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Alice Susanah (Potter) Paine (abt. 1587 - bef. 1643)

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Alice Susanah [uncertain] Paine formerly Potter
Born about in Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
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Descendants descendants
Died before in Portsmouth, Newport, Rhode Islandmap [uncertain]
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Biography

Alice Potter was born in England about 1587. She was said to be the sister of Robert Potter. However, based on the year Alice was born, and the year of birth of Robert Potter and each of his siblings, she was likely his aunt, sister of Robert's father George. Terms like sister were often used for an aunt, similar to brother for nephew, etc.

She was the sister of Robert Potter, then of Lynn, Mass., but later of Portsmouth, R.I., where he signed the compact in 1639.[1]

Neither Alice Potter (born about 1587) nor George Potter (born about 1584) were children of Robert Potter and Elizabeth Marshall. Robert and Elizabeth married in 1591. Their first child was baptized in 1592.

Alice married in England about 1610 Anthony Paine. Alice and Anthony had at least four children:

  1. Alice Paine, b. Abt 1612, England, bapt. 30 Aug 1626 at Newport Pagnell, Buckingham, England, father Anthony Paine, FHL Film 88489.[2] m. Lott Strange, who died before 1688, no children; Alice d. 1690. Alice's will of 1688 left legacy to her niece Elizabeth, daughter of John Tripp and her sister Mary.[3]
  2. Mary Paine, b. Abt 1616 (uncertain) in England, m. (1) abt 1638, prob. in Portsmouth, R.I. John Tripp who died at Portsmouth in 1678. Mary (Paine) Tripp m. 4 Apr 1682 at Portsmouth Benjamin Engell. Mary d. 12 Feb. 1687, prob at Portsmouth.[4]
  3. Anne Paine, bapt. 8 Oct 1620: "Anne Payne, the daughter of Anthony Payne and Alice his wife was baptized the 8th day of Octobe 1620." (See image.)[5]
  4. Anthony Paine, bapt. 24 Jul 1631 at Newport Pagnell, Buckingham, England; d. 26 Jan 1632, father Anthony Paine, FHL Film 88489.[6]

Anne and Anthony did not survive. Anthony Paine named daughters Alice and Mary in his will.

Anthony Paine was admitted as an inhabitant of Portsmouth, Rhode Island on 6 Feb 1638:

Feb 6, of the same year, 1638, ANTHONY PAINE was "received to be an inhabitant" at Portsmouth, R.I., but further particulars concerning him, or his family are wanting, except that...his wife bore the sweet name of Rose.[7]

John Anthony and 28 others (John Tripp, Robert Stainton, George Potter, Robert Potter, Wm Hutchinson, Samuel Gorton et al) signed a Compact of Loyalty to the government of Portsmouth on 30 Apr 1639.[8]

Alice (Potter) Paine died probably at Portsmouth, Rhode Island before 10 Nov 1643, the day Anthony Paine signed a prenuptial with second wife Rose. As a widower, he entered into an agreement with Rose [French] Grinnell, previous to their marriage.[9]


Alice born England, her death was before 10 November, 1643, as at this date, her husband (Anthony Paine) being a widower, and Rose Grinnell a widow (of Matthew Grinnell), they entered into an agreement preliminary to their marriage. ... It was also agreed between Anthony and Rose before their marriage that upon the death of either (after marriage) the property of the one deceased should go to the children of that person; Rose having four children and Anthony Paine three children.

"10 Nov. 1643, his [Mathew Grinnell] widow Rose made ante-nuptial agreement with Anthony Paine, then of Portsmouth, whose wife she became. She deeded to her three sons Mathew, Thomas and Daniel, two ...goats apiece and to her son Mathew a cow; also it was agreed that upon the death of either the property of the one deceased should go to the children of that person".

