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Joris (Rapalje) de Rapalje (1604 - 1663)

Joris "Jorge, Georges" de Rapalje formerly Rapalje aka Jansen, Rapelje, Rapareillet, Rapareilliet, Raparlie, Rapalye, Rapalie, De Rapalie, Rapelle, Rapelie
Born in Valenciennes, Comté de Hainaut, Pays-Bas espagnolsmap
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Husband of — married 21 Jan 1624 in Waalse Kerk, Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Nederlandmap
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Died at age 58 in Breuckelen, Nieuw-Nederlandmap
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Joris Jansen Rapalje was born in 1604, in Valenciennes, Nord, France to Jean Rapareilliet and his wife, Elizabeth Baudoin. Joris was the youngest child of Jean Rapareilliet, probably born to a woman other than Jean's wife, Elizabeth Baudoin, but possibly adopted by her (see Note 4). He married Catalyntje Trico on January 21, 1624. They had 11 children in 25 years. He died on February 21, 1663, at the age of 58.

Georges Rapareillet (pronounced Raparlie) was baptized April 28, 1604, as entered in the Register of St. Nicholaes Roman Catholic Church of Valenciennes. (see Reference Note 1) Valenciennes, a town in what is now Northern France, had long been a Protestant stronghold in the province of Hainaut, Spanish Netherlands.

One way or the other, Joris probably did not know or remember his father very well, since his father, Jean, died when he was less than 2 years old. He also would not have known Elizabeth, since she also died in 1606. It is not known if he ever knew his genetic mother, but it seems possible that his father would have employed the services of some woman, perhaps a mistress, perhaps Joris' birth mother, to raise his family.

Georges (Joris) was probably a proscribed Huguenot who took refuge in Holland, a Protestant country which welcomed religious refugees from France, Belgium, and other countries. French-speaking refugees founded churches in the Netherlands and held services in French. All Huguenots in those days may have been known in Holland by the general title of Walloons.

The West India Company had recruited families to settle New Netherland and transported them aboard two ships: De Eendracht (Unity), which sailed January 25, and Nieuw Nederland, which sailed two months later. Catalina Trico and Joris Rapalje agreed to take part in the wildly hazardous enterprise on the condition that the company first marry them. This necessitated the publication of the intent to marry and the actual marriage, a process which then usually required at least 3 weeks. The banns for Joris and Catalina were published on Saturday, January 13, 1624 and their marriage took place on Sunday, January 21, 1624. Known to be passengers of the Unity with Joris and his wife were Sebastian Janszen Krol, John Monfort and his wife, Jacqueline Moreau, and about a dozen other families with marriageable daughters and sons, with 30 unaccompanied men. Some were undoubtedly Walloons. The ship arrived in New Netherlands in late March or early April of 1624, and after a stay of just a few days, sailed up the Hudson River to Fort Orange (now Albany, New York). The Rapaljes were among 18 families that remained on-board Unity to go to Fort Orangie (Now Albany), when it came to the "Mannatans".[1] These emigrants were the advance party for the colonization planned by the West India Company.

The Rapaljes were one of "only four of the identified families aboard these two ships known to have left descendants in the colony". The four families were Walloons, from Valenciennes, Roubaix, and other towns, all now in France's Département du Nord, but then part of the Netherlands under the rule of Spain. They were Protestants, and in order to worship as they pleased they had fled north to Amsterdam and Leiden, where the Spanish were no longer in control. When the West India Company sought settlers for its new colony, these recent refugees were ready to move once again.

In 1625, Jorge (George) Jansen Rappelje, Teunis Guysbert Bogart, and Jeremiah Remse Vanderbeeck - farmers from Waael in the Netherlands - were the first men to began farming in New Netherland, at Wallabout.

Soon after the harvest of 1626, and after Gov. Peter Minuit purchased Manhattan Island from the Indians in May, the Company resettled the eight families living at Fort Orange in New Amsterdam on the island of Manhattan, which then became the center of operations for New Netherland. This included the Rapelje household which now included their first daughter, Sarah, born June 9, 1625 - the first white child to be born in New Netherlands.[2] There were only 270 white inhabitants of Manhattan at that time, and sufficient land so that the families brought down river could support themselves and have sufficient left over for supplying the ships which would put into the port of trade.

