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John Rogers (1485)

John Rogers aka Rogers of Deritend
Born in Deritend, Aston, Warwickshire, Englandmap
Son of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
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Husband of — married 1500 in Deritend, Warwickshire, Englandmap
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Died [date unknown] [location unknown]
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Disputed Parents

It has been mistakenly claimed that John Rogers was the son of Thomas Rogers and Catherine Courtenay of Bradford on Avon, Wiltshire. This appears to have been a different John Rogers who married Eleanora Coppinger, but the genealogy of this family has been muddied by groundless suppositions on the internet. The parentage of John Rogers of Deritend, father of the martyr Rev. John Rogers, is unknown.

Biography

John Rogers, father of the martyr Rev. John Rogers, was a lorimer (a maker of spurs and bits for horses and small metal objects for bridles) of Deritend, Warwickshire. His wife was Margery Wyatt, "whose family were tanners in Deritend at this period."[1]

"The mother of [Rev.] John Rogers was Margaret Wyatt, the daughter of a very prominent Deritend tanner. The marriage with John Rogers, the Deritend lorimer, took place considerably before 1511. In the register of the Gild of Knowle it is shown that John and Margaret Rogers became members in that year. Of their five children, one (Edward) was born after 1515...."[2]

In 1519 "'John Rogers, of Deret End, lorymer,' had taken a lease for 60 years from 'Edward Byrmyngeham, Essquier, lord of Byrmyngeham, of a cottage in Deritend, opposite the house or hall of the Gild, and near to the modern River Street."[2]

"At his death, about Christmas, 1540, Rogers left to his wife, Margaret, the lease of the house in which he dwelt, held under Thomas Greves of King's Norton; the other property passing by his will was considerable. His son, John Rogers, 'priest,' he appointed overseer if he returned home."[3]

The 1540 will of John Rogers is quoted in its entirety in The book makers of old Birmingham, pp. 109-110.

Research Notes

Birth and Marriage Dates

John’s son the martyr John Rogers was probably born in about 1500 - see his profile - so John was likely to have been born no later than 1485 and married no later than 1500.

Sources

  1. Robert K. Dent, "John Rogers of Deritend, Scholar and Martyr," in Transactions of the Birmingham and Warwickshire Archaeological Society, Vol. 21, 1895, pp. 2-3, Google Books
  2. 2.0 2.1 Joseph Hill, The book makers of old Birmingham: authors, printers, and book sellers (1907), p. 5.
  3. Joseph Hill, The book makers of old Birmingham: authors, printers, and book sellers (1907), p. 6.

Acknowledgments

This profile derives from

  • a profile started by Andrew Morrow
  • the import of the following GEDCOMs:
    • 124-DeCoursey.ged on 14 September 2010
    • mike_walton_2011.ged on Aug 20, 2011 by Mike Walton
    • DR fam 9.ged on 14 September 2010. The following data was included in the gedcom. You may wish to edit it for readability.
    • Paula's family 5-28-2011.GED on May 29, 2011 by Paula Marksman
    • Bishop Family Tree.ged on 18 February 2011
    • DeRiemaecker Family Tree.ged on Aug 3, 2011 by Amanda Smith
    • HOWE(1).ged on 08 April 2011




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Wrong dress for the period. So please don't add it.

The man in the portrait is more likely to be his son, the martyr, but painted long after his death.

The father was a maker of bridles in a small town in Warwickshire; there is no chance he would have had a portrait painted.

posted by Stephen Trueblood
edited by Stephen Trueblood
I think this is meant to be a portrait of his son, the martyr. It was an 1805 copy of an original painted no earlier than 1759 and there is a very interesting discussion of its provenance here - https://www.johnrogerssociety.org/biography.html
posted by Lynn Drasdo
edited by Lynn Drasdo
Hi Project Managers, the England Project would like to take on management of this profile. See https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Help:Project_Protecting_and_Merging for more information. I am adding the England project box today and will send you a trusted list request to add me to the trusted list for the profile. Please contact me if you would like to discuss. Regards, Gillian, Leader, England Project.
posted by Gillian Thomas
If nobody objects, I will change the name to simply John, and detach his parents. John Rogers was a lorimer of Deritend; there is no reason to suppose a noble ancestry. See "The Bookmakers of Old Birmingham," page 5, at https://books.google.com/books?id=MmEbAQAAMAAJ&q=john+rogers#v=snippet&q=john%20rogers&f=false

And the 1540/1 will of John Rogers is reproduced on pp. 109-110 of the same source, with a statement about his ancestry.

posted by [Living Schmeeckle]
Is there really any evidence that John Rogers of Deritend was descendede from the Benham Valence and/or Bradford-on-Avon families? I'm aware that's what John Cox Underwood says in Lineage of the Rogers Family (New York, 1911), but he provides no evidence in support, and there are no meaningful citations on this profile.

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