"We know the names of his three sons only because, after his death, his widow ROSE (___) made a prenuptial agreement on 10 November 1643 with Anthony Paine in which she names her sons Matthew, Thomas, and Daniel (and a fourth child, not named, who may have been a daughter). On 29 October 1649, a widow again, she and her son Matthew surrendered eight acres in Portsmouth to Lot Strange. By 18 March 1650/1 she had married, as her third husband, James Weeden of Portsmouth. She was still alive 17 December 1673 when, as Rose Weeden, she sold her property in Portsmouth to her son Matthew Grennell for 30 pounds and a promise of maintenance for life. We do not know when she died."

"His [Matthew Grinnell?s] wife, named Rose, survived him, being in 1643 the wife of Anthony Paine and later marrying James Weeden. There were three sons and a daughter." Page: pg. 307

Alice Potter. [10][11][12][13]


Died 1643 Portsmouth, Newport Co., RI. [14][15][16][17]

Marriage Husband @I5973@. Wife Alice Potter. Child: Mary Paine. Marriage ABT 1610. Portsmouth, Newport Co., RI. [18][19]

Husband @I1502@. Wife Martha Unknown. Child: Alice Potter. Child: @I1208@. Marriage 1607 London, Middlesex, England. [20]

Death

Death:
Date: BEF NOV 1643
City: Portsmouth
State: Colony of Rhode Island
Note: {geni:county} Aquidneck Island

Note

Note: {geni:about_me} There are many inconsistencies of the name on this individual married to Anthony PAINE. Most sources say her name is Rose; some will say she is Susanna or Alice.
Relationships:
*Parents:
**Father: Robert Potter, b. 1577 - Source: A 1999 Email from Kristin Below (effectively unsourced)
**Mother: Elizabeth Marshall - same source.
Also seen as:
**Father: George Potter
**Mother: Martha
*Siblings:
*Marriages:
**1. Matthew Grinnell: Slade-Babcock Genealogy. (sic: 2nd wife Rose was the widow of Matthew Grinnell)
***Children: None listed in any sources below.
**2. Anthony Paine: married in 1643, will proved 1650: Slade-Babcock Genealogy, Portsmouth Records
***Children asserted appear to be out of place, mother possibly a sister of Robert Potter, as opposed to Rose:
****1. Alice Paine (1609-1690) - birthplace mistaken as Portsmouth, Rhode Island was not founded until 1642
****2. Mary Paine (b. 1611)
****3. Unnamed Child (b. 1613, died young - birthplace mistaken as Portsmouth, Rhode Island, was not founded until 1639).
**3. James Weeden: married in 1650: Slade-Babcock Genealogy
***Children: None listed below.

comments April 2014
From http://jskent.blogspot.com/2010_04_01_archive.html
10 November, 1643, at this date, he (Anthony Paine) being a widower, and Rose Grinnell a widow (of Matthew Grinnell), they entered into an agreement preliminary to their marriage. ... It was also agreed between Anthony and Rose before their marriage that upon the death of either (after marriage) the property of the one deceased should go to the children of that person; Rose having four children and Anthony Paine three children.
Comments:
Therefore -
- Anthony's 1st wife, mother of 3 surviving children, died before Nov 1643
- 2nd wife was named Rose, widow of Alice Grinnell

