Mason County, West Virginia:

Mason County was first a part of Augusta County, Virginia. Greenbrier County was formed from Augusta, then later Kanawha was formed from Greenbrier.

No mention of a Black County (for Virginia or Category: West Virginia).

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
The Research Notes and comment stream make clear that his origins are disputed. So far as I can tell, there is no reliable source cited in the profile to support the claim that his parents were Jonathan Osborne and Gretta Hollman so I think these parents should be detached (with an explanation of the dispute and link to these profiles added to the Disputed Origins section). If anyone disagrees, please weigh in with a reliable source supporting the connection. Thanks all.
posted by Scott McClain
I'm totally in favor of disconnecting Osborne/Holman from Ephraim, Sr. I've done it several times, but they just keep getting reattached.
posted by Jeanie (Doran) Bond
I would like to dispute birth location as Elizabeth, Union, New Jersey, as no proof has been provided supporting this claim.
posted by Anonymous (Osborne) Crane
edited by Anonymous (Osborne) Crane
Good point. I would suggest that we change his birth date to "before 1725" (estimate based on DOB of oldest known child) and remove the location. I also propose to detach the parents. If anyone objects, please weigh in and cite a source supporting these claims.
posted by Scott McClain
This profile has a large number of profile managers; I plan to remove inactive managers. Please reply if you are interested in remaining an active manager of the profile (responding to merge requests, etc.). All current managers will remain on the trusted list.
posted by Scott McClain
I wish to remain an active profile manager.
posted by Jeanie (Doran) Bond
I also want to remain a profile manager
posted by Herbert Wolfe Jr.
Ephraim Osborne is my direct line, and I would like to remain a profile manager.
posted by Nancy Osborn
Hello, you have his wife as "Elizabeth Hannah Melvina Wells (Howard) Osborne" (in the notes)

This woman was never married to Thomas Wells of Maryland. and her parents are unknown. Thomas outlived the Elizabeth Howard that he married and she is buried in Maryland. Can this please be removed?

posted by Kathy (Thomas) Sexton
I have removed that reference to the disputed spouse, which was unsourced. If anyone disagrees, please provide a source for the claim.
posted by Scott McClain
Hi,

Could someone please remove Elizabeth Osborne(?) who supposedly married William Ball as a daughter of Ephraim Osborne. They is absolutely no evidence of this.

By contrast there IS DNA evidence that she was instead Elizabeth Debord.

Steve Freeman

posted by Stephen Freeman
I have removed her and added a disputed child section in the Research Notes. It does not appear that there is any source cited for any of the 7 children listed in the bio, nor for the 14 additional children still attached but not listed in the bio. Can anyone add a source or sources for the actual children of this Ephraim so we can clean this up?
posted by Scott McClain
All,

I took a look at the Wiki-Tree 'Reliable Sources' page and then took the initiative to move all the listed unreliable sources to a new category in the profile "See Also".

Before making any changes, I also read most of the comments, the change log (whew!), the sources listed, Ancestry.com, FamilySearch, Google, various web sites, G2G, etc.

I am not confident that what I did was a 100% correct and welcome any scrutiny to ensure we get this right. I am just trying to get a handle on this challenging profile.

So if you see a 'Reliable Source' under the 'See Also' heading feel free to move it and vice versa. This profile organization is taking days and I welcome help.

Please re read the Pre-1700 Self Certification guidelines and the Reliable Sources (which includes a list of unreliable sources) before moving it will literally help all of us be on the same page (pun intended).

I also want to say that all of the work each of you has contributed is value added. I am optimistic that Wiki-Tree is working as designed, i.e. one profile with many contributors, to get it right. It will take time. Maybe more time than our lifespans, but I'm confident in time we will achieve an accurate profile for Ephraim Osborne (Osburn, Osborn, etc.) for our descendants.

Off the soap box.

Just found a great Wiki-Tree source page for us: Space:US_Southern_Colonies_Project_Reliable_Sources

posted by Kim (Kroesing) Marcus M.S.
edited by Kim (Kroesing) Marcus M.S.
If you read the reliable sources and all the notes, why did you add back the Johnathan Osborne/Gretta Holman junk?
posted by Jeanie (Doran) Bond
"23 Apr 1794 is NOT Ephraim's death date. That is the last date he appears in the records. On that date, he was given an exemption from the Montgomery

County tax; such exemptions were commonly given to the aged and the infirm, but not the dead. His death date is AFTER 23 Apr 1794."

