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Alicia (Pennington) Venables (abt. 1213 - 1294)

Alicia (Agnes) "Alice" Venables formerly Pennington aka de Penington, de Venables
Born about in Cheshire, Englandmap
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Daughter of and [mother unknown]
Wife of — married [date unknown] [location unknown]
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Died at about age 81 in Kinderton, Cheshire, Englandmap
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Biography

Alice de PENNINGTON was born 1197.

She married Sir Roger de VENABLES Baron of Kinderton in 1217 in Kinderton, Cheshire, England. (Would have been 4 years old). Other cited dated include: abt 1217 / 16 years; 1235 / 22 years; 1239 / 26 years; 1252 / 39 years.

Sir Roger de VENABLES Baron of Kinderton was born 1193 in Kinderton, Cheshire, England. He died 1261 in Kinderton, Cheshire, England. Roger married Alice de PENNINGTON on 1217 in Kinderton, Cheshire, England.

They had the following children:

i Sir William de VENABLES Baron of Kinderton was born 1218 and died 1292. ii Amy de VENABLES 1 was born 1221 in Kinderton, Cheshire, England. M iii Roger de VENABLES 1 was born 1224 in Kinderton, Cheshire, England.[1]

Historical Information

As Pininton in 1246, Pynynton in 1360, Penynton in 1305, Pynyngton in 1351 and 1442, and Penyngton in 1443

Pennington in 1220

The grantor of lands to the canons was Margaret Pennington and her gift to them was carefully marked by the original surveyors. The land they took began at Pennington Bridge, called at this time, the Old Mill Ford; it followed the highway as far as Bradshawgate (the road coming from Bedford), then as far as the church to the ditch and along the ditch to a pond, Goldleach, as far as Leigh brook, following the brook course until it was brought back to the first start at Old Mill Ford. It was a substantial gift and the canons were to enjoy it free from any lay service and with all easements belonging to the town of Pennington; neither did the tenants of the canons pay anything for the right to feed pigs in the woods. The ditch near the church defined the boundary between Pennington and Westleigh.

Richard Pennington, circa 1220 Richard was the second donor. The land he gave was from the churchyard along the side of a croft belonging to the church to Gildaleach and coming down by this pond to a whitethorn tree, from here in a direct line till it struck the road leading from Bedford. Roughly identified today the grant took in the land from the turnpike to Brown Street, across to the tree, then to the pond and back to the churchyard. From the date of these two deeds the abbey thus held some of the most profitable land within the township of Pennington until the time of the Great Spoliation.

An early Pennington charter There is an undated deed, which belongs to the close of the thirteenth century and which records that Adam, lord of Pennington gave three bovates of land in the township to Richard Bradshaw and Joan his wife. The grant was a settlement and if Joan had no issue, the land reverted to Adam, son of Elota Creakbone and if he died without heir then to his brother, Richard. The witnesses were William Atherton, John Bradshaw and Adam, his brother. This very early isolated deed was executed by that same Adam, lord of Pennington manor, who so much loved his falconry in Pennington woods. The name Elota Creakbone illustrates to this very day the personal characteristics, which often and conveniently gave rise to the rich treasury of English patronymics. Pennington Falconry, 1294

The first holders of Pennington manor took their name from the township. Adam Pennington was lord at this time and there were sixteen free tenants in the vill, all of whom had rights of common in 30 acres. But one of these free tenants—Henry Leigh—complained that Adam with Roger Bradshaw and Joan, his wife, Roger son of Agnes Westleigh, Richard son of Richard Chaydock, Robert Creakbone and William son of Richard Bradshaw had restricted his use of waste common lands. He averred that Adam Pennington fenced in waste from Martinmas to Michaelmas each year and caused him to be short of pasture room. A jury made inquiries and in their verdict said that Adam and his ancestors had always fenced off 66 acres of wood in Pennington from the feast of Circumcision to that of the Ascension for the flight of their falcons. Further they said Adam's father had encroached upon twenty acres of common land and Adam himself had taken another four. The jury confirmed the area of common land, whether pasture, moor, marsh or wood at 140 acres. Henry's right of common was acknowledged, but Adam's prescriptive claim in 66 acres of wood was not disturbed. He could still fence these off for the benefit of his hawks. He was fined I2d. for his encroachment. The vast woods of Pennington were a fountain source of wealth, timber for houses, wood for fuel, acorns for pigs and cover for game. « less[citation needed]

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Hi Pms, I'm removing Agnes Longvillers de Greystoke as mother of Alicia, as Agnes wasn't married to Alan Pennington, and she was born after Alicia was born. I hope that is ok. Gillian
posted by Gillian Thomas
Yeah this profile has issues. This is probably the indirect result of problems with the "two" Agnes sister profiles, which ought to be merged.

As it is now, with Longvile-3 listed as Pennington-1291's mother... her brother Thomas is born when his mom was notionally NINE. That's obviously false. But rather than actually fix it, some profile manager / maker has just deleted her motherhood association instead.

The real issue is likely that Longvile-3 is NOT the wife of Alan. She's his mother. And thus the paternal grandmother of this profile, not her mom. Alan needs an NN wife who is NOT the same Agnes as his mother. That person may or may not also, coincidentally, be named Agnes-- I don't have a source. Does anyone? But I'm 100% sure this profile (and multiple family profiles linked to it) are wrong and should be repaired.

This is example 9000 here on wikitree of half-finished merges with unresolved misspellings and poorly quality-controled relationships... this is killing us, and we need to figure out how to a) fix the problems we are already publishing live to the world, and b) prevent more of the same from being newly created by new wikitree members, who are otherwise just going to make more of the same familiar mistakes over time. A LOT of it comes from names-- from the way our search system doesn't adequately detect and resolve variant surname spellings. Which is understandable. It's also understandable that people upload "their" ancestors and don't bother with non-lineal marriages and remarriages etc, and this is OK in the short term but hurts us in the long run when parallel branches of the (same) tree grow for too long before being merged. They we get these missing generation / wrong generation offsets on the merge, and it's much harder to fix. Ha!

posted by Isaac Taylor
Mother Agnes is not listed as the wife of Father Alan.
posted by Steve Selbrede
Peninton-8 and Pennington-1291 appear to represent the same person because: same dates, incorrect spelling of last name
posted by Robin Lee

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