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George Raymond (abt. 1578 - bef. 1651)

George Raymond aka Rayment
Born about in Charlton Mackrell, Somerset, Englandmap
Ancestors ancestors
Brother of [half], [half] and [half]
Husband of — married before 1612 [location unknown]
Husband of — married 1621 [location unknown]
Descendants descendants
Died before before about age 73 in St. John's Parish, Glastonbury, Somerset, Englandmap
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Biography

He is presumed the George Raymond christened at Charlton Mackrell, Somerset, England, 28 September 1578.[1][2][3][4] His parents were Robert Rayment (died 1605) and his wife, Dorothy Hacker.[5]

George Rayment settled at Glastonbury, which is about seven miles from Charlton Mackrell.

By 1611 George Raymond or Rayment had married Joan _____; their children included,

  1. Dorothy Raymond, baptized Compton Dundon, Somerset (about 3 miles from Glastonbury), 8 October 1611;[6] married ____ Robyns or Robins.
  2. George Raymond, baptized St. John's, Glastonbury, 16 March 1616/7,[7] buried there April 1617.[8]

George's wife Joan was buried on 3 April 1618 at St. John's, Glastonbury.[9]

By about 1620 George Raymond had married to Abigail Maurice or Morris.[citation needed] Child born to George Raymond and Abigail, [4] ...

  1. Maurice Raymond, baptized St. John's, Glastonbury, 24 April 1621.[10]

Children born to George Rayment, not otherwise placed,

  1. John Rayment, presumably born Glastonbury, about 1622, died Beverly, Essex County, Massachusetts, 18 January 1702/3; married (1) Rachel Scruggs, married (2) Judith Finne.
  2. Elizabeth Raymond, presumably born Glastonbury, before say about 1624; immigrated to New England, said to be living there in 1651, unmarried.
  3. William Raymond, presumably born Glastonbury, about 1637, died Beverly, Essex County, Massachusetts, 29 January 1709; married (1) about 1660, Hannah Bishop; married (2) about 1681, Ruth Hull.

George died at St. John's Parish, Glastonbury, between 26 June 1651 (date of will) and 30 October 1651 (date will proved).[11][4][12]

Will

George left a will dated 26 June 1651, proved 30 October 1651.[13][14] It reads,

In the name of God Amen. George Rayment of the parish of Saint Johns in Glaston in the countie of Somersett, being sicke of body but of perfect minde and memory, thank my God, doe heare make my last Will and testament in manner and forme as followeth.

Imprimis: I commend and bequeath my soule unto Almighty God, my Creator, by whose mercie through the meritt of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, I hope to enjoy the possession of everlasting life. And my body to be buried in the parish churchyard of St.Johns in Glaston aforementioned.

Item: I give and bequeath to Dorothy Robyns, my daughter, and her childe, forty shillings and all the goods that I have in the house that I lived in, in the churchyard of Saint Johns aforesaid.

I give to said daughter Dorothy Robins, and my best breeches and jackett and my best shoes to my daughter Dorothie's husband of Streete.

Item: I give and bequeath to William Rayment, my sonne, that is in new England six pounds to be paid, if ever he doth come to Glaston to demand itt.

Item: I give and bequeath to Elizabeth Rayment, my daughter, that is in New England, twenty shillings, to be paid if ever she doth come to Glaston to demand itt.

Item: I give and bequeath to John Seemer, the sonne of William Seemer, twenty shillings.

Item: I give and bequeath to Lucie Seemer, the daughter of William Seemer of the said Glaston, twenty shillings.

Item: Twenty shillings I give to discharge my funeral expenses.

Item: All the rest of my goods chattles, bills, bonds and creditts, ungiven and undisposed, I give to Maurice Rayment, my sonne, whom I make my whole and sole Executor of this my last Will and testament, and to pay all my debts and legaties and funerall expences; and I doe appoynte for the overseer of this my last Will performed William Seemer and William Billocks.

In witnesses whereof I have putt my hand and seale the six and twentieth day of June Anno Domini on thousand six hundred fiftie one.

Item: I give to John Rayment, my sonne, that is in New England one shillinge.

George Rayment (mark)
Witnesses:
William Seamer
William Zealot (mark)
George Rosier (mark)

Research Notes

See also Rayment-Raymond Charlton Mackrell Records.
See also Rayment-Raymond Glastonbury Records. (WIP)

Raymond-Shell marriage. This George Raymond-4832 (son of Robert Raymond-4831) has been detached a number of times from Mary Shell who is supposed to have married a George Raymond (son of George Raymond).