Shouldn't this be here in the comments instead of the body of the profile? It doesn't add to his profile and detracts from a smooth reading of what we do know. With so many managers wouldn't be helpful to come up with a few basic rules about what to post in the actual profile and use these notes to discuss things that may be unproven but of interest.

Just suggestions...I worked on "best documentation practices" at Chrysler before retiring. It's spilling over, LoL.

Kim

Thank you for your comment, Kim, because I agree that we should "use the notes to discuss things that may be unproven," but it is a fact that he died AFTER 23 Apr 1794 and a "smooth reading" is irrelevant when weighed against the facts.
posted by Jeanie (Doran) Bond
Jeanie,

It looks like you have a significant investment in Ephraim. Is there any record that supports him dyeing after 1796? I am wading through all the text in an effort to validate his death date. There is a DAR record, which records 1779 as his death date.

Are we still saying his Mother is not Greta Hollman?

So, do you know where the date in the record below came from?

"U.S., Sons of the American Revolution Membership Applications", 1889-1970; Volume: 280: Ephriam Osborne Birth Date 21 Aug 1723: Birth Place Williamsburg, Virginia, USA: Death Date 1779: SAR Membership 55891: Role Ancestor :Application Date 23 May 1944: Spouse Elizabeth Howard: Children Elender Osborne.

Have these profiles Osborne-2384 and Osborne-4429 been merged now? It looks like it. I can see in the change notes that someone adds or suggests something and you continually refute or undo a change. I certainly don't want to step on toes of an expert.

Jeanie, how would you feel about moving all the DAR information in his profile to the bottom and use the heading =Research Notes= to make the profile more readable?

It's a fun mystery. How are all the manager working together? Do you all agree on the details in this profile.

Very interested.

Another Kin...

Kim

This link is not readable...may it be removed or moved to another location....it is a blog post that is private. I believe the actual story has been uploaded to the profile. We could let people reference that and remove the dead link.

posted by Kim (Kroesing) Marcus M.S.
edited by Kim (Kroesing) Marcus M.S.
Jeanie,

I found several sources that I added and will try to find a few more to support the bio area of this profile. I also re-arranged it a bit for the important to me flow of reading. Such a fascinating man with so much history. I love the narrative you wrote. You should add yourself as a source and then add a citation there. First hand narratives are great. I know you will undo what ever you don't like so I went for it. Not done yet.

Kim

Much to my dismay, you've added the information from the SAR application from 1944. Please read my reply to you, items #3, #4, #5. And please stop editing when you don't have trusted sources.
posted by Jeanie (Doran) Bond
1. I do have a lot invested and so does Ginger Ballard, now deceased, who was a tireless researcher for the folks who trace to Grayson County Virginia. It is in her memory that I've tried to keep Gretta Holman OUT of this family. See New River Notes.

2. The only record for Ephraim's death is quoted in Rita Kennedy-Sutton's "Early Osborns and Alleys, compiled from 1965 to 1973 and available from the Sutro Library through your local library." She says, "On April 23rd 1794, Ephraim Osborn senr. was exempted from paying the county levy. (Grayson Co. Va. Order Bk. 1—43) This is the last entry found in his name in the records of Montgomery or Grayson Co. Efforts to trace his children by land descent have failed completely." I've not seen this actual document, but Kennedy-Sutton has proved worthy of trust.

3. The DAR and SAR applications prior to 1985, when more stringent proofs were put in place, must be treated with great skepticism. If the applicant has actually attached records, okay, but if not, look elsewhere. As a first step to making my own DAR application I had to see if anyone else had proven my line. When DAR National sent me what they thought was my line, the 'evidence' was a vanity biography written, in 1935, by a man seeking election to a large city council in. The application contained absolutely no documentation other than the publisher's page of this bogus book.

4. Gretta Holman is a real person who had real children, one of whom was named Ephraim and he was born on August 21, 1723 in Williamsburg. 1723 Ephraim is not the one who owned an ordinary in Virginia. "From Ginger Ballard E-Mail dated: 10Feb2010: In the 1950s the tradition in Grayson was that the Osbornes had come from New Jersey.  Some twenty-five years later when I first got interested in researching the family myself I almost immediately tripped over the claim that he was the son of Jonathan Osborne and Gretta Hollman of Williamsburg.  However, I couldn't find anyone with actual evidence of this.  I eventually mailed out sixty-some letters to folks who had made this claim in LDS records.  Not one could substantiate the claim although one person responded that "everyone knew" this.  I did manage to locate a known descendant of Jonathan and Gretta  who denied that Ephraim was their son." She is referring to the 'evidence' obtained by a crooked researcher hired by Will Daniel, a VA attorney, in the mid 1940s.