Since Joris could not ply his trade of weaving under the regulations of the West India Company, he found it expedient to support his family in other ways. He opened the first tavern shortly after arriving in Manhattan. He was a tavern keeper as late as March 16, 1648, when he and 11 other tavern keepers promised as true men to live up to the newly imposed rules in every way and as best they could. The extensive rules were designed to control "unreasonable and intemperate drinking" at night and on Sundays, and the owners of taverns were required to have some other legitimate occupation. Joris chose farming at first and went in for cattle breeding. In 1641, he was elected by the people as one of 12 men to advise the Council regarding Indian policy.

On June 16, 1637, Joris had bought land from the Indians, a tract of 335 acres the Indians called Rennagaconck (Rennegaconock) (now included within the town of Brooklyn, Long Island, New York), at the cove which the Dutch named Wallabought (Waele-Boght/Wale bocht)"located where the present United States Marine Hospital in Brooklyn stands and also included the land between Nostrand and Grand avenues" [3]. Until the farm was well established and showing a good profit, and until he had satisfactory buildings on it, Joris and his family continued to live on Pearl Street which extended to Bridge Street where the Manhattan tavern flourished. His name appeared as late as March 16, 1648, on the records in the book of the burgomasters court, among the inn keepers and tapsters, inhabitants who promised to observe the proclamation of Gov. Stuyvesant of March 10th, 1648, in relation to the regulation of such houses. In 1644, Joris and his son-in-law Hans were in partnership in hiring out some cattle.

Joris had obtained the house and lot on Pearl Street from the West India Company Street; the Pearl Street lot grant was confirmed to him with a deed dated March 13, 1647. He sold the lot with its house that he had built-up on June 22, 1654 to Hendrick Hendricksen. He occupied the house and lot on the north side of the present Pearl Street, abutting the New Amsterdam fort, for more than two decades.

After selling his New Amsterdam home, Joris moved his family to the farm in 1655, becoming a Long Island resident. He was a leading citizen, acted a prominent part of public affairs of the colony, and served in the magistracy of Brooklyn.[4]


  • Joris Jansen Rapalje; baptized Georges Rapareillet.
  • Given Name: Joris (Dutch version of French/Walloon Georges), George
  • Surname: Rapalje
  • Patronymic: Jansen, Janszen, Janse, Janssen (adopted in America)
  • Other Surnames: Rapareilliet, Rapelje, Rapalie, Rapalye, deRapalje, Rapelle, de Rapalie, and de Rappalje[5]


  • Joris Jansen Rapalje was born in 1604, in Valenciennes, Nord, France, to Elizabeth Baudoin and Jean Rapareilliet.[6][7][4][8]


  • Georges Rapareillet (pronounced Raparlie) was baptized April 28, 1604, as entered in the Register of St. Nicholaes Roman Catholic Church of Valenciennes. Valenciennes, a town in what is now Northern France, had long been a Protestant stronghold in the province of Hainaut, Spanish Netherlands. [9][10][11]
  • 1604, 28 Avril, Georges Rapareillet, illegitimus fils de Jean Rapareillet, susceptor (godfather) Noe Vasseur susceptrix (godmother) Jehenne de latre
  • Jehenne de Latre was Jean's sister
  • it was not unusual for Walloon and Huguenot parents to take their children to Roman Catholic priests to be baptized in the absence of Protestant clergy or to escape persecution. Similarly, it was not uncommon for the priests to refuse to recognize the validity of Protestant marriages, recording the children of such marriages as "illegitimus".[12]


  • Joris Jansen Rapalje married Catalyntje Trico in the Walloon Church of Amsterdam in Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands, on January 21, 1624, when he was 19 years old, she was 18.[13][6][2][7][14][11]
  • Amsterdam archive: inschrijvingsdatum: 13-01-1624 name groom/ naam bruidegom: Raparlie, Joris name bride/ naam bruid: Triko, Catharina[15][4][8][16]
  • Quote: '[...] four days before their ship left Amsterdam on January 25, 1624. "Espousé le 21 de Janvier", the clerk of the Walloon Church of Amsterdam recorded, without wasting too much time getting the names right, "Joris Raporbie de Valencenne, et Caterine triko." Being illiterate, both made their marks on the page. He was nineteen, she was eigtheen; neither had parents sign the registry, which suggests that both were either alone in the world or alone in that part of the world, which amounted to the same thing. Like many they had nothing to lose. [...][17]