Not the family of Essex or Ipswich. This Raymond or Rayment family of Glastonbury, Somerset, England should not be confused with Raymond families in Essex or Ipswich, Suffolk, England.

Sons as immigrant brothers. His sons, William and John Raymond of Salem and Beverly, were shown to be immigrant brothers in Essex County (Mass.) Deeds, 17:24. [15]

LNAB. A researcher asked me to change his surname from RAYMOND to RAYMENT, citing this quote ... :"Raymond Genealogy" v2 p1 chapter#1 Generation#1; Text: "The family name of Rayment was changed to Raymond soon after arriving in America"

However I find this quote is in error as his grandfather, William Raymond-4821 of England, has a sourced marriage record and sourced Will with his surname as RAYMOND. Therefore I am leaving his surname as RAYMOND with an alternate surname of RAYMENT.

Son John. A prior version of this profile reported John Rayment married "before 1652" Margaret, and that he married (2) 1651 to Rachel Scruggs. Further, that he married (3) 1667, Judith Glover, and (4) 26 January 1699 to Deborah Perry.

Notes on the children in Campbell and Ginsburg. This work was printed after 1992, reporting John^1 Rayment was baptized at Compton Dundon. The authors also report a son George Rayment (2), born Compton, died "Bev[erly, Massachusetts] 1703." John^1 Rayment is not shown as born or baptized at Compton Dundon and no son George Rayment is known to have immigrated New England, or to otherwise have died at Beverly. No son George is mentioned in the 1651 will of this George Rayment, his supposed father.