5. See #3 and #4 above: Bogus research used by attorney Will Daniel in 1944 or 45

6. If you can help in this matter, step away! and toes be damned! Some people think that if a thing is said often enough, then it must be true. More than a million people in the world believe that the earth is flat. It is not! And Gretta is NOT Ephraim's mother no matter how many records it's found in. And the problem with merging profiles is that those merges bring along descendants who may not be such. What's another wife or two? He's got all these children, perhaps a few more won't be noticed and we can hang another ornament on the family tree. ARGH!!

7. I think moving the DAR stuff to the bottom of the page with a warning that anything prior to 1985 for the DAR and prior to 1995 for the SAR is suspect and requires actual supporting documents.

8. Obviously, we managers do not agree. Which manager, for instance add "Washington" to Ephraims's name?? Who added a photograph?? Washington was a nobody when Ephraim was born and photography was not invented until the 1840's. YIKES!!

9. A NOTE FOR ALL: With my documents (wills, land, census, pension), I was, in 1984 able to establish that Alvin Osborn was a descendant of Jonathan Osborn, thereby allowing about 1000 people to join the DAR using my member number and proving a familial relationship. BUT NOW, with DNA evidence, I know I'm descended from Ephraim's ancestor Thomas Osborne of New Haven. CT. But I'm not a PERFECT match to known descendants of Ephraim's son Jonathan (1753-1834), but I AM A PERFECT MATCH for the descendants of his Uncle Robert who also lived in the Yadkin Valley, but immigrated to TN/KY instead of VA.

10. NOTE This place has become no better than Rootsweb which is a documentary nightmare. The flat-earthers have taken over genealogy Kim, if you can fix this please do, if you can't, I give up!! Jeanie

posted by Jeanie (Doran) Bond
edited by Jeanie (Doran) Bond
Thank you. I've worked hard all day. I will review everything you have offered ASAP. Let me know if you are okay with the direction of the profile. Readability really is important. I have a lot of experience of organizing information and only want to help us create a profile worthy of this man and contributions he has made. In addition, I have read through the change log and realize how much effort you and several others have made.

I hope my contributions are helping.

Kim

Jeanie,

Thanks for all the effort you put into your response to my questions. Truly above and beyond.

I found Space:US_Southern_Colonies_Project_Reliable_Sources and asked a few questions. The responses echoed your #7. suggestion. I just wanted to let you know I will begin to put notes in place like you suggested. It may take me a few days...lots going on.

Thanks for all your help. Stay patient.

Kim

Seriously, "Washington" has to go, from Ephraim, his son, grandson... I haven't seen the name in anything nearing a primary source until Ephraim V.
posted by Ryan Torchia
I just removed the "Washington" middle name for the umpteenth time. Now, if I could just figure out how to make UNKNOWN and his father into REAL people we might be able to get rid of the Johnathan Osborn/Gretta Holman connection.
posted by Jeanie (Doran) Bond
No. By putting this in the profile, it prevents people simply using that has his birthdate. The date should never be mentioned without the caveat of "AFTER"
posted by Jeanie (Doran) Bond
Wading in to controversy...so tax records (added to sources) show that Ephraim was in Rowan County, North Caroline from 1760 to 1768. This contradicts the statement

"In 1757 or 1761, he moved from Rowan County, NC to Grayson County, Va. This information comes from his son Jonathan's Rev. War. Pension. In 1766, Ephraim and his family were in Fincastle County, Virginia."

So I adjusted the statement to "after 1768..."

Also, found and added a marriage record to Elizabeth Howard date 1740.

Finally, I also added a SAR application record with the following details.

  • U.S., Sons of the American Revolution Membership Applications, 1889-1970; Volume: 280: Ephriam Osborne Birth Date 21 Aug 1723: Birth Place Williamsburg, Virginia, USA: Death Date 1779: SAR Membership 55891: Role Ancestor :Application Date 23 May 1944: Spouse Elizabeth Howard: Children Elender Osborne.

It may be you all have seen and rejected these. If so please let me know.

I removed the 'unsourced' flag too.

