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Saher de Quincy was the son of Robert de Quincy and Orabilla/Orabel de Leuchars.[1][2][3][4] His birth date is uncertain: Cawley speculates that it may have been in the period 1165-1170.[3]
Saher married Margaret Beaumont[1][3][4], probably in or before 1190.[1][2][3] They had five sons and three daughters:
Saher held lands in Cambridgeshire, Huntingdonshire, Northamptonshire, Suffolk, and East Lothian in Scotland, and, through his wife, in Leicestershire and Oxfordshire.[2]
By the end of the 1180s, Saher began to be listed as a witness to Scottish deeds.[1]
He was recorded in 1190 as a proposed envoy to the Scottish king.[2] In August 1198 he was with Richard I in Northern France.[1][2]
In 1200 Saher was present when William the Lion of Scotland paid homage for his lands in England to King John at Lincoln.[1][2][4]
In 1203 he granted some of his Scottish lands to Abbeys in Scotland.[2] That year he and Robert FitzWalter held the castle of Vaudreuil, Normandy, for King John, but surrendered without resistance to Philippe Auguste of France[1][2][4]: he and Robert were held at Compiègne until a ransom of £5000 was paid.[2] He was released before May 1204[4], when he is recorded in England.[2]
Before 10 February 1206/7 Saher was made Earl of Winchester.[1][2][3][4] (There is some evidence from charters that he was briefly recognised as Earl of Winchester in the mid-1190s.[2])
In 1209 Saher took part in a diplomatic mission to Scotland.[1] The following year he fought for King John in Ulster.[1][2][4] In 1212 he went as ambassador to the Holy Roman Emperor Otto IV.[1][2]
In 1215 Saher joined in the baronial opposition to King john, and he was a Surety Baron for the Magna Carta.[1][2][3][4] His continuing opposition to John led to his excommunication in December 1215.[2][3][4] He and Robert FitzWalter went to France to offer the English crown to Louis, the French king's son, and came back to England in January 1216 accompanied by a substantial French force.[1][2][3][4] His English lands were confiscated and entrusted to William Marshal.[2][3][4]
Saher continued siding with Louis of France on the accession of Henry III. On 20 May 1217 he was captured in the Second Battle of Lincoln. In September that year he returned to allegiance to the English crown, and his lands were restored soon after.[2][3][4]
Saher de Quincy joined the Fifth Crusade in 1219. He died on 3 November 1219 of illness during the siege of Damietta, Egypt. He was buried at Acre.[1][2][3][4] His heart was burned and later interred at Garendon Abbey, Leicestershire.[3] His widow did not remarry, and died on 12 January 1234/5.[2][3][4]
Saher died owing money to the Crown. On 2 August 1220, the Sheriff of Wiltshire was ordered to safeguard his chattels and corn in lands inherited by himself and his wife, which were to be used to meet his debts and fulfil his will, and held at the date he set out for Jerusalem until he received further orders. A week later the Sheriff of Cambridgeshire and Huntingdonshire was ordered to have corn and chattels on lands in those counties valued and handed over to Saher's widow after she had given security for debts Saher owed the Crown.[7]
Margar Harnell was previously given as a wife of Saher de Quincy. He had only one wife, Margaret de Beaumont, and Margar Harnell may never have existed.
Cawley mentions three sources which suggest a death date of 1220 rather than 1219 - the Annals of Dunstable, Matthew Paris and the Chronicle of Ralph of Coggeshall.[3] The 3 November 1219 death date is supported by the necrology of Garendon Abbey in Leicestershire.[3]
For the 800th anniversary of the Magna Carta in 2015, Professor Nigel Saul wrote a set of biographies of the Surety Barons. He and the Magna Carta 800th Anniversary Committee generously gave permission for them to be reproduced on WikiTree. They can be viewed here.
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Sometime between 1188 and 1193 de Quincy married Margaret, youngest daughter of Robert de Beaumont, 3rd Earl of Leicester.[2] By his wife Margaret de Beaumont, Earl Saer had:
Mary, who married Hugh le Despenser (sheriff).
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Many sections in the Saher de Quincy article on Wikipedia are unsourced. Also, there are no sources on the Hugh le Despenser Wikipedia article. If you can find a source for a daughter Mary, please add another comment to this profile. Thanks!
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Medieval Lands states that the name of Hugh's wife is not known: https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL2.htm#HughDespencerdied1265. The entry for his son Hugh in the revised edition of Cokayne's Complete Peerage also indicates that the name of his wife is not known: G E Cokayne, Complete Peerage, revised edition, Vol. IV, St Catherine Press, 1916, pp. 259-60, https://archive.org/details/completepeerageo04coka/page/258/mode/2up. His son Hugh's entry in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography names no mother.
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This is standard for this period.
Inheritance information may help to indicate which was the oldest son still alive when a parent died, but that is quite often the most we have to go on. That son may have had older brothers who died earlier.
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The colour of the statue will reflect the material it is made of (and the way that material has aged). It will not be intended to be a skin colour.
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Now the profile is on my list to combine repetitive text into a smooth narrative:)