Sources

  1. Geo Raymond 1578 baptism, Somerset Heritage Service; Taunton, Somerset, England; Somerset Parish Records, 1538-1914; Reference Number: D\P\cha.ma/2/1/1 in "Somerset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1531-1812"; digital images by subscription, Ancestry.com (filmed image 44 of 45).
  2. Georgius Raymonnd 1578 baptism, Somerset Heritage Service; Taunton, Somerset, England; Somerset Parish Records, 1538-1914; Reference Number: D\P\cha.ma/2/1/1 in "Somerset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1531-1812"; digital images by subscription, Ancestry.com (filmed image 2 of 45).
  3. Reporting his baptism "20-1-1578," Joanalice (Raymond) Campbell and Lorraine (Raymond) Ginsburg, Raymond Genealogy Researched Back to the Mayflower Pilgrims (Decorah, Iowa, The Anundsen Publishing Company, printers, [after 1992]), pp. 117-118; digital images via FamilySearch Library Catalog, FamilySearch Books.
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 Joanalice (Raymond) Campbell and Lorraine (Raymond) Ginsburg, Raymond Genealogy Researched Back to the Mayflower Pilgrims (Decorah, Iowa, The Anundsen Publishing Company, printers, [after 1992]), pp. 117-118; digital images via FamilySearch Library Catalog, FamilySearch Books.
  5. Citing Alan [sic] Raymond, MSS (October 1965), Appendix C (Mss C 5560), at New England Historic and Genealogical Society, Boston, Samuel Edward Raymond, Descendants of John and William Raymond [FHL Call o. 929.273 R214ra v. 2] vol. 2 of Raymond Genealogy 2 vols. (1972), 2, 2:7 for "George Rayment of Glastonbury was definitely the son of Robert Rayment of Charlton Mackrell."
  6. Walter Goodwin Davis, The Ancestry of Bethia Harris (Portland, Me., The Southworth Press, 1934), 129 (Rayment); digital images, Hathi Trust.
  7. Georgius Rayment 1616/7 baptism, "Baptisms, 1603-1640 ..." in "Parish registers for St. John's Church, Glastonbury, 1603-1901"; digital images, FamilySearch, FHL film 1,526,630 Items 41 - 51 DGS 4,021,891, image 1633 of 2362, citing "Somerset Record Office: D/P/gla.j/2/1/1 to /2/1/16, 2/1/20 and /2/2/1 to /2/2/2."
  8. Georgius Rayment 1617 burial, "Burials, 1603-1620, 1649-1849 ..." in "Parish registers for St. John's Church, Glastonbury, 1603-1901"; digital images, FamilySearch, FHL film 1,526,630 Items 41 - 51 DGS 4,021,891, image 1634 of 2362, citing "Somerset Record Office: D/P/gla.j/2/1/1 to /2/1/16, 2/1/20 and /2/2/1 to /2/2/2."
  9. Jo[h]an[a] Rayment 1618 burial, "Burials, 1603-1620, 1649-1849 ..." in "Parish registers for St. John's Church, Glastonbury, 1603-1901"; digital images, FamilySearch, FHL film 1,526,630 Items 41 - 51 DGS 4,021,891, image 1638 of 2362, citing "Somerset Record Office: D/P/gla.j/2/1/1 to /2/1/16, 2/1/20 and /2/2/1 to /2/2/2."
  10. Morris Rayment 1621 baptism, "Baptisms, 1603-1640 ..." in "Parish registers for St. John's Church, Glastonbury, 1603-1901"; digital images, FamilySearch, FHL film 1,526,630 Items 41 - 51 DGS 4,021,891, image 1642 of 2362), citing "Somerset Record Office: D/P/gla.j/2/1/1 to /2/1/16, /2/1/20 and /2/2/1 to /2/2/2."
  11. Citing "Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 196 Grey," Walter Goodwin Davis, The Ancestry of Bethia Harris (Portland, Me., The Southworth Press, 1934), 129 (Rayment); digital images, Hathi Trust.
  12. Find A Grave: Memorial #101274893 for George Raymond b: Jan 1578; d: 30 Oct 1651; as burial unknown.
  13. George Rayment 1651 will, "Registered will copies, Grey v. 218, folios 156-200" in "England and Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1640-1660"; database and digital images, FamilySearch, FHL film 92182, DGS 8310497, image 366 of 415, cites "original records are held at the National Archives, series PROB 11."
  14. Citing "Grey, 196," Henry F. Waters, "Genealogical Gleanings in England," New England Historical and Genealogical Register, 49 (1895):136 (George Rayment will); digital images, Hathi Trust.
  15. John Rayment to Jonathan Rayment, 1704 deed, "Massachusetts Land Records, 1620-1986"; images, FamilySearch (image 279 of 646), recorded 9 October 1704, otherwise Essex County Deeds 17:24; property is bounded in part by "land which I Sold to my uncle Capt. William Rayment & his son George Rayment," and in part by "the land which I Sold to my Brother Thomas Rayment," and that of "my Son Samuel Rayment."
See also--
  • Charla Woodbury, James Hamlin and Gene Preston, "Identifying Judith Finne and the Early Family of William2 (William1) Woodbury of Stepney, Middlesex, England, and Beverly, Massachusetts," The New England Historical and Genealogical Register, 176 (2022):138-148; digital image by subscription, via pdf download, AmericanAncestors.
  • John Marshall Raymond, "Notes on Raymond, Abbot, Jackson and Allied Families" ([Palo Alto? Calif., Raymond, 1962], 2; digital images, Hathi Trust; see also page 18 for George Raymond, #512.
  • "Ancestry of George Raymond of Glastonbury, County Somerset, England" by John Marshall Raymond in 1982; AGRG, contains corrections of data from RAJAF; p2 for parentage; p9 pedigree chart; res: Glastonbury, Somerset, England; p1 foreward Text: "It is now accepted that John and William Raymond, the sons of George of Glastonbury, were the John and William of Salem and Beverly", Massachusetts (various citations follow)
  • "Ancestral File" on FamilySearch database compiled by Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:1:9HPW-399 : accessed 06 Jun 2019), entry for George RAYMOND (RAYMENT), IV (FV57-5K); submitted by jecox4139909




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Affidavit of Anan Raymond, Mss C 5560 (7 October 1965); R. Standon Avery Special Collections, New England Historic Genealogical Society. Citing the research of Carl F. Hamilton, archivist and regional historian at Somerton, but now at Wells, and more specifically, "C/M Manorial Court Roll 1626."

1626, "George Raymond, whose age is estimated at 50 on the record, is given as "lyveth in Ireland and his wife lyveth in Glastonbury ..."

A few other details are provided, but this record may offer insight into the extended gap in births of George Raymond's known children.

posted by GeneJ X
This is a proposal to include William Rayment, born about 1637, in the list of George's children for whom a mother is not identified.