Kim DNA proven kin

posted by Kim (Kroesing) Marcus M.S.
edited by Kim (Kroesing) Marcus M.S.
There is no contradiction if Ephraim is NOT Jonathan's father. OR is the date on the tax records is incorrect. OR if Ephraim continued to OWN property in NC while living in VA... a very common practice.
posted by Jeanie (Doran) Bond
Osborne-4429 and Osborne-2384 appear to represent the same person because: Listed as siblings. Same person.
Osborne-8864 and Osborne-2384 appear to represent the same person because: same dates, wife and children
posted by Robin Lee
Osborne-5101 and Osborne-2384 appear to represent the same person because: These two are duplicated profiles. Please merge. Dates, family, locations, are all the same. If rejecting merge, please explain why they should not be merged.
posted by Karen (Rollet) Lorenz
Osborne-5101 and Osborne-2384 do not represent the same person because: Parentage is currently unknown
posted by Susan Quinn
Osborne-5101 and Osborne-2384 appear to represent the same person because: same name, data and family. Only need one profile per person on WikiTree
posted by Patricia Roche
They are NOT the same person. The parentage of Osborne-2384 is currently UNKNOWN.
posted by Jeanie (Doran) Bond
Once again, I've removed Johnathan Osborn and Gretta Holman as parents of this particular Ephraim. THEY ARE NOT HIS PARENTS. The son of Johnathan and Gretta and their son who was born 21 Aug 1723 are not the same person. I set Osborne-2182 is a place marker for the for, as yet unknown, father of Ephraim Osborn [Osborne-2384].  We have strong DNA evidence that Ephraim Osborne (Osborne-2384)  is descended from Thomas Osborne-335 and his wife Mary Goatley.  

We do know, however, that Ephraim is not descended from Jonathan Osborne-159 who is the son of James Osborne-55  and grandson of John Osborne-347, all of whom were born in England.  The  great grandfather of Osborne-2182, Thomas, came to America in the 1640’s bringing three of his sons with him and that the balance of his descendants were born in America NOT England. The father and grandfather of Ephraim Osborne-2384 was born in New England not Old England.

posted by Jeanie (Doran) Bond
This is a total mess! I am a double Osborn/Osborne and have worked extensively on those lines. This Ephraim is my 6th Great Grandfather and his son Capt Enoch Osborne is my 5th. If you are going to change the parents, wouldn't it be wise to change the children? This Ephraim Osborne's parents are Jonathan Osborne and Gretta Holman, according to the children listed. Look at the DAR. OSBORN, EPHRAIM Ancestor #: A084430

Service: VIRGINIA Rank(s): PATRIOTIC SERVICE, PRIVATE Birth: CIRCA 1720 Death: 1781 MONTGOMERY CO VIRGINIA Service Source: CRUSH, MONTGOMERY CO VA, THE FIRST HUNDRED YEARS, PP 47, 48, 93 Service Description: 1) CAPT ENOCH OSBURN, MONTGOMERY CO MILITIA, 1781 2) SIGNED OATH OF ALLEGIANCE, 1777

I have an Old letter from a relative that she wrote many years ago on the Family Lineage. This is one reason that I will not share my precious information with everyone. I have Ephraim in my maternal line of Thomas & Mary Goatley, and Ephraim on my paternal line of Jonathan and Greta Holman. This particular Ephraim, his parents are Jonathan Osborne & Greta Holman according to Capt Enoch and other Children as listed. Ephraim Osborne B:21 Aug 1723 Williamsburg, York County, Virginia, USA

D:23 Apr 1794 Independence, Grayson, Virginia, USA

Ephraim Osborne Find A Grave Index Name: Ephraim Osborne Event Type: Burial Event Date: 1794 Event Place: Bridle Creek, Grayson, Virginia, United States of America Photograph Included: N Birth Date: 21 Aug 1723 Death Date: 23 Apr 1794 Affiliate Record Identifier: 57075563 Cemetery: Osborne Fort Cemetery

I will be glad to share either Osborn/Osborne line with you to straighten out this mess!

posted by Nancy Osborn
edited by Nancy Osborn
Hi Nancy,

Maybe you have noticed me working a bit on Ephraim's profile. Like you, I see lots of opportunity for improvement. Please review some of the changes and suggestions I have made. I will keep working to add sources and clean up the profile. Let me know if there is a particular area you are an expert in, please. Lots of folks have made major contributions. However, the sources to support the material isn't easy to follow.