  • They sailed from Amsterdam on January 25, 1624 aboard De Eendracht (The Unity) to New Netherland and went to Fort Orange, New Netherlands Colony.[3][18][17]: [13][6][19][20][2][21][22][16][7][4][8][23][11]
  • Joris Repalje was living in Amsterdam in 1623 and, with his prospective bride, Catalina Trico, was recruited with a number of other families, probably mostly Walloon Huguenots, to go as colonists for the West India Company's venture in America. Catalina Trico and Joris Rapalje agreed to take part in the wildly hazardous enterprise on the condition that the company first marry them. This necessitated the publication of the intent to marry and the actual marriage, a process which then usually required at least 3 weeks. The banns for Joris and Catalina were published on Saturday, January 13, 1624 [24]. and their marriage took place on Sunday, January 21, 1624.


  • boratwercker - a weaver of wool cloth (see Note 6).[11]
  • farmer :After a few years of farming, Joris and Catalynsie opened a small tavern or "tap house" on the north side of what is now Pearl Street, abutting on the Fort, where they managed the tap-house and grew vegetables and served their guests.[11]
  • tap-house (tavern) owner in New Amsterdam, on Bridge Street.  :After a few years of farming, Joris and Catalynsie opened a small tavern or "tap house" on the north side of what is now Pearl Street, abutting on the Fort, where they managed the tap-house and grew vegetables and served their guests.[4][8][11]


  • Joris bought 325 acres of land from the indians (Rennegaconck) on 16 Jun 1637.[20][2][21][25][16][4][8][11]
  • "Patentee, Nieuw Amsterdam, March 18, 1647, lot in Manhattan".[26][27][28][22][11]
  • * Pennsylvania and Maryland were embroiled in a border dispute and needed evidence of 'Christian' occupation of certain lands along the eastern seaboard [...] representatives of William Penn found an old woman to testify who was known to be one of the first European settlers. Catalina Trico, now in her eigthies, was a widow but she and Joris had had a long and fruitful marriage. The records of New Netherland show them among the first buyers of land in the wilderness of southern Manhattan, building two houses on Pearl street.[3]

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Protestant Huguenot. On December 25, 1662, he became a member of the Protestant Reformed Dutch Church of Brooklyn.


Joris Jansen Rapalje died on February 21, 1663, when he was 58 years old.[13][6][7][21][16][4][8][11]

One record has that Joris died on February 21, 1662 at age 57 in Breuckelen (Brooklyn), New Netherland. Another says Joris died sometime before 1680, since from that point onward Catalyntie was known as the "old widow from Valenciennes" as she continued to raise her large extended family and grow vegetables on her farm in Brooklyn.


Joris was buried in the Flatbush Reformed Church Cemetery, Flatbush, Kings County, New York.[7]


Joris and Catalyntje had the following children:[33][20]

  1. Sarah Rapalje, b. June 9, 1625, m. (1) to Hans Hansse Bergen and (2) Tennis Gysberts Bogart; d. 1685.
  2. Marritie Rapalje, b. Mar. 11, 1627; m. Michael Vandervoort; d. 1685.
  3. Jannetie Rapalje (Jannetje), b. Aug. 18, 1629; m. Rem Vanderbeeck;
  4. Judith Rapalje, b. July 5, 1635, m. Pieter Van Nest
  5. Jan Rapalje (Jan Joriszen), b. Aug. 28, 1637; married; d. 1662;
  6. Jacob Rapalje, Jacob, b. May 28, 1639, who was killed by the Indians;
  7. Catalyntie Rapalje (Catalyntje, Catalina). b. Mar. 28, 1641, m. Jeremias Westerhout[34]
  8. Jeronemus Rapalje(Jeronimus), b. June 27, 1643[35]
  9. Annette Rapalje (Annetje), b. Feb. 8, 1646, m. (1) Marten Reyerse and (2) Joost Fransz.
  10. Elizabet Rapalje (Elisabeth), b. Mar. 28, 1648; m. Dirck liooglandt[36]
  11. Daniel Rapalje, b. Dec. 29, 1650; d.1725.