Rose POTTER was born about 1587 in Portsmouth, Newport County, Rhode Island. She died in 1643 in Portsmouth, Newport County, Rhode Island. She was christened. According to Margaret Bock, Mary Paine was the daughter of Anthony Paine and Rose (Potter) Paine. Herman William Tripp--Remembering......
Anthony PAINE and Rose POTTER had the following children:
*1. i. Alice PAINE was born about 1609 in Portsmouth, Newport County, Rhode Island. She died in 1690. She was christened.
*2. 193 ii. Mary PAINE.
*3. iii. Child PAINE was born about 1613 in Portsmouth, Newport County, Rhode Island.
Anthony signed the Compact which reincorporated Portsmouth on 30 Apr 1639. His will, dated 6 May 1649 was proved in 1650. [cf. Portsmouth Records, 384] Anthony, Portsmouth, RI in 6 Dec 1638, had wife Rose who m. a Weeden, and may seem to have had family from his release, of 1650, to share of property of Portsmouth where he died abt 1640. Genealogical Dictionary of New England Vol 3 p. 332.
Slade-Babcock says: "His first wife was a sister of Robert Potter [Edith Bartlett Bartlett Sumner, Ancestry and Descendants of Amaziah Hall and Betsy Baldwin, Los Angeles, 1954]. He married secondly, in 1643, Rose, widow of Matthew Grinnell, who married thirdly, in 1650, James Weeden. He signed the Compact which reincorporated Portsmouth on 30 Apr 1639. His will, dated 6 May 1649, was proved in 1650 [c.f. Portsmouth Records, 384]." Children Alice and Mary and a third child who died young by first wife.
The Hartford Times genealogical column dated 25 Jul 1948 said Anthony came possibly from Nowton, Lincolnshire, England.

Anthony's first wife was a sister to Robert Potter [Sumner, 143]. Anthony married a second wife in 1643, Susannah having died in 1643, per New England Marriages Prior to 1700.
Anthony, Portsmouth, RI had wife Rose who m. a Weeden, and may and seems to have had family from his release, of 1650, to share of property of Portsmouth
*Genealogical Dictionary of New England Vol 3 pg. 332.
The Name Grinnell comes from the Ancestral File.
MARRIAGE: Rose, widow of Matthew Grinnell, married third James Weeden:
Slade-Babcock Genealogy p. 62.

Sources

  1. Sumner, Edith Bartlett, comp. Ancestry and Descendants of Amaziah Hall and Betsey Baldwin. Los Angeles, California. 1954.
  2. Alice Paine in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975. Ancestry.com. England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014. Original data: England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013.
  3. Sumner, Edith Bartlett, comp. Ancestry and Descendants of Amaziah Hall and Betsey Baldwin. Los Angeles, California. 1954.
  4. Sumner, Edith Bartlett, comp. Ancestry and Descendants of Amaziah Hall and Betsey Baldwin. Los Angeles, California. 1954.
  5. Anne Payne in the Northamptonshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1532-1812. Northamptonshire Record Office; Northampton, England; Register Type: Parish Registers; Reference Numbers: 190p/1. Ancestry.com. Northamptonshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1532-1812 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014. Original data: Northamptonshire Anglican Parish Registers and Bishop’s Transcripts. Textual records. Northamptonshire Record Office, Northampton, England.
  6. Anthony Paine in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975. Ancestry.com. England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014. Original data: England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013.
  7. H. D. Paine, M. D. Editor. Paine Family Records. New York. 1880. Paine Genealogy. Page 7. https://books.google.ca/books?id=az5EAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA178&lpg=PA178&dq=anthony#v=onepage&q=Rhode%20Island&f=false
  8. Wikipedia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portsmouth_Compact
  9. Entered by Sara V Mosher, Sep 7, 2017
  10. Source: #S152
  11. Source: #S7 Online publication - Ancestry.com. OneWorldTree [database on-line]. Provo, UT: The Generations Network, Inc.
  12. Source: #S15820 Database online. Record for Martha Potter
  13. Source: #S7 Online publication - Ancestry.com. OneWorldTree [database on-line]. Provo, UT: The Generations Network, Inc.
  14. Source: #S7 Online publication - Ancestry.com. OneWorldTree [database on-line]. Provo, UT: The Generations Network, Inc.
  15. Source: #S161 Date of Import: 7 May 2007
  16. Source: #S15820 Database online. Record for Martha Potter
  17. Source: #S109
  18. Source: #S161 Date of Import: 7 May 2007
  19. Source: #S109
  20. Source: #S15820 Database online. Record for Martha Potter
Source list:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:SBPK-KCS