It does not make sense to have William, born later, attached to a mother who has been detached from John, born about 1622.

Are there objections to this change? --Gene

P.S. Collaborators have yet to provide any historical support showing that George was ever married to a wife "Abigail Morris or Maurice," or "_____ Morris" or "_____ Maurice," or even "Abigail _____."

posted by GeneJ X
your proposal is okay with me.
posted by N Gauthier
I agree completely and welcome the changes.
A review of the 3 April 1618 burial entry for George's wife does not support the given name Joan.[1]

It might be "Johana," but input is welcome.

If you are able to access Family Search restricted records, the link included below will take you to catalog page for the film, select "Baptisms, 1604-1640 ...," then jump to image 1638.


[1] Jo[h]an[a] Rayment 1618 burial, "Parish registers for St. John's Church, Glastonbury, 1603-1901" digital images, FamilySearch (Baptisms, 1603-1640 ..., FHL film 1,526,630 Items 41 - 51 DGS 4,021,891, image 1638 of 2362).

posted by GeneJ X
edited by GeneJ X
The C. of E.'s parish registers were in Latin until ca. 1750, so Johana fits Joan.
posted by Charles Clark
Posted the following to the profile of William Raymond. Cross posting here.

If no one is able to reference a historical record, I propose his date of birth be changed to "about 1637."

We know otherwise that he was born "about 1637" (he was age 60 in 1697 and said 72 when he died in 1709). See Walter Goodwin Davis, The Ancestry of Bethia Harris, 131, and Mary Walton Ferris, Dawes Gates, 2:703.

While that more specific date appears on both FindAGrave memorial 101273902 and FamilySearch FamilyTree PID LTD4-6Z2 (references FindAGrave), I am struggling to find a historical record to back it up.

According to George Lansing Raymond (1918), "All the [St. John's] records are missing between about 1621 and 1653." [1] Following in the footsteps of another WikiTree-er, I have begun to examine the St. John's Glastonbury parish records (FHL film 1,526,630, Items 41 - 51, DGS 4,021,891) and find George Lansing Raymond's statement to be mostly true.

---

[1] George Lansing Raymond, "English Ancestors of John and William Raymond of Beverly, Mass.," Americana (American Historical Magazine), 12 (1918): 343-351; digital images, Internet Archive.

posted by GeneJ X
edited by GeneJ X
This is a proposal to update the narrative to show that John Rayment was born about 1622, and that his sister, Elizabeth, was born after say about 1623. They would be associated as the children George Rayment, without naming a mother.

John Rayment.

Narrative reports son John Rayment was born c1617, further that he is the son of Joan (buried 1618). This report is presumably based on a baptismal record dated 3 March 1615/6 at St. John's, Glastonbury. This baptismal record is often associated with the immigrant, John^1 Rayment.

An examination of the 1615/6 parish register entry indicates the child's gender is female ("fila"), the parent's name is unlikely George; the surname is unlikely Raymond/Rayment. See St. John's 1615/6 parish register snippet.

John^1 Rayment's birth date on WikiTree was recently updated to "about 1622" based on three depositions he gave at Massachusetts Bay. in June 1660, he was about age 38;[1] in September 1680, he was about age 60;[2] in June 1682, he was about age 60.

John's profile reports he is the son of George, but it does not associate him with a mother.

Elizabeth Rayment.

A profile was created recently for Elizabeth Rayment. Based on her father's 1651 will, she was then at New England and presumably unmarried. No records of Elizabeth's baptism has been located.

Her WikiTree birth is "after say about 1624"; she is the daughter of George. No mother is associated with Elizabeth.


[1] George Francis Dow, Records and Files of the Quarterly Courts of Essex County, Massachusetts, 9 vols. (Salem, Mass.: Essex Institute, 1911–1989), 2 (1656-1662):219-20 (Herrick presentment); digital images, Hathi Trust; court held at Salem, 26 June 1660.

[2] George Francis Dow, Records and Files of the Quarterly Courts of Essex County, Massachusetts, 9 vols. (Salem, Mass. : Essex institute, 1911-1975), 8:7 (Dodge v Bach); digital images, Hathi Trust ; court held at Ipswich, 28 September 1680.</ref>

[3] George Francis Dow, Records and Files of the Quarterly Courts of Essex County, Massachusetts, 9 vols. (Salem, Mass.: Essex Institute, 1911–1989), 8 (1680-1683):323 (Balch v Dodge); digital images, Hathi Trust; court held at Salem, 27 June 1682.

posted by GeneJ X
edited by GeneJ X
I am agreeable to this proposal.
posted by N Gauthier
Are there ANY historical records reporting George had a wife named Abigail Maurice or Abigail Morris, or Abigail _____, or _____ Maurice or Morris?

