Elizabeth Rogers
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Elizabeth Rogers (bef. 1609)

Elizabeth Rogers [uncertain] aka Eddy, Rodway [uncertain]
Born before in Watford, Northamptonshire, Englandmap
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[children unknown]
Died [date unknown] [location unknown]
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Elizabeth Rogers was baptized December 26, 1609 in Watford, Northamptonshire, England.[1][2][3] She stayed behind in Leiden when Thomas and Joseph Rogers came over on the Mayflower. A poll tax in 1622 records the family, including Elizabeth, living in the Over 't Hoff quarter of Leiden.[4]

It is thought that Elizabeth came to the Plymouth Colony with her mother, sister and brother John about 1629 or 30, as Governor Bradford said that "the rest of Thomas Rogers's came over and are married and have many children".[5] However, Bradford failed to name these "others" and there are no records, other than John's, in New England proving who these "others" were. We know that John Rogers came. The possible others besides Alice his wife, were his two daughters Elizabeth and Margaret.

Who did she marry?

Unknown?

Samuel Eddy? "It has been speculated that the daughter Elizabeth came to Plymouth and married Samuel [1] Eddy, since the latter was granted land at Plymouth on 3 June 1662 reserved for “the firstborn children” of the colony or their parents. As Samuel did not in his own right qualify on either count, it is possible that his wife Elizabeth was a daughter of Thomas [1] Rogers,"[6] but there also some points against this determination, mainly that Samuel was the brother-in-law of Thomas Savory.[7]

Robert Rodway? Watford was the parish of Elizabeth's birth. There was a marriage recorded there. "1635 -- Jul Robertus Rodwai and Elizabetha Rogers." [6] Did Elizabeth return to England and marry or is this just a convenient coincidence?

Disputed Relationships

There is no record of the name of the wife of Walter Woodworth and there is do documentation that Elizabeth Rogers, the daughter of Thomas Rogers, was ever married to Walter Woodworth, so he has been removed as her spouse.

Elizabeth Daniel, author of Thomas Rogers, Pilgrim and Some of His Descendants, in 1980 stated, "Whether Thomas Rogers really had a daughter Elizabeth at all is a matter of theory. There are records in Leyden, Holland, that suggest that two daughters lived there with their mother, but there is no absolute proof. Whether one or both of these possible daughters ever came to America, we don't know...” The above-shown baptism and additional sources show that this information is out of date.


Sources

  1. Mayflower Families Through Five Generations, Volume Nineteen: Thomas Rogers, Edition: Ann T. Reeves, Volume: 19, by Alice W.A. Westgate (General Society of Mayflower Descendants, 2000) p. 2.
  2. Northamptonshire Record Office; Northampton, England; Register Type: Parish Registers; Reference Numbers: 343P/1 Watford Parish. Image 9, Accessed at Ancestry ($)
  3. Robert Charles Anderson, Pilgrim Migration: Immigrants to Plymouth Colony 1620-1633 Robert Charles Anderson (New England Historic Genealogical Society, Boston, 2004) Vol. III, p. 1598. "v ELIZABETH, bp. 26 December 1609; living at Leiden in 1622, perhaps came later to New England and married there [TAG 52:110-13; Bradford 446]." p 397. Thomas Rogers entry
  4. The American Genealogist 52:110-13; New England Historical and Genealogical Register 154:432-33.
  5. William Bradford, History of Plymouth Plantation, Now first printed from the original manuscript for The Massachusetts Historical Society, (Boston: LIttle, Brown, and Company, 1856) Apendix, No. I. Passengers of the Mayflower. p. 449. "2. Thomas Rogers, and Joseph, his sone. His other children came afterwards." and p. 453, "6. Thomas Rogers dyed in the first sickness, but his sone Joseph is still living, and is married, and hath 5. children. The rest of Thomas Rogers [children] came over, & are maried, & have many children." [Available on Google Books]
  6. 6.0 6.1 Clifford Stott, "The English Ancestry of the Pilgrim Thomas Rogers and His Wife Alice (Cosford) Rodgers", The Genealogist, Vol. 10, No. 2, 1989. (On line at: Thomas Rogers Society website) Citing Stratton: Plymouth Colony.
  7. Statton, Eugene A. Plymouth Colony: Its History & People (Salt Lake City, Utah, 1986), pp. 287-88. Stratton gives a much more in depth explanation and includes the problems
See also:
  • William Bradford, Of Plymouth Plantation, 1620-1647, ed. Samuel Eliot Morison (New York, 1952) [Edition used in Anderson's The Great Migration Begins, for his page citations.]