Source S26
Repository: #REPO6
Title: Ancestral File (TM)
Author: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
  • Source: S-2092485430 Repository: #R-2142529086 Title: Ancestry Family Trees Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com. Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members. Note: This information comes from 1 or more individual Ancestry Family Tree files. This source citation points you to a current version of those files. Note: The owners of these tree files may have removed or changed information since this source citation was created. Page: Ancestry Family Trees Note: Data: Text: http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=28407175&pid=586
  • Repository: R-2142529086 Name: Ancestry.com Address: http://www.Ancestry.com Note:
  • Source: S109 Wilson.ftw
  • Source: S152 Craig E. Hubbard NOTECraig E. Hubbard, 33137 Quail Canyon Rd, Nuevo, CA 92567, ceh_meh@@verizon.net Monday, May 7, 2007
  • Source: S15820 Ancestry Family Trees Publication: Name: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com. Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members.; Repository: #R88 NOTEThis information comes from 1 or more individual Ancestry Family Tree files. This source citation points you to a current version of those files. Note: The owners of these tree files may have removed or changed information since this source citation was created.
  • Repository: R88 Ancestry.com
  • Source: S161 Dennis Dean comppwiz@@pacbell.net.FTW
  • Source: S7 Ancestry.com One World Tree (sm) Publication: Name: Provo, UT: The Generations Network, Inc., n.d.; NOTEwww.ancestry.com
Source: #S26
Source S26: Repository: #REPO6 : Title: Ancestral File (TM)
Author: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Publication: June 1998 (c), data as of 5 JAN 1998
Italicized: Y : Paranthetical: Y : Repository REPO6
Name: Family History Library: Address: 35 N West Temple Street
Salt Lake City, UT 84150 USA
Acknowledgements:
  • Thank you to Bob Nichol for creating WikiTree profile Potter-1948 through the import of Nichol Ancestry.GED on Feb 14, 2013.
  • This person was created through the import of Bwiki.ged on 03 April 2011.
  • This person was created on 22 April 2011 through the import of MOR2003d.GED.
  • WikiTree profile Potter-1481 created through the import of Grindberg Family Tree.ged on Apr 9, 2012 by Kyle Grindberg.
  • This person was created through the import of Bwiki.ged on 03 April 2011. The following data was included in the gedcom. You may wish to edit it for readability.


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Anne Payne, daughter of Anthony and Alice
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Collaboration

On 4 Feb 2017 at 19:48 GMT Al Scott wrote:

Need reliable source for birth date

Top left of profile There is 1587, Click on birth directly to left of this box and there is Date: BET 1592 AND 1600, Then down under Biography i see 1607 Portsmouth, Newport Co., RI.

On 4 Jan 2017 at 15:59 GMT Beryl Meehan wrote:

I've removed Alice from profiles where the parents entered were younger than she was....

On 26 Dec 2016 at 02:08 GMT Donald LaMunion Jr wrote:

Potter-582 and Potter-583 appear to represent the same person because: duplicates... please merge

On 1 Dec 2016 at 16:06 GMT Bob Nichol wrote:

Potter-582 and Potter-5729 appear to represent the same person because: These might be the same person, depending on reliability of sources...

On 4 Nov 2016 at 17:24 GMT Bob Nichol wrote:

Potter-582 and Potter-1481 appear to represent the same person because: Dates, places match.

On 2 Nov 2016 at 01:13 GMT Beryl Meehan wrote:

Potter-3234 and Potter-4755 appear to represent the same person because: Seems the same person

On 2 Nov 2016 at 01:10 GMT Beryl Meehan wrote:

Potter-4755 and Potter-1481 appear to represent the same person because: Seems the same Alice Potter,

On 8 Apr 2015 at 09:21 GMT Dawn Ellis wrote:

Potter-1948 and Potter-582 appear to represent the same person because: same birth and death years



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