Husband of
Judith Holland (Devour) Penn
— married
11 Feb 1703 in All Hallows Parish Church, South River Hundred, Anne Arundel County, Province of Maryland
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Disputed Origins
The parents shown here have been identified on various family trees, but I have not seen credible proof of their accuracy. One source for an Edward Penn, son of William, is identified below under the heading Birth. There is, however, a serious conflict with the William shown here as his father. According to the profile for William Penn, he died in 1669. roughly 12 years before the estimated birth birth date given for the Edward Penn profiled here. It may be that one date or the other is in error, but no definitive proof that William Penn is his father has been found at this time.
Wikitreer Laura Lorenzana has suggested that his father may have been Edward Penn and a London christening record in the right time frame for Edward, son of Edward, has been found. Unfortunately, that record cannot by itself be clearly identified as the Edward profiled here.
After a brief correspondence with Laura, we have both concluded that Edward's parentage is not yet clearly documented.
As she said in our exchange, we may be waiting for an as yet undiscovered document to clarify this.
Eventually, someone may find it necessary to disconnect the questionable parents currently shown here. In the meantime, anyone having further information regarding his origins is more than welcome to join the conversation.
Notes
Some records of Edward Penn, available for photo duplication at the Maryland State Archives:
SPECIAL COLLECTIONS (All Hallows Parish) Register 1669-1721, Original, p. 26 Edward Penn and Judith Deavour, marriage 11 February 1703 [MdHR 12,200, 0-8-2-3].
ANNE ARUNDEL (Deeds) Rd #1, Edward Penn, Feb. 17, 1728 pp. 120-125, 129-133 [MdHR 4780;. Location: 1-1-6-14.
PREROGATIVE COURT (Wills) 22 [MdHR 1300;1-11-1-27], pp. 372-373 Edward Penn, 12 August 1741.
SERNO: S538. PREROGATIVE COURT (Wills)22, pp. 372-373 Edward Penn, 1741 [MdHR 1300, 1-11-1-27].
SERNO: S534. PREROGATIVE COURT (Inventories)26, pp. 559-561 Edward Penn, 1742 [MdHR 1133, 1-11-5-15].
The Archives are searchable online, but unfortunately don't allow the search to be restricted to a date range. Many other "Edward Penn" records can be found, but dates show that many of them are not the Edward profiled here.
Birth
One of the merged profiles gave 1683, Pennsylvania for his birth, without source citation. I have seen nothing to support any known birth date/place.
Ancestry.com has a record of an Edward Penn, bapt. 8 Mar 1680, Harbury, Warwickshire, England (father, William, mother's name not given), but it is not possible to know that it refers to this Edward. Original data: Warwickshire Anglican Registers. Warwick, England: Warwickshire County Record Office.
Better sources are needed for this and most other facts of Edward's life.
SPECIAL COLLECTIONS (All Hallows Parish) Register 1669-1721, Original, p. 26 Edward Penn and Judith Deavour, marriage 11 February 1703 [MdHR 12,200, 0-8-2-3].
The above is a record of a request for photoduplication, so a copy of the original is available from the Archives.
Sources
Source: S7FindAGrave.com. This gives substantially different information than shown on this profile, but provides no source citations. For example, birth date differs, gives a different maiden name for his wife, gives his mother's name as Lucy (poss. nickname?). Includes biographical information but, again, without any sources.
Source: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975. FamilySearch.org. Edward Penn, 14 Feb 1680; citing , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 374,334. Possible record of his father being Edward also.
Source: S31 Personal Individual Genealogy: Descendants of William Penn. The exact date of death is from here. The other site gives just 1741. The date, however, is without a source citation, and therefore uncertain. This gives his wife's name as Judith Holland Deavor. Other sources give Judith Holland or Judith Devour.
WikiTree profile Penn-186 created through the import of Remus Wikitree.ged on Feb 12, 2012 by Fred Remus. See the Changes page for details of edits.
WikiTree profile Penn-536 was created through the import of McLehaney 2014-06-27.ged on Jun 27, 2014 by Thomas Mclehaney. See the Changes page for details of edits.
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In my research to nail down a John Penn, immigrant to give rise to the main line in Virginia, I was aware of the Edward Penn who arrived nearly at the same time in Maryland. Following the same procedure as I had with John Penn, I combed through online British parish records narrowed down to baptisms from 1660 to 1680 for Penns with the name Edward. All of the Edward Penns baptized during this time I found maintained a presence in their birth parish over the next two and three decades EXCEPT for the Edward Penn baptised 11 June 1671 at St. Mary, Putney, Surrey, England. In these cases, before assiduously-kept ship passenger lists existed, one is forced to accept circumstantial evidence, as with John Penn in Virginia, I think though for those of you connected to the Edward of Maryland that Edward Penn baptized at Putney might be a lead for you.
Why is it thought that William Penn (founder of Pennsylvania) died in 1669 when all of the contemporaneous academic resources (2023) agree that he died in 1718?