If not, why would her name not be given as Unknown Unknown? --Gene

posted by GeneJ X
I believe there is no record of the name of George ’Rayment’s second wife. Abigail was suggested because sons of George William and John Raymond/Rayment each named a daughterAbigail. M orris is mere conjecture, posited in 1918 because the given name Morris/Maurice wasn’t found in this family's male line. The second wife’s name should be changed to unknown in the absence of any reliable source.
posted by Charles Clark
On the profile for Abigail there is a baptism source. I have never been to England, so can someone with more familiarity with these records please review it and share the details with us ? Does the source show the name of Abigail with a maiden or married surname ? Thanks
posted by N Gauthier
The notation about George's burial "October 1651 at St. Johns Parish, Glastonbury, Somerset, England," was recently removed, saying "this grave belongs to a different man, the husband of Mary Shell."

This change has been reverted.

WikiTree reports Mary Shell's husband, George Raymond (son of George) died about 1632 at Ipswich, Suffolk, England. He would not have been buried 1651 at St. John's, Glastonbury, Somerset.

posted by GeneJ X
edited by GeneJ X
Currently the fourth reference note reads, ""Raymond Genealogy" v2 Descendants of John and William Raymond" by Samuel Edward Raymond in 1972; call#929.273, R214ra; citing Alan Raymond, MSS (October 1965), Appendix C, filed at New England Historical and Genealogical Library of Boston, MA; chapter#2 English Ancestry; p7 Text: "George Rayment of Glastonbury was definitely the son of Robert Rayment of Charlton Mackrell"

Have searched both the NEHGS Library Catalog and Digital Library & Archives for "Alan Raymond" with no luck.

There is a catalog entry for author "Anan Raymond," titled "Affidavit of Anan Raymond," dated 1965, Mss C 5560. Description is "Typescript affidavit concerning research on Raymond ancestry in England."

I am guessing this might be the same material?

posted by GeneJ X
edited by GeneJ X
What is the source for son John,

"John Raymond, b: c1617; d: 18 Jan 1703 Beverly, Massachusetts; m1: bef.1652 Margaret ???; m2: 1651 Rachel Scruggs; m3: 1667 Judith Glover; m4: 26 Jan 1699 Debora Perry"

posted by GeneJ X
Apparently you created John back in 2013 and someone else added his father back in 2017. I joined wikitree after that in 2018 and adopted this profile which cites his Will ... "Item: I give to John Rayment, my sonne, that is in New England, one shillinge."

The profiles also cites ..."Ancestry of George Raymond of Glastonbury, County Somerset, England" by John Marshall Raymond in 1982; AGRG, contains corrections of data from RAJAF; p2 for parentage; p9 pedigree chart; res: Glastonbury, Somerset, England; p1 foreward Text: "It is now accepted that John and William Raymond, the sons of George of Glastonbury, were the John and William of Salem and Beverly", Massachusetts (various citations follow).

posted by N Gauthier
Thank you, N., for supporting WikiTree, and for your work on the Raymond families.

I see "AGRG"; RAJAF must be Notes on Raymond, Abbot and Jackson and allied families. WorldCat suggests Heritage Quest has Corrections and additions to Raymond, Abbot, Jackson and allied families.

At least I don't think I have access to John Marshall Raymond "Ancestry of George Raymond of Glastonbury, County Somerset, England" (1982). Ditto, source given as "Raymond Genealogy" v2 Descendants of John and William Raymond" by Samuel Edward Raymond in 1972."

In the mean time, the well-documented work by Mary Walton Ferris (Dawes-Gates, 1931) should serve as a good guide.

As to the four marriages, John's marriage to Rachel Scruggs and Judith (____) Woodbury (not Judith Glover, daughter of Jose) are well documented. It is quite possible John had an earlier wife, but less so that this was the "Margaret Raymond" buried 28 May 1639 at Glastonbury. As to the fourth wife, well ... Judith died in 1702, only shortly before John, she was likely his last wife.