Reference/Research Notes

  1. The variations of the spelling of Rapareillet/Rapalje suggests that, although born in the Spanish-occupied Hainaut Province of France, he may have spent some time in Wallonia, Flanders, now a part of Belgium. Once in America at New Amsterdam, he was said to have come from La Rochelle, France, indicating that he may have lived there as well, or at least had some trade in La Rochelle (possibly through Catalyntie's father). He also adopted Jansen in America, following the Dutch naming convention that indicates your father - Jansen, son of Jan (in Dutch) or Jean (in French).
  2. list of children taken from The Bergen Family, by Teunis G. Bergen, Albany, N.Y., 1876, as cited in Generation 8, #138, The Ancestors of Maria Vanderveer, which gave source as "per an original family record, preserved in the library of the New York Historical Society" - death dates from another source; names in parentheses from other sources.
  3. M. de la Grange came with his wife to invite me to accompany them in their boat to the Wale Bocht, a place situated on Long Island, almost an hour's distance below the city, directly opposite Correlaer's Hoeck, etc. This is a bay, tolerably wide, where the water rises and falls much, and at low water, is very shallow and much of it dry, etc. The aunt of de la Grange (Catalyntie Trico), is an old Walloon from Valenciennes (her husband not her), seventy-four years old. She is worldly minded, living with her whole heart, as well as body, among her progeny, which now number 145, and will soon reach 150. Nevertheless, she lived alone by herself, a little apart from the others, having her little garden and other conveniences, with which she helped herself." She and Joris became the ancesters of over a million North Americans.
  4. He was one of "six children of Jean Rapareillet and his unnamed wife" (he has also been shown as the youngest son of the nine children of Jean and wife Elizabeth Baudoin; another source surmised that the first two children were by another wife or were children of a different Jean; combined with discounting Joris as illegitimate leaves six children for Jean and his wife.[11]
  5. From the Walloon Index: 13 January 1624, Amsterdam: "Joris Raparlie born in Valenchiene (Valenciennes in French) (age) 19 (years), boratwercker (living at) Waelport (section of Amsterdam) and Catharina Triko"(information is a transcription of a transcription posted in WikiTree. See Sources for a description of the Walloon Index. Additional information given following "Catharina Triko": "(here spelled Friko, but in the original Dutch it is Trico)(living at) Nes (in Amsterdam) born at Pris in Waesland (French speaking area) (age) 18, accompanied by Marry Flamengh, her sister." Annotation accompanying the reference: "The original entry says that Catherine Trico was born at Paris, but this is deleted and "Pris" is recorded." Information in parentheses was not added by me, but I don't know when it was added (on the index card itself or after it was posted to WikiTree or sometime in between).)
  6. boratwerker, also written boratworker and boat wecker. A weaver of a certain kind of cloth which in French is called bure defined in a French dictionary as a "loosely woven brown colored material of wool," "borat" is defined in a Dutch dictionary as a weaver of wool cloth.
  7. "The records of New Netherland show them among the first buyers of land in the wilderness of southern Manhattan, building two houses on Pearl Street steps away from the fort" - excerpt from The Island at the Center of the World[37][11]
  8. Wallabought (Waele-Boght/Wale bocht) Manhattan in 1628,
  9.  :Espouse le 21 de Janvier, the clerk of the Walloon Church of Amsterdam recorded, without wasting too much time getting the names right, Joris Raporbie de Valencenne, et Caterine triko. Being illiterate, both made their marks on the page.[3][11]
  10. another source says Joris came in 1663, then returned to marry Catalina, came alone on the Unity in 1664 with Catalina following in the second ship. This seems unlikely in the extreme, but is presented so it can be refuted: "In the Bergen family history, published in 1876, it is asserted that they both came to the "Mannatans" on the Unity, commanded by Arien Jorsie, and were part of 18 families which remained on-board to go to Fort Orangie (Now Albany), where they lived until 1626. New research, since the publication of the Bergen Book, has Catalyntie arriving on the Niew Nederlandt in 1624, which brought a number of Huguenot refugees from La Rochelle."
  11. Over the course of the brief life of New Netherland and into the history of New York the Rapalje children and their offspring would spread across the region. In the 1770s, John Rapalje would serve as a member of the New York State Assembly (he rejected revolution and became a Loyalist). Their descendants have been estimated at upwards of one million, and in the Hudson Valley town of Fishkill, NY, a lane called Rapalje Road is a quiet suburban testament to the endurance of a long-ago slapdash wedding of two young nobodies on the Amsterdam waterfront, which, as much as any political event, marked the beginning of the immigrant, stake-your-claim civilization not only of Manhattan but of America.
  12. By 1626, a year after Sarah's birth, Dutch authorities relocated the families at Ft. Orange to Ft. Amsterdam at the southern end of Manhattan Island. There, roads were being laid out, farms established, houses, a church and a large storage facility built. The Rapeljes built a house near the East River, and were there during the murderous Kieft War (1643-45), which began when the Dutch governor, Willem Kieft, attacked nearby ?Delaware-speaking Indian villages. Thousands of Indians were killed, as well as a number of Dutch settlers. One was Sarah's baby brother, Jacob, who was born in 1639 and was killed, probably in 1643.
  13. On the 16th of June, 1637, Rapalie bought a tract of land of the Indians, "Kakapeyno, and Pewichaas," called "Rinnegakonck," situate "on Long Island, south of the Island of the Manhattans, extending from a certain Kil till into the woods south and eastward to a certain Kripplebush (swamp), to a place where the water runs over the stones." On the 17th of June, 1643, (See Book G. G., pp. 20 and 64, land papers, office sec. state, Albany) his Indian purchase was patented to him by the governor, and is described as "a piece of land called Rinnegakonck, formerly purchased by him of the Indians, as will appear by reference to the transport, lying on Long Island, in the bend of Mereckkawick(6) (now Brooklyn), east of the land of Jan Monfoort, extending along the said land in a southerly direction, towards and into the woods 242" rods, by the kill and marsh easterly up 390 rods, at the "sweet marsh 202 rods on a southerly direction into the woods, and behind into the woods 384 rods in a westerly direction, and certain outpoints next to the marsh, amounting in all to the contents of 167 morgens and 406 rods" (about 335 acres).
  14. The patent of Jan Monfoort for 28 morgens, was dated May 29, 1641, and a second patent for the same premises, Dec. 1, 1643; in which they are described as "betwixt the land of Jorse Rapalje on the east side, and the land of Pieter Monfoort on the west side," April 23, 1701, Peter Monfoort and Maria his wife, John Monfoort and Ida his wife, William Cowenhoven and Jonica his wife, and Claes Wyckoff and Sarah his wife, for Ï150, as heirs at law, conveyed Jan Monfoort's patent to Garret Cowenhoven, as per a deed in hand of H. C. Murphy, In Jan Monfoort left no issue, the parties conveying being the children of his brother, Pieter Monfoort.

