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Catherine Pillat (1646 - 1717)

Catherine Pillat aka Pillard, Laplate
Born in La Rochelle, Aunis, Francemap
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Wife of — married 19 Oct 1665 in Notre-Dame de Montréal, Canada, Nouvelle-Francemap
Wife of — married 13 Jan 1709 in Notre-Dame de Montréal, Canada, Nouvelle-Francemap
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Biographie

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Catherine Pillat a migré de France au Canada, Nouvelle-France.
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Catherine Pillard Variations: Platte, Pillat, Pilet, Pilliar, Pillar

Catherine est baptisée le 30 mars 1646 à La Rochelle à Sainte-Marguerite en Aunis (Charente-Maritime), fille de Pierre Pillard et de Marguerite __[1][2][3][4] (nom de sa mère omis sur l'acte)

Catherine arrive à Québec le 30 juin 1663 à bord du vaisseau Le Phoenix de Flessingue[5], comme Fille du Roy.[6][7][3]

Drapeau identifiant les profils du Canada, Nouvelle-France
Catherine Pillat a vécu
au Canada, Nouvelle-France.

Catherine Plate fut confirmée en mai 1664 à Montréal par Monseigneur François de Laval (la date exacte manque au registre)[8]

Mariage

Le 19 octobre 1665 à Notre-Dame de Montréal fut célébré le mariage entre Pierre Charron, fils de feu Pierre Charron, maître mégissier, et de Judith Martin de la paroisse de St-Martin de Meaux, avec Catherine Pilliat, fille de Pierre Pilliat, texier, et de Marguerite Moulinet de la paroisse de Notre-Dame-de-Cogne de La Rochelle, en présence d' Urbain Texier, Louis Gueretin, Jacques Milliaux, Urbain Jetté, Michel Bonneau et Laurent Archambault et plusieurs autres amis des parties, le curé Gabriel Souart officiant. Pierre signe l'acte Pierre Charron, Catherine ne signe pas.[9] On ne leur connait pas de contrat de mariage.

Enfants du mariage[10][11][12][13][14]

  1. + Catherine Charon (l'ainée), baptisée 23 septembre 1666 Montréal (ND) [15]; Catherine Charon mariée avec François Chagnon 23 juillet 1679 Contrecoeur (contrat Pierre Ménard)[12]
  2. +Marie Charlotte Charon, née vers 1668, 13 ans au recensement 1681; Marie Charlotte Charon mariée avec Claude Louis Lemer 30 novembre 1686 Boucherville[16]
  3. +Antoinette Charron, née & baptisée 20 novembre 1670 Sorel (St-Pierre)[17]; connue par la suite sous le prénom Anne ; Anne Charon mariée avec Pierre Goguet 18 avril 1686 Boucherville[18]
  4. +Pierre Charron, né vers 1671, 10 ans au recensement 1681, 25 ans en 1697; Pierre Charon marié avec Madeleine Robin 4 novembre 1697 Boucherville[19]
  5. + Thérèse Charon, née & baptisée 26 février 1674 Sorel[20]; Marie Thérèse Charon mariée avec Jacques Hubert 21 février 1689 Boucherville[21]; Marie Thérèse Charron mariée avec Antoine Piet 30 janvier 1701 Sorel[22]
  6. +Nicolas Charon, né 16 mars 1676 Contrecoeur, baptisé 9 avril Contrecoeur (enregistré à Boucherville)[23]; Nicolas Charon marié avec Marie Viau 15 janvier 1703 Longueuil[24]
  7. +François Charron, né 2 juin 1678 baptisé 5 Sorel[25]; François Charron marié avec Marguerite Pilet 30 janvier 1701 Sorel[26]
  8. +Catherine Charron (la jeune), née vers 1680, 1 ans au recensement 1680; Catherine Charron mariée avec Guillaume Adam dit Laramée 24 février 1701 Longueuil[27] (parents pas nommés)
  9. +Hélaine Charon, née 2 novembre 1682 Longueuil baptisé 3 Boucherville[28]; Hélène Charron mariée avec Charles Hedeline 7 février 1701 Longueuil[29] (parents pas nommés)
  10. +Jean Charon, né 17 octobre 1684 Longueuil, baptisé 18 Boucherville[30]; marié avec Marie Madeleine Guertin 18 février 1711 Verchères (contrat Jacques Bourdon)[12]
  11. +Louise Charon, née 4 septembre 1686 Longueuil baptisée 7 Boucherville[31]; Louise Charon mariée avec Michel Colin 19 février 1703 Longueuil[32]
  12. +Marie Jeanne Charon, née 7 mai 1688 Longueuil, baptisée 10 Boucherville[33]; mariée vers 1706 avec François Bouteille dit Bonneville[12]