Separately, might you have the reference for a contemporaneous, historical record supporting the claim that John^1 was born (probably baptized) St Johns, [Glastonbury] ... 3 March 1616?

Thank you again for supporting WikiTree.--Gene

posted by GeneJ X
edited by GeneJ X
This weekend I am bury working on the source-a-thon.

Here are some links I quickly found for you to check out ...

  • "Raymond, Abbot, Jackson and Allied Families" by John Marshall Raymond in 1962 ...

http://www.seekingmyroots.com/members/files/G005655.pdf

  • "Notes on Raymond, Abbot, Jackson and allied families" on archive.org ...

https://archive.org/stream/notesonraymondab00raym/notesonraymondab00raym_djvu.txt

describes the searchable database that includes all those named in some of his RAYMOND works.

quote> I don't think I have access to John Marshall Raymond

check these for "Ancestry of George Raymond of Glastonbury, County Somerset, England" by John Marshall Raymond in 1982

- http://isaacdoherty.xyz/author/john-marshall-raymond

- https://hojeqyhawi.iformatsbook.icu/the-ancestry-of-george-raymond-of-glastonbury-county-somerset-england-book-7001dq.php

- https://read-download-books.com/v6/preview/?pid=6&offer_id=515&ref_id=9c297f8acdc2ae8e985t0fh0BipTn3Go_e6cef1e4_c28f910b&sub1=e6cef1e4&keyword=The_Ancestry_Of_George_Raymond_Of_Glastonbury,_County_Somerset,_England_-_John_Marshall_Raymond.pdf&sub8=The_Ancestry_Of_George_Raymond_Of_Glastonbury,_County_Somerset,_England_-_John_Marshall_Raymond.pdf&m=The_Ancestry_Of_George_Raymond_Of_Glastonbury,_County_Somerset,_England_-_John_Marshall_Raymond.pdf - https://read-download-books.com/ebook.html?pid=6&offer_id=515&ref_id=9c297f8acdc2ae8e985t0fh0BipTn3Go_e6cef1e4_3f0e4cf5&sub1=e6cef1e4&keyword=The%20Ancestry%20Of%20George%20Raymond%20Of%20Glastonbury,%20County%20Somerset,%20England%20-%20John%20Marshall%20Raymond&sub8=The%20Ancestry%20Of%20George%20Raymond%20Of%20Glastonbury,%20County%20Somerset,%20England%20-%20John%20Marshall%20Raymond&m=The%20Ancestry%20Of%20George%20Raymond%20Of%20Glastonbury,%20County%20Somerset,%20England%20-%20John%20Marshall%20Raymond

posted by N Gauthier
Thank you for supporting and hoping you did well on the source-a-thon.

The "read-download," Isaacdoherty and hojegyhawl.iformatsbook" links apparently don't like my mac, but am still work on accessing this material.

I'm working on access to "Parish Registers for St. John's Church, Glastonbury, 1603-1901, Church of England, St. John's Church (Glastonbury, Somersetshire), FHL film 1526630."

Have the Charlton Mackrell registers been filmed by the good folks at FamilySearch?

Separately, have secured access to Raymond Genealogy Researched Back to the Mayflower Pilgrams.

Edited to add: FamilySearch catalog has an entry for Samuel Edward Raymond's work. Seems only part of the work (vol 1, pt 4) has been digitized, but it is not viewable online.

posted by GeneJ X
edited by GeneJ X
Sources for John:

Birth: about 1615 – “Raymond Genealogy Researched Back to the Mayflower Pilgrams” by Jonalee (Raymond) Campbell and Lorraine (Raymond) Campbell, p. 118. (Listed as a child by wife #1) 3 March 1616 – Mother listed as Mary Shell born 26 April 1593 at Glastonbury, Mendix District, Somerset, England - https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/60336123/john-rayment and https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/101274992/mary-raymond

Death: Died 18 Jan 1703 – “Raymond Genealogy Researched Back to the Mayflower Pilgrams, p. 118 and https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/60336123/john-rayment

Marriage to Rachel Scruggs: 20 August 1650 at Salem. “Raymond Genealogy Researched Back to the Mayflower Pilgrams, p. 118

Marriage to Judith: Married in Beverly in 1688, wid Judith (_______)Woodbury (b 1627, d Bev 31-10-1702) w/o William Woodbury (bp Eng 7-5-16220 – d 1667) arr 1628

Debora Perry I do not believe he married Debora Perry. I have Deborah Perry married to John Rayment born 24 Nov 1677. He was the son of John Raymond and Martha Woodin.