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  35. New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, Vol 5, Pg 33. ‘‘Records of the Reformed Dutch Church’’. accessed through NEHGS.
  36. New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, Vol 5, pg 91.‘‘Records of the Reformed Dutch Church’’. accessed through NEHGS.
  37. Grants on Pearl Street lists Joris Rapelje as an "early occupant" (1643-47); Valentine, D. T. History of the City of New York (New York : G.P. Putnam, 1853.), p 34.


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Rapelie-4 and Rapalje-19 appear to represent the same person because: my mistaken spelling led to this error. Both were the famous immigrant who was married to Catalina Trico
posted by Robert Gang
Finally done. Hope I got it all right, just so much info and sources, and so much dup'd.

Could probably add a few more footnotes, but I have had it, maybe later. So many of the sources provide information on other family members and families. Just wish I had the time to go through all the sources and people.

Find any error or typo's, please correct. Thank you.

posted by Arthur Van Riper Jr
An excellent bio, although much information is duplicated throughout the profile. There are many short statements made as references which is incorrect, as there is no source cited for these statements, these should be put under reference/research notes and referred

to (ie/ see Note xx).

I would like to clean up the bio but that would require eliminating many duplicate statements and references and some non-applicable information. This would take some time to complete,. I am a member oif the New Netherlands Project, but would not tackle this size project without the blessings of you all.

Joris is in my family tree as the maternal grandfather of the wife of my 6th great-uncle. Distant but still related.