Recensement 1667: ÎLE DE MONTRÉAL DE LA NOUVELLE-FRANCE
Pierre Caron, 31 ; Catherine Platte, sa femme, 18 ; un enfant, 1 ; 4 arpents en valeur.[34]

Recensement 1681: SEIGNEURIE DE LONGUEUIL
Pierre Charon 42 ; Catherine Pillar, sa femme, 30 ; enfants : Catherine 15, Marie 13, Pierre 10, Thérèse 8, Nicolas 3, Catherine 1 ; 1 vache ; 2 arpents en valeur.[35]

Pierre Charron décède en décembre 1700 à l'hôpital de Montréal.[12]

Mariage 2
Catherine Peillatte, veuve de Pierre Charron, fait un contrat de mariage avec Sébastien Brisson dit Laroche devant le notaire Michel Le Pallieur dit Laferté le 25 décembre 1708 à Montréal.[12] Catherine apporte 500 livres au mariage.[36]

Le 13 janvier 1709 à Notre-Dame de Montréal fut célébré le mariage entre Catherine Pillat, veuve de Pierre Charon, âgée de 55 ans, avec Sébastien Brisson, fils de Sébastien Brisson et de Jeanne Lacoste de la paroisse de St-Surin, ville et évêché de Bordeaux, âgé de 38 ans.[37]

Aucun enfant du mariage.[12]

Décès
Catherine Plat, veuve de Pierre Charon, est inhumée le 23 juillet 1717 à Montréal (ND). L'acte lui donne environ 70 ans.[38]

Biography

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Catherine Pillat migrated from France to New France.
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Catherine Pillard variations: Plat, Plate, La Platte, Laplatte, Pillat, Pilliat, Piliate, Peillate, Peillaste


Notes

Origin question

NOTE: THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS FROM http://www.geninfo.org/Pillard/La_Rochelle-E.htm SITE, AND THE ORIGINAL ALSO INCLUDES PHOTOS OF DOCUMENTS AND MAPS. The question of her origin and their conclusion is rebutted below. (Additional data and sources added do not come from this source)

Catherine Pillard, daughter of Pierre Pillard and Marguerite Moulinet, was baptized 30 March 1646 at La Rochelle, France, and confirmed in Montréal in 1664 under the name of Catherine Plate; this same Catherine, future wife of Pierre Charron, was also part of the contingent of King’s Daughters (Filles du Roi) who arrived in Canada in 1663.

From France to New France

A baptismal act, dated 30 March 1646, was found at the Chapelle Sainte-Marguerite of La Rochelle, in Aunis, France, for one named Catherine Pillard, daughter of Pierre Pillard and Marguerite …, the godfather being Pierre LaTouche, merchant, and the godmother, Antoinette Cochette.[3] The mother’s family name was omitted in the act, which is not unusual for that time period. Although not conclusive, according to Fichier Origine and PRDH, it was the baptismal act of Catherine Pillard, future wife of Pierre Charron.[4] An exhaustive search in the parish registers of La Rochelle for the period in question gives a lot of material upon which to reflect.

The family name Pillard is found in a few baptismal acts in Sainte-Marguerite of La Rochelle, France. Thus, on 25 December 1632, Noël Pillard, son of Pierre Pillard and Marie Palaitte, was baptized.[5] Another child of the same couple, Margueritte, was baptized there on 1 November 1636.[6]

The second Pillard couple who can be traced in the registers of La Rochelle was that of Pierre Pillard and Marguerite Bouricaud, whose son Pierre was baptized 19 April 1635 in the parish of Notre-Dame-de-Cogne in La Rochelle.[7]

Another son, Jean, born from the Pillard/Bouricaud couple, was baptized 10 November 1641 in the Chapelle Sainte-Marguerite of La Rochelle.[8]

Perhaps there are other children for the Pillard/Bouricaud couple, but, as of now, they have not been traced in the registers of La Rochelle. It is very possible that Catherine Pillard, baptized 30 March 1646, daughter of Pierre Pillard and Marguerite (no family name) is a child of the Pillard/Bouricaud couple. This baptism would easily fit into a pattern with the baptisms of the two known children for this couple.