"Massachusetts Marriages, 1695-1910," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FH5X-89R : accessed 2 November 2015), John Rayment and Deborah Perry, 26 Jan 1699; citing reference p 97; FHL microfilm 760,604.

"Massachusetts, Town Clerk, Vital and Town Records, 1626-2001," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FH5X-89R : 13 July 2016), John Rayment and Deborah Perry, 26 Jan 1699; citing Marriage, Beverly, Essex, Massachusetts, United States, , town clerk offices, Massachusetts; FHL microfilm 760,604.

Thank you, Sally ... and hi there!

As to his birth, I take it we haven't yet seen the actual parish records or Bishop's Transcripts, or have, for example, the reference to a film/image number.

As far as I can tell, the Rayment-Scruggs "August 20" marriage date is devised, less so as to the day and month, but more so as to the year. I wrote about the apparent record issues here, "Rayment Marriage."

At least back in 2014, by the known records, it couldn't be shown that John^2 (ie., John, Jr.) was Rachel's son. See G2G, "A Rayment-Scruggs timeline conundrum."

John and Judith's deaths were recorded in the Beverly vital records.

I'm working on a free space page to detail the Massachusetts records about John--town, court, land, vital and church.

TYTY, again.--Gene

P.S. William^2 Woodbury (William^1) didn't arrive 1628. Anderson places his father's arrival at 1636.

posted by GeneJ X
edited by GeneJ X
Rayment-77 and Raymond-4832 appear to represent the same person because: dups with same father and same 2 wives
posted by N Gauthier
Mary (Shell) Raymond (1593-abt.1638) was recently added as the spouse of George Raymond without collaboration, without adding reliable sources and related analysis.

She has been removed as his spouse at least twice. Lacking reliable sources and related analysis, her relationship should again be severed, but this time with comments in a new "disputed associations" section and perhaps some extended comments in research notes.

There are at least a couple of G2G questions that are directly related to this association.

If there are no objections, I am happy to take a stab at this work --Gene

See separately--

posted on Rayment-77 (merged) by GeneJ X
I think it is great you will attend to find out more about Mary Shell.

When I first started many years ago doing genealogy, the IGI from family search gave a marriage date of 11 January 1614 in Glaston, Somerset, England, for George and Mary. No other source was given.

Yes Gene please do research her !
posted by N Gauthier
Mary Shell is reported the daughter of Leonard Shell (1557-).

Might anyone have checked for a will that might mention something more about her?

posted by GeneJ X
edited by GeneJ X
Consolidating the duplicate citations. :)
posted on Rayment-77 (merged) by Ellen Altenburg
edited by Ellen Altenburg
Raymond-1337 and Rayment-77 do not represent the same person because: different places; different wives.
posted on Rayment-77 (merged) by Kenneth Kinman
Raymond-1338 and Rayment-77 do not represent the same person because: Different places, different dates.
posted on Rayment-77 (merged) by Kenneth Kinman
I believe they are the same individual. He was married to both ladies. However, I do not want to merge them as I believe stongly that the parents are Robert Rayment and Joanne Crocker and do not want to merge the wrongparents. I also have Rayment-77.
posted on Rayment-77 (merged) by Sally (Britton) Shreeve
Raymond-1337 and Rayment-77 appear to represent the same person because: Clear duplicates. The name was originally Rayment and changed to Raymond. This is reflected in the profile of Rayment-77
posted on Rayment-77 (merged) by Laura DeSpain
I believe they are the same individual. He was married to both ladies. However, I do not want to merge them as I believe stongly that the parents are Robert Rayment and Joanne Crocker and do not want to merge the wrongparents. I have Rayment-77.
posted on Rayment-77 (merged) by Sally (Britton) Shreeve
Raymond-1338 and Rayment-77 appear to represent the same person because: Clear duplicates. The name was originally Rayment and changed to Raymond. This is reflected in the profile of Rayment-77
posted on Rayment-77 (merged) by Laura DeSpain
This profile appears to be the same as Rayment-77. Same parents and child and dates.
posted on Rayment-77 (merged) by Vickie Weber

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