Thanks

Kim

The connection between this Ephraim and Gretta and Jonathan is based on bogus research. Look at my post quoting Ginger Ballard who tried unsuccessfully to link them with Enoch.
posted by Jeanie (Doran) Bond
Osborne-4429 and Osborne-2384 do not represent the same person because: Genetic evidence is that Ephraim born about 1720 was born in NJ descendended from grand parents born in England. There is no evidence that Gretta Holman ever existed, but less was related to the Jonathan Osborn who was born in "Forks of the Yadkin" in 1753.
posted by Jeanie (Doran) Bond
Osborne-4429 and Osborne-2384 appear to represent the same person because: same parents, dates on 4429 are just guesses
posted by Robin Lee
Osborne-2384 and Osborne-8284 appear to represent the same person because: Same person.
posted on Osborne-8284 (merged) by Anonymous (Osborne) Crane
Please post your source, DNA documentation,

for review. Thanks

posted on Osborne-4429 (merged) by Anonymous (Osborne) Crane
Osborne-2384 and Osborne-4429 do not represent the same person because: DNA of documented descendants suggests that Ephraim (c1720- AFTER 1790) is the grandson of James Osborne who was born in Suffolk County, NY, and died in Elizabeth, Union County, New Jersey. This also jibes with family tradition that this particular branch of Ozburns (as listed on the tax rolls) came from New Jersey. With no mention of Virginia relatives.
posted on Osborne-4429 (merged) by Jeanie (Doran) Bond
Two secondary sources indicate Ephraim died after 23 Apr 1794 (FindAGrave & Osborne-origins, each of which reference different info), perhaps as late as 1810.
posted by Don Osborn
I found an SAR application at this site pasted below. If you are an Ancestry member you should be able to see that, while there are actual records referenced as to Ephraim's military service there are NO ACTUAL RECORDS associated with his marriage to Elizabeth Howard. I think we should let the Elizabeth stay, but help me look for proof, please. Who added Melvina? Evidence for Melvina?

https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/2204/32596_242505-00230?pid=1188774&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db%3DSARMemberApps%26h%3D1188774%26indiv%3Dtry%26o_vc%3DRecord:OtherRecord%26rhSource%3D7836&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true#?imageId=32596_242505-00232 [edit/delete]

posted by Jeanie (Doran) Bond
Hi again, I retrieved the source citation for the link you provided above. It is a different SAR application from the earlier one I found. I added to the list of sources. I also grabbed screen shots of the actual document if you want a copy message me with an email address that I can attach the files too. They are copyrighted.
  • Ancestry.com. U.S., Sons of the American Revolution Membership Applications, 1889-1970 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011. Original data:Sons of the American Revolution Membership Applications, 1889-1970. Louisville, Kentucky: National Society of the Sons of the American Revolution. Microfilm, 508 rolls.
posted by Kim (Kroesing) Marcus M.S.
edited by Kim (Kroesing) Marcus M.S.
The SAR app is based on bogus research. Search this page on "Will Daniel"

There is no actual evidence for ANY marriage to Ephraim. It was SUPPOSED by Kennedy-Sutton in Early Osborns and Alleys that such a marriage MIGHT have taken place.

posted by Jeanie (Doran) Bond
There is a genetic connection between Ephraim, brother of Caleb, and the immigrants from Ashford, Kent, England, Thomas Osborne and Mary Goatley, not Jonathan Osborne and Gretta Hollman. 11 Generations to the First Immigrant Osborn Grayson Genealogy, Grayson County, Virginia Heritage Foundation Inc.
posted by Sheri Havens
YAY!! At last a voice of reason and EVIDENCE!!
posted by Jeanie (Doran) Bond
I gave up a long time ago trying to keep people from merging people who were NOT the same person. This branch of Osborn's has become as useful as a trash heap due to Wiki insisting on merges were no evidence exists and not making it easier to REMOVE merges. Sheri Havens' comment is so apropos. There is no evidence that Ephraim was ever married to ANY Howard, let alone Hannah. If there is, I've never seen it. And no one seems able to remove the photo of Ephraim. This Ephraim was long dead before photography was even invented.
posted by Jeanie (Doran) Bond
Someone needs to clean up this family most profiles are a mess.
posted by Sheri Havens
This information on the Brock-Osborne origins may not be correct. The Brock line was Jewish-Spanish and his wife, Susan Caroline Davis (of the Sizemore household) may not have been full-blooded Cherokee. The Sizemore's were proven not to be of Cherokee origin. Son Jesse was thought to be 3/4 Am. Indian, but married

Rebecca Howard. One would have to prove Aaron's wife was Am. Indian.