If Edward Penn was born in 1683, he could certainly be a child of William Penn and Gulielma Maria Posthuma Springett. Is the wikipedia entry for William Penn up for debate? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Penn
Seems his lineage is fairly well-documented.
Gulielma Maria (23 January 1673 – 17 May 1673)
William and Mary (or Maria Margaret) (twins) (born February 1674 and died May 1674 and December 1674)
Springett (25 January 1675 – 10 April 1696)
Letitia (1 March 1678 – 6 April 1746), who married William Awbrey (Aubrey)
William, Jr. (14 March 1681 – 23 June 1720)
Unnamed child (born March 1683 and died April 1683)
Gulielma Maria (November 1685–November 1689)
But I agree, to date, there is no clear data (at least that I've found) to show that Edward was a child of William.
The source listed for the son Edward, b. 1705 list Edward (this profile) as having a wife named Mary, a father named Edward, and a mother named Elizabeth.
Either that source is wrong for this profile - and if it is, then Edward the son should not be attached to this profile, or this profile has the wrong spouse and the wrong parents.
"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NP9S-22T : 11 February 2018, Edward Penn in entry for Mary Penn, 28 Jan 1705); citing , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 560,372.
From History of Maryland from the earliest period to present day; by John Piet 1879 386:387
Edward Penn listed as purchaser for several; in the "A list of Rebbells transported in the Shipp the Friendship of Belfast, Michael Mankin, Commander, the 20th of August, 1716
Apologies for the slightly cryptic note; just wanted to find out if this was being actively managed. I worked with a Penn descendant about 20 years ago who'd researched this connection (Edward/Jane as parents of this Edward); unfortunately she's passed and I don't have her primary research. I do know she was a genealogist in the truest sense; she chided me about my supposition I was directly related to William Penn (the founder of PA), not so gently explaining that he had no American descendants. I do believe that it is far more likely the christening record was for this Edward Penn and that his father is the son of William (Penn-50) as it's simply not possible for him to have had a child AFTER his death. Perhaps someone on the England side can find the marriage of Edward/Jane?
I see the timeline problem. Can you give me a source for Edward being his father? In a quick search, I came up with this christening record from London: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NL2T-QBD
It's dated 14 Feb 1680 and gives his parents as Edward Penn and Jane. Trouble is, I can't say confidently that the child being christened is this Edward Penn. I also don't know how you arrived at his father's name also being Edward. Can you help?
Having researched this family for about 20 years, I'm convinced that there is a generation missing from this family. Edward Penn born c. 1683 who died 1741 was the son of EDWARD, not William. This would be impossible, as William Penn-50 died in 1669, 14 years before the birth of this Edward. Thank you for making the correction.
Example: https://www.britannica.com/biography/William-Penn-English-Quaker-leader-and-colonist US Library of Congress: https://oll.libertyfund.org/person/william-penn
If Edward Penn was born in 1683, he could certainly be a child of William Penn and Gulielma Maria Posthuma Springett. Is the wikipedia entry for William Penn up for debate? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Penn Seems his lineage is fairly well-documented.
Under the family section, there's a gap from 1681 to 1685 where there certainly could have been an additional child born to the couple: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Penn#Family
Gulielma Maria (23 January 1673 – 17 May 1673) William and Mary (or Maria Margaret) (twins) (born February 1674 and died May 1674 and December 1674) Springett (25 January 1675 – 10 April 1696) Letitia (1 March 1678 – 6 April 1746), who married William Awbrey (Aubrey) William, Jr. (14 March 1681 – 23 June 1720) Unnamed child (born March 1683 and died April 1683) Gulielma Maria (November 1685–November 1689)
But I agree, to date, there is no clear data (at least that I've found) to show that Edward was a child of William.
edited by Linda Caplinger
Either that source is wrong for this profile - and if it is, then Edward the son should not be attached to this profile, or this profile has the wrong spouse and the wrong parents.
"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NP9S-22T : 11 February 2018, Edward Penn in entry for Mary Penn, 28 Jan 1705); citing , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 560,372.
Edward Penn listed as purchaser for several; in the "A list of Rebbells transported in the Shipp the Friendship of Belfast, Michael Mankin, Commander, the 20th of August, 1716
Apologies for the slightly cryptic note; just wanted to find out if this was being actively managed. I worked with a Penn descendant about 20 years ago who'd researched this connection (Edward/Jane as parents of this Edward); unfortunately she's passed and I don't have her primary research. I do know she was a genealogist in the truest sense; she chided me about my supposition I was directly related to William Penn (the founder of PA), not so gently explaining that he had no American descendants. I do believe that it is far more likely the christening record was for this Edward Penn and that his father is the son of William (Penn-50) as it's simply not possible for him to have had a child AFTER his death. Perhaps someone on the England side can find the marriage of Edward/Jane?
I see the timeline problem. Can you give me a source for Edward being his father? In a quick search, I came up with this christening record from London: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NL2T-QBD
It's dated 14 Feb 1680 and gives his parents as Edward Penn and Jane. Trouble is, I can't say confidently that the child being christened is this Edward Penn. I also don't know how you arrived at his father's name also being Edward. Can you help?