According to the marriage record registered in the parish of Notre-Dame de Montréal, dated 19 October 1665, Pierre Charron marries […] “Catherine Pilliat, fille de Pierre Pilliat, Maitre Texier et de Marguerite Moulinet de la Rochelle, paroisse Notre-Dame-de Cognes … […]”. The marriage act also notes an important fact, the explanation for which cannot be found: “[…] Les trois bans publiés et l’opposition faite au premier levée, le dit mariage fait en présence de […]” (The three banns published and an opposition made at the first lifted, the said marriage being done in the presence of …). We can only guess that an opposition was raised at the publication of the first marriage bann; it would be interesting to know the reason for it. No marriage contract can be found to corroborate this information.

But, this marriage act indicates to us that the mother of Catherine Pilliat was Marguerite Moulinet.[9] An exhaustive research in the registers of the Chapelle Sainte-Marguerite and of the parish of Notre-Dame-de-Cogne in La Rochelle, Charente-Maritime, as well as in the neighboring parishes of Saint-Nicolas and Saint-Barthélemy, demonstrates the absence of the name Moulinet in the acts contained in these registers.[10] At the same time, the patronyme Moulnier appears there several times.

Through the Registers of New France

From 1664 on, we find in the registers and the notarial acts of Nouvelle-France, numerous mentions of Catherine Pillard, also known under the names of Plat, Plate, La Platte, Laplatte, Pillat, Pilliat, Piliate, Peillate, Peillaste.

The first mention under the name of Catherine Plate was consigned to the confirmations’ register of Montréal, dated May 1664.[11] Since there were duplicate registers, sometimes errors, additions or omissions are noted; it is thus the case of the confirmations’ register in question. In a first register, the confirmation list of Montréal, of which the exact date has been omitted, is located between the confirmation lists from Trois-Rivières dated 1 May 1664 and 22 May 1664; it can be deduced from this that it concerns a list from May 1664. On this list of confirmees, we find in order: Catherine Plate, Louyse Chartier and Charles François, huron[8]. In the second register, in spite of an unaltered chronological order, the date of this list of confirmees is said to be 11 July 1664. One also finds the patronyme “Atsanhannonk” is added to Charles François, just above the word “huron.”[39][40] (Note that the text reads confirmés à Montréal en 1664, with something not entirely clear after the year, it is being read as 11 July.) Their sources: Drouin-Ancestry Quebec Dioc./Mtl May 1664 #17/76 / Drouin-Ancestry N-D Montreal 1664 #92/233 (added the links to IGD records) The 11 July date is questionable.

Note that the sequence of pages in the diocese lists goes : folio 28: confirmés aux Ursulines 24 mars 1664; confirmés aux Trois-Rivières 1 may 1664; folio 29: end of preceding; confirmés à Montréal le __ may 1664; folio 30: end of preceding; folio 31: confirmés aux Trois-Rivières le 22 may 1664; folio 32 & 33: confirmés à l'Hôtel-Dieu de Québec le 3 juin 1664. From a geographic viewpoint, starting in Québec city, the bishop went up the St-Lawrence to Trois-Rivières, then on to Montréal, returning to Trois-Rivières and then back to Québec city. The next set are in Beauport in January, then remaining in Québec city area.

The second appearance of Catherine Pillard in the registers, this time under the name of Pilliat, would be at the occasion of her marriage to Pierre Charron, 19 October 1665, in the parish of Notre-Dame de Montréal. It is interesting to note that on the 1667 Montréal Census, the Charron family is listed as: Pierre Caron, age 31, his wife Catherine Platte, age 18, and one child, age 1. Based on this census, Catherine was born about 1648.

Note: reading the marriage record (on profile), the name could actually be read Pilliar instead of Pilliat. Ambiguous handwriting. The census ages are known estimations, sometimes wildly varying from one year to the next (1666 - 1667), so are not definitive of actual ages. The couple were missed on 1666 census.