posted by Susan Quinn
After looking at this more closely, I find that there was a European Sizemore lineage and an American Indian or Cherokee Sizemore lineage who intermarried with some of the Osborne offspring in Ashe, North Carolina. It is thought that some of the Cherokee brides may also have had some unknown European ancestry. The Brock line was found to be of Jewish and Spanish descent. Aaron Brock's wife, Susan Caroline Davis, was thought to be part Cherokee with some unknown European ancestors. She was associated with the George Sizemore family, who are thought to have a Cherokee lineage. Other marriages linked to the Osborne's and Sizemore's were Bolling, Bowling, Blevins, and Couch.
posted by Susan Quinn
It turns out that Elizabeth Howard WELLS is NOT the same person as Elizabeth Howard Osborne.

Please read this From James Quinn, researcher for New River Notes and Grayson County Virginia Historical Foundation has this to say in his "Obornes" or "William Herbert's Militia." "Ephraim's wife was named Betty (Elizabeth). Some oral histories (e.g. Osbornes of Harlan Co., KY) say she was a Howard. She is not Elizabeth WELLS Howard. The Elizabeth Howard who married a Wells and is mentioned in Joshua Howard's will is documented to have stayed married to Mr. Wells in Maryland having many children there and never went to North Carolina."

posted by Jeanie (Doran) Bond
Osborne-4906 and Osborne-2384 appear to represent the same person because: These are clearly the same people. Same wives, very similar birth/death dates.
posted by Summer (Binkley) Orman
They are not the same person. Osborne-2182 is a place marker for the, as yet unknown, father of Ephraim Osborn [Osborne-2384].  We have strong DNA evidence that Ephraim Osborne (Osborne-2384)  is descended from Thomas Osborne-335 and his wife Mary Goatley.  

We do know, however, that Ephraim is not descended from Jonathan Osborne-159 who is the son of James Osborne-55  and grandson of John Osborne-347, all of whom were born in England.  While the  great grandfather of Osborne-2182, Thomas, came to America in the 1640’s bringing three of his sons with him and that the balance of his descendants were born in America NOT England.

posted by Jeanie (Doran) Bond
Osborne-2384 and Osborne-4429 do not represent the same person because: Osborne-4429 IS NOT THE FATHER OF Enoch, Solomon, Robert, or Jonathan (1753-1830). and should NEVER be merged with Osborne-2384.

There is NO EVIDENCE that Osborne-4429 was married. There is especially no evidence that he was married to Elizabeth Howard.

posted on Osborne-4429 (merged) by Jeanie (Doran) Bond
Osborne-4429 IS NOT THE FATHER OF Enoch, Solomon, Robert, or Jonathan (1753-1830). and NEVER be merged with Osborne-2384.

There is NO EVIDENCE that Osborne-4429 was married. There is especially no evidence that he was married to Elizabeth Howard.

posted on Osborne-4429 (merged) by Jeanie (Doran) Bond
Do you accept the record found on Ancestry.com ?

--> "U.S. and International Marriage Records", 1560-1900; Source number: 1225.000; Source type: Electronic Database; Number of Pages: 1; Submitter Code: RSF.

I recently found and added it. It list both Ephraim Osborne and Elizabeth Howard married year 1740.

No. I do not accept the International Marriage Records. I've requested copies of these certificates and they are, at best, a family group sheet with the marriage date being 9 months before the first child and at worst for a completely different individual. A request for Jonathan's (1753-1830) produced one for a Jonathan born 1820. Request a copy of the evidence before accepting these records.
posted by Jeanie (Doran) Bond
Is there any evidence for the wife of Ephraim?

If not, then suggest we merge all these duplicates into one, and re-name it Unknown (with a comprehensive bio and all the alternate names as "other names" to prevent more duplicates)

What does everyone think of this idea?

posted by Cynthia (Billups) B
Cynthia, if you are still following this...there is a record that I found of his marriage to Elizabeth Howard and Ephraim Osborne date 1740 on Ancestry.

"U.S. and International Marriage Records", 1560-1900; Source number: 1225.000; Source type: Electronic Database; Number of Pages: 1; Submitter Code: RSF.

I have added it the sources in his profile.

The U.S. and International Marriage Records citation, without the actual document is worse than useless, it's misleading. I've requested copies of these certificates and they are, at best, a family group sheet with the marriage date being 9 months before the first child and at worst they are for completely different individuals. A request for Jonathan's (1753-1830) produced one for a Jonathan born 1820. Request a copy of the evidence before accepting these records.
posted by Jeanie (Doran) Bond