Thomas  (Plantagenet) of Brotherton

Thomas (Plantagenet) of Brotherton (1300 - abt. 1338)

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Thomas "1st Earl of Norfolk, Marshal of England" of Brotherton formerly Plantagenet aka of England
Born in Manor House of Pontefract Castle, Brotherton, Yorkshire, Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Husband of — married before in Harwich, Essex, Englandmap
Husband of — married before [location unknown]
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Died about in Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, Englandmap
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Biography

Sir Thomas of Brotherton[1]

Thomas of Brotherton, 1st Earl of Norfolk, Lord Marshal of England, was the son of Edward I of England and his second wife, Margaret of France, who were married at Canterbury Cathedral, Kent, on September 8, 1299.[1][2] (For details about the life of Thomas, see his Wikipedia biography.)

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Father: King Edward of England[1]
Mother: Margaret of France (1279-1318), daughter of Philippe III, King of France, and his 2nd wife, Marie, daughter of Henri III, Duke of Lorraine[2]
born: June 1300 (1st or 2nd), Brotherton, Yorkshire, England[1]
Wives:
  1. Alice de Hales, daughter of Sir Roger de Hale; married before January 8, 1326; and they had three children[1]
  2. Mary de Brewes, widow of Sir Ralph de Cobham and daughter of Sir Peter de Brewes and his wife Agnes de Clifford; married before April 4, 1336; no surviving children[1]
Children by Alice de Hales:
  • Edward of Norfolk[1] (c1319–Aug. 9, 1334)[3]
  • Margaret Marshall[1] Duchess of Norfolk (c1320–March 24, 1399)[3]
  • Alice of Norfolk[1] (c1317–1352)[3][4]
Died about September 20, 1338 and was buried in the choir of the Abby of Bury St. Edmunds. He left a will August 4, 1338.[1]

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.7 1.8 1.9 Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families, 5 vols., ed. Kimball G. Everingham (Salt Lake City, Utah: the author, 2013), Vol IV, pages 256-266, NORFOLK
  2. 2.0 2.1 Richardson's Royal Ancestry (Vol I, p 64)
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 Sir Thomas 'of Brotherton' Plantagenet, Earl of Norfolk, Marshal of England, "Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors and Cousins" (website, compiled by Mr. Marlyn Lewis, Portland, OR; accessed May 25, 2016)
  4. born 1324 according to her Wikipedia article
See also:
  • Roderick W. Stuart, Royalty for Commoners: The Complete Known Lineage of John of Gaunt, Son of Edward III, King of England, and Queen Phillipa, fourth edition (Baltimore, Maryland: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2002)
  • Entries from Medieval Lands, compiled by Charles Crawley:
  • Richardson's Plantagenet Ancestry (Google book)

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On 12 Jul 2016 at 15:51 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

looking for the issue that the correction was about, I found a book that on p 64 says "Thomas Brotherton married his last wife, Mary, in or shortly before 1338. He was then a widower with two daughters, Margaret and Alice." (see the snippit view)

On 12 Jul 2016 at 15:48 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

looking again at the Google book information, the entry before the one adding the wives (with the [incorrect] statement that widow Mary married Brotherton), the correction before that entry for the same page, is to change the date from 14 Edw. III (1340) to 14 Edw. I (1286). Assuming the entries are chronological, this further supports that we're not talking about the Mary (a Brewes, not a Ros, and born c1300) who married Brotherton. But I think the correction is to a different issue, because the page referenced in this google book is an index page with no dates or bio info.

On 12 Jul 2016 at 15:09 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

The other citation from the earlier comment (this online tree for de Ros) shows Mary de Ros died 1326 and married Thomas Brotherton 1328. Ros-22 agrees on death date (1326), which makes a 1328 marriage impossible.

On 12 Jul 2016 at 15:07 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

update: sorry, I misread the Google book. Thomas Brotherton "had no surviving issue" by Mary (de Brewes), per Richardson. The heir Thomas spoken of was son of William de Brewes by Mary de Ros. (Ros-22 still appears to be grandmother of Mary Braose-47 though.)

Mary de Ros (Ros-22) married William de Brewes... about 1270, and is grandmother to this Thomas's heir according to the google book cited in an earlier comment (Ros-22 is actually his heir's gr-grandmother, his wife Mary (Brewes/Braose-47) being the daughter of Peter (Brewes/Braose-94) who is son of Mary Ros-22.

(continued)

On 12 Jul 2016 at 15:00 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

Richardson's Royal Ancestry says she's wife Mary is daughter of Peter Brewes, which is at odds with her being the widow of William de Breose, or Brewse.

I've double-checked the info in the bio against my copy of RA, and it shows her as dau. of Peter de Brewes & widow of Cobham (Ralph, died 5 Feb. 1325/6) when she married Brotherton "before 4 April 1336 (date of indenture)." It also shows "she died testate 11 June 1362."

The WikiSource cited apparently has incorrect information, as it states both that the Mary it's describing died 1361, married Brotherton before Corbham, and was the widow of a de Breose/daughter of "William Lord Roos".

(continued)

On 12 Jul 2016 at 07:33 GMT Shelley Freestone wrote:

William de Middleton held it for life, by the fourth part of a fee, and that he was to pay no relief, because it was charged on Boyland's part, which was to pay 45s. for both, as half a fee; thus it continued to 1359, and then the said William and Isabel, and all other parties concerned, joined in a fine, and conveyed it absolutely to

Mary de Brewse Countess of Norfolk, and her heirs, at which time the extent of it was 118 acres of land, 4 of meadow, 24 of wood, 20 of pasture, and 60s. rent, lying in Bresingham, Shelfhanger, Disse, Winfarthing, Burston, Roydon, and Carleton by Bokenham. This Mary was widow of William de Breose, or Brewse, lord of Brembre in Sussex, second wife to Thomas de Brotherton Earl of Norfolk; she afterward married Sir Ralph Cobham, Knt. was daughter of William lord Roos, and died in 1361; but how this manor went till 1392, I cannot say; but in that year

On 12 Jul 2016 at 07:31 GMT Shelley Freestone wrote:

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On 21 Jun 2016 at 12:45 GMT Shelley Freestone wrote:

On 20 Jun 2016 at 14:39 GMT Liz (Noland) Shifflett wrote:

Thanks John - I use Tudor Place only as a last resort for a lead!

The Mary de Ros m de Brewes is Ros-22.

Cheers, Liz

On 20 Jun 2016 at 13:45 GMT John Atkinson wrote:

Hi Liz, the source Shelley has posted below is from Tudorplace, a not very reliable website that doesn't cite any sources, but perhaps uses old Burkes Peerage books (also very unreliable) as a basis. I've also checked Cokayne's The Complete Peerage and that also agrees that Thomas of Brotherton's wives are as stated on this profile. There was a Mary de Ros, the daughter of Robert de Ros, who was the wife of William de Braose, 1st Lord Braose and perhaps that is where the confusion started.

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