Catherine Pillard appeared several times in the registers of New France, from 1664 until her death in 1717 in Montréal.

Chronology of the mentions of Catherine Pillard in the Acts of New France from 1664 to 1733

1664 Confirmation in Montréal – Catherine Plate[8]

1665 19 October 1665 - marriage in Montréal – Catherine Pilliat – (act not signed by the priest) (image on profile)

1666 23 September 1666 - baptism of her daughter, Catherine, at Montréal – Pilliat (act not signed by the priest)

1667 Census- Montréal – Platte – age 18 years – (born about 1649)

1670 26 November 1670 - Sorel - baptism of Antoinette - Pilette (transcription with no signature)

1674 26 February 1674 - Sorel – baptism of Thérèse - Pilate (transcription with no signature)

1675 26 February 1675 - Contrecoeur - Pilate (Priest : Louis Petit)[41] Catherine is godmother, thus present

October – Platte - (Notary : Bénigne Basset) Vente de concession par Pierre Dardaine à Pierre Charron (14 octobre 1675). Vol 1 pg 238[42] [43]

1676 9 April 1676 – Boucherville – Pillard (Priest : Decaumont) (act done in Contrecoeur)[44]; her daughter Catherine is godmother, both parents named, not present

1677 20 October 1677 - Sorel – Platte (Priest : Benoît Duplein)[45] Catherine is godmother, so present

1678 5 June 1678 - Sorel – Pilat (Priest : Benoît Duplein) son François' baptism, not present

1679 23 July 1679 - at Québec – Pillat / Pillar (?) (Notary : Ménard)

1680 13 July 1680 - Montréal – Plat – (Notary : Maugue)

1681 Census - Longueuil – Pillar- age 30 (born about 1651)

1682 3 November 1682 - Boucherville – Pillat (Priest : Decaumont) daughter Hélaine's baptism, not present

1684 18 October 1684 - Boucherville – Pillat (Priest : Decaumont) son Jean's baptism, not present

1685 December 1685 - Cap-de-la-Madeleine – Marriage contract of Marie Charlotte Charron – Laplatte (Notary : Cusson) La dame Beausolail stipulant pour ladite Marie Charlotte Charon (elle a pouvoir des parents pour ce faire[46] The dame Beausoleil is stipulating for Marie Charlotte, having power to do so from the parents, who are not present. Jeanne Dodier is the woman in question acting in this contract.

1686 18 April 1686 – Boucherville - Pilat (Priest : Decaumont); daughter Anne (Antoinette)'s marriage, not cited present; Platte/Laplatte (Notary : Bourdon)

1 May 1686 - Boucherville – Pillat (Priest : Decaumont)[47]; daughter Marie Charlotte godmother, Catherine not present

7 September 1686 - Boucherville – Pillat (Priest : Decaumont) daughter Louise's baptism, not present

29 September 1686 - Contrecoeur – Laplat (Priest : Sennemaud)[48]; godmother, so present

30 November 1686 - Boucherville – Pillat (Priest : Decaumont); marriage daughter Marie Charlotte, not cited present; Laplatte (Notary : Bourdon)

1687 3 July 1687 - Boucherville – Pilat (Priest : Decaumont)[49] godmother so present

1688 10 May1688 - Boucherville – Pillat (Priest : Decaumont) daughter Marie Jeanne's baptism, not present

1689 21 February 1689 - Boucherville – Plate (Priest : Pierre Rodolphe Guybert De la Saudrays) marriage of daughter Marie Thérèse, Guybert de la Saudray wrote up the act, he did not perform the ceremony; Catherine not cited present

1690 7 May 1690 - Boucherville – Pillette (Priest : Rodolphe De la Saudrays)[50] (done in Longueuil), son Pierre was godfather, his parents both named, Catherine not present

10 November 1690 -Boucherville – Plate (Priest : Rodolphe De la Saudrays)[51]; Catherine was godmother so present

1695 18 March 1695 - Boucherville – Plate – (Priest : Rodolphe De la Saudrays).[52]; daughter Catherine is godmother, her parents named, not present

In the transcription of the act microfilmed at the Archives, the name is registered as Pillard.