I await your blessings.

posted by Arthur Van Riper Jr
Thank you! The Joris and Catalinje Trico-Rapalje couple were my 9th Great Grandparents. I wish I’d known that when I read the recent history: “Island at the Center...”.
posted by Laura Akerman
Another Huguenot ancestor! 11th great grandparent. It's funny, I never heard of this group before Wikitree. Only my ever moving Mennonite family ;)
posted by Rae Santema
I came across another interesting relationship. It APPEARS to me that a person is related to herself as her AUNT... Anyway, I am referring to Marigritie Van Neste (Van_Neste-12 and Van_Neste-13). Are these in fact the same person, or not. They show up with two different sets of parents. However, birthdates, etc do not seem to jive.... I added a little spreadsheet to the profiles to try to get some help in understanding who's who. My interest is that #12 is the ancestor (mother) of a bunch of my wife's relatives... Any thoughts/help would be appreciated.

Regards, Robert

posted by Robert Harrison
Astrid - it's gone forever, except as a redirect. Any link that went to Rapalie-16 gets redirected by the URL to its new profile, so Rapalie-16 will never be an active profile again. But it was not the normal spelling ("i" instead of "j"). If it had been "Rapalje-16" then WikiTree would not have allowed it to be merged away into another profile with the same spelling but a higher number. If the profile with the higher number is PPP the merge cannot be completed, because WikiTree won't let either profile be merged away (the PPP one or the one with the lower number).

Cheers, Liz

posted by Liz (Noland) Shifflett
Roger B.!

Got the PPP part. As I think I got it before...... No Gedcoms or others can change things right away (freely). Protecting so things can be discussed before any change........... and not changed right away,

Just unhappy the profile number Rapalje-16 is gone? Is it gone? If I make an new Raplje will I or anyone else ever be able to make a Rapalje-16? Or is it gone forever...............

Part of the Unknown Project -recycling profiles-. Merging -looking at it that way- seems wrong. Better re-use them for children or parents not yet added. Like at the Coymans.............. I forgot the option to re-use as I got nervous I made duplicates.......

Hmm maybe there is a G2G threat about profiles with a lower number merged away......... They will never return?

Just curious.

Thank you B.

Night for now.


Hi Astrid,

PPP locks the LNAB (field) and the parents, so it is to prevent parents are removed or changed and of course to prevent a LNAB or the correct LNAB with the lowest number gets merged away.

If like in this case, there are duplicates with different LNAB, and if people feel or think, the other duplicate profile perhaps has a more correct LNAB, we all (if it isn't merged away already of course) can decide to remove the PPP from this one and to PPP the duplicate.

So if someone would have thought hey Rapalie-16 in fact is a better or more correct LNAB for Joris, they could have put the merge on hold by setting them as unmerged match with an explanation why they think or feel these profiles are not ready for a merge. And that's when we could have decided to perhaps deprotect this one and protect the other and after that propose and merge them.

So PPP is just protecting the LNAB and the parents, and the project profiles are added so we all can share, keep track of and manage and work on them together using the Project google groups.  ;)

posted by Bea (Timmerman) Wijma
Thank you Dodie and Bea.

So the PPP-ed (I know the PPP is for stopping anyone to change the profile) page always above the profile that represents the same person, even if that profile has a lower WikiTree- ID number. And of course not as Dodie says, with the wrong LNAB.

Unless the other profile is more accurate. But before being able to merge the PPP has to be removed.... Did I understand that right?

Still.......... It is easy to change a wrong LNAB. Or to re-use the "wrong" profile for someone with the same LNAB. I don t want to be of any trouble. Just trying to understand.

Thank you again.


It is because there were numerous duplicates imported or created in the past for this family, so this always has been the PPP profile where all duplicates were and still are merged into, so if profiles have PPP all duplicates are merged (only possible way) into that PPP't one.

If the LNAB of the other profile had a better LNAB we before the merge should have removed the PPP and PPP the other profile.

But they are already merged now, so .. ;)

posted by Bea (Timmerman) Wijma
It's actually because of the LNAB that it would be merged into Rapalje-19 instead of Rapalie-16. I guess there was a spelling error and that is why the reverse merge.
posted by [Living Hoskins]