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Margaret Runciman (1762)

Margaret Runciman
Born in North Berwick Parish, Haddingtonshire, Scotlandmap
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[spouse(s) unknown]
[children unknown]
Died [date unknown] [location unknown]
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Profile last modified | Created 30 Aug 2013
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Contents

Biography

Note

The Aug 1762 birth date assumes correct id of Margaret's parents.
John and Elizabeth are the only couple baptising a Margaret in the correct timeframe and place.[1]
It would be good to confirm Margaret's parents/ancestry and the tentative links to earlier generations of Runcimans.[1]

Name

Name: Margaret /Runciman/ [2]

Birth

Margaret was born 18 August and baptized before the congregation on 22 August 1762 in the Church of Scotland Parish of North Berwick[3]. She was a "lawful daughter" of John Runciman and Elizabeth Punton.

Marriage

Whether Margaret married is the subject of unresolved research. She was one of two possible ‘candidates’ to have married Richard Whitecross. Refer to Richard wife’s profile for further detail.

Death & Burial

An entry in parish burial records has not been found. The source for the death information previously appearing in this profile (and the provider of it) is unknown. The information provided was 6 March 1793 in Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. As the source is unknown and the facts have not been substantiated by OPR , or other, records the data has been removed from the profile template.

Research notes

Which Margaret married Richard Whitecross?

This Margaret, daughter of John Runciman and Elizabeth Punton is no longer considered to be the Margaret marrying Richard Whitecross.
Primarily because the burial of the latter has been found and the age of the latter Margaret makes her born rather earlier, possibly fitting into the family of William Runciman and Elizabeth Jamieson.

Sources

  1. 1.0 1.1 RUNCIMAN One Name Study and Analyses, Author: Lorna Henderson
  2. Birth/Bap.? 22 Aug 1762 Margaret d/o John RUNCIMAN & Elizabeth PUNTON, Nth Berwick, ELN 713/ 0030 0213, extracted from OPR index for North Berwick, SCT, RUNCIMAN Births 1538-1854 , Scotlands People (http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/)
  3. Church of Scotland: Old Parish Registers - Births and baptisms database, National Records of Scotland, ScotlandsPeople (https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/: accessed 29 May 2021), Margaret Runciman, 22 August 1762, North Berwick; citing Parish Number 713, Reference Number: 30 213

Acknowledgments

Thank you to Alan Runciman for creating WikiTree profile Runciman-643 through the import of RUNCIMANAlansPaternal4WikiTreeAug2013.ged on Aug 29, 2013. Click to the Changes page for the details of edits by Alan and others. And to Kimberley for creating Runciman-914 and proposing the merge.





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Runciman-1094 and Runciman-643 are not ready to be merged because: Is she really the same woman. Need proof of her marriage
posted by Maggie N.
Runciman-643 has a marriage section, noting that she may / may not have married, so that indicates that these profiles are intended to be the same person. Unlinking the spouse because the marriage is suspect is a different issue that can be discussed in the biography
A growing number of DNA matches between descendants of Richard Whitecross / Margaret Runciman and descendants of William Runciman (aka William of Crail), together with her age at burial make it increasingly likely that the Margaret married to Richard Whitecross is the daughter of William of Crail and Elizabeth jamieson, not the one baptized to John Runciman and Elizabeth Punton.

For those DNA matches where we have segment data, the matches can be "walked" quite a way back up the generations towards Margaret, although not yet conclusively - which proof would be a bit of a miracle given how far back the common ancestors are. We encourage all Runciman descendants to who have DNA tested to upload their autosomal DNA files to both GEDmatch and the FamiliyTreeDNA Runicman project. We would love to hear from any descendants of these two families in particular.

posted by Lorna Henderson
Runciman-1094 and Runciman-643 appear to represent the same person because: similar dates, same spouse,
Thanks. I recognise it’s probably not ever going to be clear, but I thought the church death record pointed it to Crail line. Agree the name pattern creates a puzzle. I see two generations down a grandson John Runciman Whitecross marries a Crail line Runciman. Rare to see a line cross-over?
posted by Alan Runciman Jr
Alan,

will take another look. I'd expect parents to be Peer and Janet, in a perfect world :). No idea where the 1791 dth date came from, its not sourced and not from my db. Agree there are several other children than those entered on WT http://runciman.lornahen.com/lineages/p68459.htm All such names are on high repeat !

posted by Lorna Henderson
Lorna- Given what we know now I suggest 'orphan' Margaret is a stronger candidate as spouse for Richard. Originally she wouldn't be considered because her baptism was not local but we know that the orphans ended up back living in NB area. The church records state on Margaret's death 'relict of Richard Whitecross. 78 years, died.' This is a better match age-wise as 'Orphan M' was born in 1755. Margaret Runsyman

LATER EDIT: Plus, I've just noticed that DoD on this Margaret is stated as 1791. N/B Church entry attributes the Margaret died/buried July 11th 1831 as 'relict of Richard Whitecross'. In addition to James and Peter there are more children of the couple baptised in N/B OPRs : Janet (1782), Margaret (1784) William (1790) and Elisabeth (1795), all of which are orphan Margaret's family names.

posted by Alan Runciman Jr
Thank you Kimberley.

Not that I have any serious doubts that the Margaret RUNCIMAN married to Richard WHITECROSS is the one baptised to John and Elizabeth, do you have any hard proof? Lack of concrete evidence is why we didn't upload the connection to John and Elizabeth at the time Margaret was loaded into WikiTree.

posted by Lorna Henderson
Runciman-914 and Runciman-643 appear to represent the same person because: From what I was able to tell it appears we share this family member.
posted by Anonymous Morgan

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