1697 4 March 1697 - Boucherville – Plate (Priest : Rodolphe De la Saudrays)[53] (act done in Longueuil), daughter Hélène is godmother, her parents named, Catherine not present

28 October 1697 – Laplatte (Notary : Adhémar)

4 November 1697 – Boucherville – Plate (Priest : Rodolphe De la Saudrays) marriage of son Pierre, cited present; Laplatte (Notary : Adhémar)

1698 30 May 1698 – Piat (Notary : Adhémar)

31 August 1698 - Boucherville – Plate (Priest : Rodolphe De la Saudrays)[54] (act done in Longueuil) daughter Catherine was godmother, her parents named, not present

The transcription of the same act omits her family name.

25 September 1698 – Boucherville – Plate (Priest: Rodolphe De la Saudrays)[55]; grandson's baptism, she was godmother so present

A transcription of the same act omits her family name.

1701 10 January 1701 – Sorel – La Plat (Priest : Frère Alphonse Droierres)

24 February 1701- Piat (Notary : Raimbault)

1703 14 January 1703 - Plat (Notary : Tailhandier)

15 January 1703 – Pilet (Priest : Francheville)

19 February 1703 – Pilet (Priest : Francheville) marriage of daughter Louise, not cited present

1708 25 July 1708 – Piat (Notary : Adhémar)

25 December 1708 – Peillate (Notary: Michel Lepallieur)[36] This is her marriage contract with Sébastien Brisson, she is present.

1709 30 January 1709 – Peillaste/Peillate (Priest: Priat), aged 55 ans (born about 1654) second marriage

10 February 1709 – Piliate (Priest : Priat)

1711 8 February 1711 – Platte (Notary: Jacques Bourdon)

27 July 1711 – Platte (Notary : Jacques Bourdon)

1714 24 November 1714 – Concession of 60 arpents de terre en bois debout à « Bastien Brisson et Marie Charon sa femme… pour en jouir pendant leur vivant […] » (Notary: Tailhandier). It was noted that Catherine was not present.

1717 23 July 1717 – Caterine Plat –burial (Priest: Rangeard), aged about 70 years (born about 1647) Funeral

1722 31 May 1722 – Marriage contract of Sébastien Brisson with Marguerite Rivière – Catherine is called Catherine Charon with no mention that she was the widow of Pierre Charron (Notary : Senet)

2 June 1722 – Marriage of Sébastien Brisson at Repentigny. In the parish register, he is said to be the widower of « Catherine Charon issue de la ville de La Rochelle ». Again, there is no indication that Catherine is the widow of Pierre Charron (Priest : M. Gasnault)

Two of Catherine’s daughters were named Laplate in certain parish registers :

1717 28 February 1717 – Saint-Sulpice - Jeanne Charron is called Jeanne La plate (Priest: P. Lesueur)

3 March 1717 – Saint-Sulpice – burial of a child – Again, Jeanne Charron is said to be named Jeanne La plate.

1724 8 July 1724 – Verchères- In a baptismal act, daughter, Catherine, is said to be a sage femme (midwife) and is named Caterine La plate (Priest: Bouffandeau)

1733 9 February 1733 – Longueuil- Jeanne Charron is said to be deceased but is called Jeanne Laplacque by the priest, Ysambart.

Note

Baptism of M. Marguerite Guillet by the midwife Caterine La Plate- 8 July 1724 at Vercheres (Drouin online- Ancestry.ca – – image 15 of 268, 1724-1740)

Bracketed numbers in citations above refer to these sources:

[1] Catherine Pillard, Fille du roi, Algonquienne d’ascendance sibérienne, née en France vers 1651… Où est l’erreur? Le Chaînon, Volume 25, numéro 3, Automne 2007, pages 25 à 35; Volume 26, numéro 1 et Volume 26, numéro 2. This article appeared in English in Michigan’s Habitant Heritage, April 2008, Vol. 29, #2, pp. 53-59.

