Bégon (Paris) de Paris (abt. 760 - 816)

Born about 0760 in Paris, Île-de-France, France

Husband of Luitgarde Martel — married [date unknown] in DISPUTED

Descendants

Died 0816 at about age 56 in Paris, Île-de-France, France

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Marriage

m.1 (disputed)[2]^[2]

m.2 Alpais (793/4 - Jul 852 or later; p. Louis I and unknown mistress). Issue: 3[3]

• Luithard[4]
• Eberhard[5]
• Susanna (b. 805/10)[6]^[3][4]

Titles

• Count of Toulouse 806
• 806: Marquis de Septimanie[7]
• Duke of Aquitaine 806
• Margrave of the Hispanic March 806
• 815: Count of Paris[8]
• Chamberlain of Louis of Aquitaine in 776.
• Bego II.

Research Notes

STATUS OF DEBATE by Curators Justin, Pam, Ben, Sharon (DISCUSSION INVITED) - Jan 2011

10th Century chronicler, Flodoard is a primary source, while Cawley and Settipani secondary - with conflicting conclusions. Settipani (arguing for Charlemagne's daughter), contradicts Flodoard (arguing for Louis' daughter), based on consideration of other primary sources (which we haven't found). Cawley appears most likely to dominate based on crowd-sourced Internet data.

MY (Sharon) STRATEGIC SOLUTION HAS BEEN TO INSERT BEGUE in ALL 3 POSITIONS, & TRY TO USE THE CURATOR NOTE TO AVOID MERGES BETWEEN THEM.

The Problem of Count Begue & his 3 possible wives Count Beggo has 2 (or 3) equally likely wives according to original sources – but sharing descendents Luithard, Eberhard, Susanna:

Either his wife (and mother of these 3 kids) was Charlemagne’s daughter:

• 1) Alpaida (by Amaltrude), or
• 2) Amaudra (by Himiltrude) - less convincingly sourced than the other two, at the moment, or she was Charlemagne’s granddaughter:
• 3) Alpais (through his son, Louis I)

(Sharon's) SOLUTION HAS BEEN TO INSERT BEGUE in ALL 3 POSITIONS, & TRY TO USE THE CURATOR NOTE TO AVOID MERGES BETWEEN THEM.

Sources

1. ↑ [1]
2. ↑ Settipani discusses paternity of Alpais, preferring Charles I as her father. If Louis was her father, it is unlikely that she was born before 793/4, since he was born in 778. It would therefore be chronologically tight for her to have had 3 kids with her husband before his death in 816.

   Sharon’s Note: Not really – it makes her 23yrs old when he dies. Charlemagne’s wife Hildegard had 9 children by the time she died at 23 or 24yrs. However, no indication has been found in primary sources of the ages of these children when their father died. The question of her paternity is obviously not beyond doubt, but it is felt preferable to show her as the probable daughter of Emperor Louis in view of the clear statement in Flodoard. If Alpais was the daughter of Emperor Louis, it is likely that she was not her husband's only wife in view of his estimated birth date. After her husband died, she became abbess of Saint-Pierre-le-Bas at Reims in 817. She was still there 29 May 852.

3. ↑ The main difference from Werner's reconstruction is that Hlawitschka has Susanna as the child of Bego by a first marriage and not by Alpais. That Bego had such a marriage is highly likely since he was 45/50 by the time of his marriage with Alpais. It is also certain that Susanna was Bego's daughter. If Susanna had been the daughter of Alpais then the marriage of Susanna's granddaughter, Adelheid, to Louis the Stammerer would have been within the prohibited degrees (4:2 through Louis the Pious).
4. ↑ "primary source establishing Susanna as Bego's daughter of Bego not identified. "Vulfardus" donated property to Saint-Benoît-sur-Loire for the souls of "genitoris mei Vulfardi et genetrice mea Susannane necnon et germanorum fratrum meorum Adelardo, Vulgrino, Ymo et sorore mee Hildeburga vel nepote meo Vulgrino" by charter dated 2 Nov 889[72]. m ([825/30]) VULFHARD, son of ---" (Cawley, 2006).

See also:

• Annales Hildesheimenses
• Cawley, C. (2006). Medieval Lands v.3. fmg.ac
• Flodoard
• Weis, F.L. (1992). Ancestral Roots, (7th ed). N.p.
• Wikipedia: Beggo, Count of Toulouse; [[Wikipedia:fr: Bégon de Paris]