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Thank you Bobbie.
posted by Anne B
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posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
FWIW, Robert Rodway is not listed in Susan Hardman Moore's Abandoning America.
posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
My thought is that Elizabeth should be detached from any husbands. Then show full info about the two possible husbands in her bio, and add a new wife Elizabeth to Robt. Rodway with what facts are *known* about his wife and a link on that profile back here. Unless or until her marriage is proven or at least accepted by the Mayflower Society, I don't think a speculative husband is wise on the daughter of a Mayflower passenger. The most recent info I find is what's in the 2000 Silver book on Rogers, which states:
Eugene Stratton speculates in Plymouth Colony, Its History & People, 1620-1691, p. 288, that she might be the Elizabeth, wife of Samuel Eddy.

There is no mention of being the wife, speculative or not, of Robert Rodman. Just my 2¢. Is there any scholarly Rodway source? I see Stott's speculation, is there more?

posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
I agree, Anne. Elizabeth as Samuel Eddy's wife seems somewhat unlikely. As is shown on his profile (and in GMB 616) his wife is just as likely to be Elizabeth Savory, and with more justification. As for being Rodway's wife, I would think there'd be more evidence, such as a listing in Susan Hardman Moore's Abandoning America, which unfortunately I don't have.
posted by Bobbie (Madison) Hall
The article and information from Watford is here

I think all the speculation is because there are no records, to prove anything. The marriage to Rodway is based on the fact that there is a record for a marriage between two people of the name in a good timeframe. The marriage to Eddy is based on the fact he married an Elizabeth ___ and was granted land at Plymouth on 3 June 1662 reserved for “the firstborn children” of the colony or their parents.

posted by Anne B
The marriage and the place and date of death are connected. If she married Eddy, then she died where and when Eddy died. It is a question of where she spent most of her life. I don't have the research on Watford, so I don't know why the return to Watford was thought plausible. Also related is the claim by some that Alice and Margaret died in Leiden (based on what sources?). If so Bradford would have to be taken as including John and Elizabeth in "the rest of Thomas Rogers's", which is the more plausible reading anyway.
posted by Timothy Wilder
I believe that since there are two very possible marriages for Elizabeth, that neither of the husbands should be connected. They should both be linked in the bio. Thoughts?
posted by Anne B
Except for her place and date of birth, this Elizabeth seems to be entirely associated with the Stratford Rogers family. It is easiest to change the birth info and keep her with the Stratford family.
posted on Rogers-2035 (merged) by Timothy Wilder
Profile managers and members of the trusted list,

The Mayflower project will be updating project profiles for descendants of Thomas Rogers. We will be utilizing the Mayflower Project Google Group. Would you like to be involved in the update process? If so send me a private message and I will send you an invitation to the Mayflower Google Group. Thank you.

Anne B, Leader Mayflower Project.

posted by Anne B
Uploaded her July 1635 marriage in Watford
posted by Beryl Meehan
This Elizabeth Rogers seems to be the same as Rogers-14 only here has the wrong Thomas Rogers as father. Elizabeth probably came to America. Some speculate that she married Samuel Eddy, but here marriage, and location and place of death is speculative.
posted on Rogers-2035 (merged) by Timothy Wilder

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