[2] René Jetté, Dictionnaire généalogique des familles du Québec des origines à 1730, Les Presses de l’Université de Montréal, Montréal 1983, page 233; Silvio Dumas, Les Filles du roi en Nouvelle-France : Étude historique avec répertoire biographique, La Société historique du Québec, Québec 1972, page 313; Joy Reisinger, Elmer Courteau, The King’s Daughters, Revised Edition, Joy Reisinger: Sparta, Wisconsin, 1988, page 165; Peter J. Gagné, King’s Daughters and Founding Mothers: The Filles du Roi, 1663-1673, Volume 2, Quintin Publications: Pawtucket, Rhode Island, page 458; Yves Landry, Orphelines en France pionnières au Canada: les filles du roi au XVIIe siècle, suivi d’un Répertoire biographique des Filles du roi, Leméac: Montréal, 1992, page 357; web site: La Société des Filles du roi et soldats du Carignan

[3] Also found on Family History Library (FHL) microfilm #1896307, items 1-5. This microfilm includes the parishes of Sainte-Marguerite and Notre-Dame-de-Cogne.

[4] Fichier Origine #243300, accessed 17 August 2008; PRDH #10965.

[5] FHL microfilm #1896307.

[6] Ibid. The mother’s family name was spelled Paillete in this record.

[7] Ibid.

[8] Ibid.

[9] Archange Godbout, o. f. m., Émigration rochelaise en Nouvelle-France (Archives nationales du Québec, 1970), pp. 190, 191. According to Godbout, Marie Catherine Pillard was born in 1651, daughter of Pierre (Pillard) et Marguerite Moulinet, from Notre-Dame-de-Cogne. He also mentions two individuals with the name Pierre Pillard at this time in La Rochelle: (1) Pierre married to Marie Palette / Paillette; (2) Pierre married to Marguerite Bouricaud.

[11] FHL microfilm #0375840 (Notre-Dame de Montréal); FHL microfilm #1311432, item 14; PRDH #403601 (Mai 1664), #403605 (11 juillet 1664).

[12] PRDH #39463; FHL microfilm #0375840. PRDH has acknowledged since 10 April 2008 that the name of Catherine’s father is Du Plat. (This is per their conclusions, PRDH standardizes names, not necessarily accurately)

[13] Dictionnaire Biographique du Canada – Volume I.

Rebuttals

Association des Charron-Ducharme's conclusions: Association des Charron-Ducharme, re: Catherine Pillard, (EN) via Wayback Machine

DNA / ADN:
Signature ADNmt/mtDNA Signature calculée/computed (lignée par les femmes/by female descendance only) :
Haplogroupe/Haplogroup : A10
Signature (rCRS) : A73G, A235G, A263G, 315.1C, 522-, 523-, C544T, C16223T, A16227C, C16290T, T16311C, G16319A, T16519C
Signature (RSRS) : C146T, C152T, C195T, A235G, A247G, 315.1C, C544T, A16129G, T16187C, C16189T, A16227c, G16230A, T16278C, C16290T, G16319A
ADN surtout analysé par/DNA mostly analyzed by : FTDNA[56]

  • CATHERINE PILLARD/PILLAT ÉTAIT-ELLE UNE AMÉRINDIENNE? in French, (summarizing in English:) goes into the fact that her mtDNA has been found in Italians of the region of Agide, near Trentino. One of the conclusions given is that A10 group is found in Eastern Siberian aboriginal populations The signature was observed 5 times in the Tatars. All observed native American signatures belonged to A2 group and its subsets, none belonging to A10.

