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Reginar (Reginar) of Hainaut (abt. 850 - abt. 916)

Reginar (Reginar I) "Longneck" of Hainaut formerly Reginar aka de Lorraine
Born about [location unknown]
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Son of [uncertain] and [uncertain]
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Husband of — married 0885 (to 0885) in 1st wifemap
Husband of — married 0900 in 2nd wifemap
Descendants descendants
Died about at about age 66 in Meerssen, Limburg, Netherlandsmap
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Biography

European Aristocracy
Reginar I Reginar was a member of the aristocracy in Europe.

Reginar I "Longneck", or "Langhals" in Dutch, was the founder of the the dynasty referred to today as the House of Reginar.[1] He died 25 Aug 915 /19 Jan 916 at Meerssen, near Maastricht. Broadly speaking, his area of activity was similar to modern Belgium.

His name is spelled in many ways such as Ranier, Regnier, Reinier, Raginar etc.

According to Stewart Baldwin (of the Henry project[2]) his nickname of Langhals may actually have originally been his grandson's nickname.

As was typical in these generations, he was described as a Count, Margrave, or even Duke without any specific region being part of this title.

  • Modern researchers generally associate him with the Maasgau north of Maastricht, because his probable father is associated with that area. See the father's article.
  • He is also associated with Hainaut, because his main line of descendants became counts of Hainaut at some point, and claimed it as their birthright.
  • He is also sometimes associated with Hesbaye, which lies between those two areas.

In reality, all of these associations are speculative. It is in fact not so clear that noble held territorial jurisdictions in the same way as later medieval nobles did. More clear is that he was Lay Abbot at several of the most important Abbeys in the region: Echternach, 897-915, Stavelot-Malmedy, Saint-Servais, and Saint-Maximin.

Possible parents

Father: Giselbert I, Graf von Maasgau Mother: _____ daughter of the emperor Lothar

Stewart Baldwin notes that the evidence is not very strong, and also that it is notable that Regnier was referred to as "junior" in his position in Echternach, where an older Regnier had held the same position. Perhaps that was his father.

It seems likely in any case that Giselbert was a relative.

Marriage and children

m.1 Hersenda . No known issue, and according to Stewart Baldwin, may not have existed.

m.2 Alberada . The likely mother of two sons, Gislbert and Regnier II.

Stewart Baldwin writes: "Giselbert is directly documented as a son of Alberada, and thus Regnier, evidently younger than Giselbert, was probably by Alberada as well." Apart from Gilbert and Regnier, there was also one known daughter, who married Bérenger, count in pagus Lomacensis. Her name is not known.

Sources

  1. MEDLANDS
  2. https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/data/regin001.htm
  • Geni.
  • Henry project
  • MEDLANDS
  • Wikipedia. Reginar, Duke of Lorraine, c850-915. Husband of Hersinda (or Alberada). Father of Gilbert, Reginar II, Balderic, Frederick and a daughter who married Berenger.
  • Wikipedia. Gilbert (Giselbert), Count of Maasgau. This article refers to Gilbert's father, Giselbert, who served Charles the Baled during the civil war of 840-843, before this Gilbert was born. This article mentions possible children Reginar and Albert, but does not mention Gilbert. It does state that Reginare was born c.850, the same as this Gilbert. So it is possible that Gilbert and Reginar are the same person, especially considering that this original profile (without sources) claims that Gilbert was the founder of the House of Reginar.
  • Rubincam, Milton. The House of Brabant, Ancestry of Philippa of Hainault, Wife of Edward III, The American Genealogist (1949) Vol. 25.
  • Page 224-5: "He died at Meersen, in the Palatinate, between Aug. 25, 915, when he was mentioned in a document, and Jan, 19, 916, when his sons appeared at the imperial convocation held at Herstal.:




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Moselle-30 and Lorraine-3 appear to represent the same person because: These are the same people, even thought Moselle-30 has a different name. Use all the data from Lorraine-3.
posted by Steve Selbrede
I think that this Gilbert is actually Reginar, since they were born in the same year and since there is no (current) evidence that Giselbert had a son named Gilbert. Since Gilbert's profile has no other links, it doesn't matter which person Gilbert is merged into: he will simply disappear. But merging him into Reginar is much easier since none of the parents or siblings need to be dealt with.
posted by Steve Selbrede
From Andrew Lancaster:

"Re Lorraine-3, actually I think his brother Gilbert should be merged with their (possible) father Gilbert. The wife is clearly meant to be the unknown daughter of Lothar, who often gets given such guess names it seems."

posted by Steve Selbrede
It seems more likely that he should be merged with his brother, Gilbert, whose listed wife, Ermentrude, has no sources or other info, and is not a wife of Reginar. So any merge should disconnect Ermentrude as a wife.
posted by Steve Selbrede
It seems more likely that he should be merged with his brother, Reginar. The listed wife, Ermentrude, has no sources or other info, and is not a wife of Reginar. So any merge should disconnect Ermentrude as a wife.
posted by Steve Selbrede
LNAB should be Reginar (dynasty name). Maasgau and Lorraine both very dubious and confusing names.
posted by Andrew Lancaster
Mother's name is unknown, although Wikitree (and other genealogies) does give her a name. We do know who her parents were.
posted by Andrew Lancaster
Maybe should be merged with father? Does not seem to be a real person.
posted by Andrew Lancaster
If the 1st wife died with no issue and the 2nd wife had 3 children, then why isn't Alberada Listed as Reginar's mother? Was he a bastard? If so, then why was he allowed to inherit the Title?

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