Other observations Liard-1

  1. baptisms are a poor source to judge the name from, as mothers are generally not present at the baptism of their children, so the name is being given by either the father or the godparents, who may or may not know her well.
  2. The above has this line Since boats arrived between May and September, and an ordonnance limited the period of “fréquentations” to about fifteen days, it was very necessary to contract marriage before the boats left. While there may have been such an ordinance, it certainly wasn't followed. Marie Anne du Saussay is first found in the colony in 1669, she is present and signs a lot of marriage contracts of Filles du Roy, of which she is considered to be a part of. She only married in 1675. The men of the colony had much stricter rules in regards to this, they were limited in their activities if they were unmarried. And we see quite a number of Filles du Roy entering into 2 or 3 marriage contracts before finally making a final choice.
  3. According to the Récollet Sagard, “Tequeunoikuaye”, also known under the name of La Rochelle by the French and St-Gabriel by the Récollets, was the headquarters of the region and the guardian of all the villages of the Bear Nation. Later known under the name of Ossosané, the mission, founded by the Jesuits, bore the name of Immaculée Conception. This section of the document is trying to equate La Rochelle in the Great Lakes area with her place of origin. But her first marriage record clearly names her parish of origin, Notre-Dame-de-Cognes, and not just La Rochelle. Definitely not the same parish as that in the Great Lakes area.
  4. If one supposes that this Catherine is the one who married Pierre Charron in 1665, this could explain the opposition made following the publication of the first marriage bann, on account of the age of the future bride, who would have been about fourteen-years-old at that time. In addition, this would explain the use of the name Plat and Platte, and it many variations, as Catherine’s family name, as it appeared in different parish registers and notarial documents. Error, if she was 14 there would have been no opposition on the basis of age, as canonical age to marry was 12 for girls in this era. The opposition mentioned in the marriage act has never been specified, and doesn't appear to be written down anywhere.
  5. Name variations study: while the above exercise is interesting, there is a bit of a fallacy in it. Pilate in English is not pronounced the same way as in French. In English, the accent is on the first syllable, which sounds like pie. In French, the accent is more on the second syllable, and the first syllable sounds more like a short pee. If one says it quickly, it can sound like Plate. Looking over the acts done by the same priest, one finds variations in how they wrote it. Factor in regional accents of the various people who may have said the name, and the accents of the priests themselves, and you get variations galore. This is not restricted to Catherine, the same holds true for most people whose name is not very common, and even for some whose name is frequent.
  6. Most importantly, Catherine cannot sign. So whatever is written by notaries or clergy cannot be corrected by her. Spelling was haphazard at best in this era in any case.

Sources

  1. Archives départementales de Charente-Maritime, Cote GG 374, La Rochelle, collection communale, paroissial, Baptêmes 1639-1654 284 pgs, Sainte-Marguerite, pg 132 premier à gauche
  2. Image Fichier, AD-17
  3. 3.0 3.1 Fichier origine 243300 Catherine Pillard / Pillat 2017 Fédération québécoise des sociétés de généalogie//Québec Federation of Genealogical Societies
  4. Dossier Fichier
  5. Migrations: navire / ship Phoenix 1663
  6. Dumas, Silvio. Les filles du Roi en Nouvelle-France : étude historique avec répertoire biographique, Société historique de Québec 1972, pg 313
  7. Yves Landry: Orphelines en France, pionnières au Canada: Les Filles du roi au XVIIe siècle; édition révisée 2013 Éd BQ ISBN 978-2-89406-340-8 pg 190
  8. 8.0 8.1 8.2 Registre des confirmations, évêché de Québec, folio 30, image d1p_31400681.jpg (#53) Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  9. Mariage Pierre Charron - Catherine Pilliat Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership) (image sur profil / on profile)
  10. PRDH: Le Programme de recherche en démographie historique (membership): Famille: 1911 Charon-Pillat
  11. Quebec, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1997 - Drouin IGD
  12. 12.0 12.1 12.2 12.3 12.4 12.5 12.6 Dictionnaire généalogique des familles du Québec des origines à 1730, René Jetté, avec la collaboration du PRDH, 1983, Presses de l'Université de Montréal, A-J, PDF pg 233 Charron, pg 173 Brisson
  13. BAnQ (PDF): Tanguay, Cyprien, Dictionnaire Généalogique des Familles Canadiennes depuis la fondation de la colonie jusqu'à nos jours; Montréal, 1887 (7 volumes) Vol 1 pg 118
  14. BAnQ (PDF): Tanguay, Cyprien, Dictionnaire Généalogique des Familles Canadiennes depuis la fondation de la colonie jusqu'à nos jours; Montréal, 1887 (7 volumes) Vol 3 CH-EZ pg 20
  15. Baptême Catherine Charon 1666 Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  16. Mariage Marie Charlotte Charon - Claude Louis Lemer Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  17. Baptême Antoinette Charron Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  18. Mariage Anne Charon - Pierre Goguet Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  19. Mariage Pierre Charon - Madeleine Robin Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  20. Baptême Thérèse Charon Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  21. Mariage Marie Thérèse Charon - Jacques Hubert Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  22. Mariage Marie Thérèse Charron - Antoine Piet Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  23. Baptême Nicolas Charon Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  24. Mariage Nicolas Charon - Marie Viau Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  25. Baptême François Charron Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  26. Mariage François Charron - Marguerite Pilet Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  27. Mariage Catherine Charron - Guillaume Adam dit Laramée Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  28. Baptême Hélaine Charon Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  29. Mariage Hélène Charron - Charles Hedeline Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  30. Baptême Jean Charon Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  31. Baptême Louise Charon Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  32. Mariage Louise Charon - Michel Colin Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  33. Baptême Marie Jeanne Charon Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  34. Wikisource: Recensements 1666-1667 Censuses selon Benjamin Sulte Histoire des Canadiens-français, Tome 4, chap. 4
  35. Wikisource Recensement 1681 Census selon Benjamin Sulte Histoire des Canadiens-français, Tome 5, chap. 4
  36. 36.0 36.1 FamilySearch: Michel Le Pallieur dit Laferté, Actes, Montréal, Boîtes 1-6 24 oct. 1701 - 31 mai 1711, Family History Library, United States & Canada 2nd Floor Film # 1556892, Image Group Number (DGS) 8274270, pgs 2211-2214/3110 contrat de mariage Peillatte - Brisson
  37. Mariage Catherine Pillat - Sébastien Brisson Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  38. Sépulture-Funeral image Catherine Plat Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  39. Index, Montréal, Notre-Dame, image d1p_11000092.JPG Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  40. Index, Montréal, Notre-Dame, 1664, image d1p_11000093.JPG Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  41. Baptême Antoine Faverot Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  42. BAnQ Notarial acts index Inventaire des greffes des notaires du régime français, par Pierre Georges Roy et Antoine Roy; 27 Vol + index 1-8
  43. BAnQ: Bénigne Basset, Nos 1201 - 1400 Actes 13 oct 1675 - 13 avril 1677 (705 fichiers), pgs 3-7/705 concession sale 14 Oct 1675, original
  44. Baptême Catherine Laurand Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  45. Baptême Jean Baptiste Couleau Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  46. BAnQ; Jean Cusson, Actes 1 mai 1666 - 23 mai 1686 (1552 fichiers), pgs 1536-1543/1552 contrat de mariage Charon-L'Heureux
  47. Baptême Marie Josephe Collin Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  48. Baptême Catherine Chaniaud Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  49. Baptême François Collin Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  50. Baptême Marie Chapacou Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  51. Baptême Marie Angélique Leroy Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  52. Baptême Catherine Bouteiller Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  53. Baptême Hélène Marguerite Edeline Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  54. Baptême Nicolas Varen Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  55. Baptême Pierre Charon 1698 Collection Drouin, IGD (Membership)
  56. Francogène

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Plat Pillard-1 and Pillat-6 appear to represent the same person because: same woman, husband etc, merge chain
posted by Danielle Liard
Apologies if this has been already litigated, as I'm late to the party - but have the assertions of Catherine's "Huron" origins been outright dismissed?
posted by Tom Hospod V
there is simply not sufficient evidence to believe the assertion. Name variations are not a criterion, people hear what they are familiar with most often, I get it myself still to this day. So until actual evidence is presented, yes, it will be dismissed.
posted by Danielle Liard
Got it - thanks!! Appreciate the explanation.
posted by Tom Hospod V
hi David, I agree, the change was done by one person, but no DNA data shows on the profile as I have seen elsewhere, thus I am changing it back to confident.
posted by Danielle Liard
Greetings:

I see status indicators set to "Confirmed with DNA", but I don't see a statement about the evidence this was based on. Too, confirming 17th century ancestors with DNA would require some pretty careful triangulation. Perhaps it would be more appropriate to mark them as "Confident", based on the good documentary material? I'd be happy to discuss. David

posted by David Brodeur
Pillat-8 and Pillat-6 appear to represent the same person because: same woman, same spouses, etc, questions about her origin have been discussed and researched, no proof she is not from France
posted by Danielle Liard
Marriage or Union

Catherine at 19 & Pierre at 30 October 19, 1665 Montreal, Quebec, Canada Source: mariage PRDH

http://www.nosorigines.qc.ca/GenealogieQuebec.aspx?pid30642&partID30641

posted by [Living Gauvin]
Catherine was one of the "Daughters of the King", a program that gave a young woman money upon arrival in New France. The idea was to promote the marriage and expansion of the French community through large families. There was a shortage of women in New France.
posted by John Hebert

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